Worldwide flood myths and Noah's Flood

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Josh | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Apr 18 2014 11:48 AM

Does anyone know a good resource that discusses in detail how the various flood myths found throughout the world relate to the Biblical Flood story?

This looks promising: http://www.amazon.com/Flood-Legends-Charles-Martin/dp/0890515530/

I, also, notice that this was in pre-pub: https://www.logos.com/product/40895/noah-the-real-story

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 1:25 PM

If you're looking for primary sources, James Pritchard's Ancient Near Eastern Texts (ANET), a standard resource in ANE studies, includes English translations of some other flood narratives in the Akkadian Creation Epic, the Babylonian Atrahasis, etc. It doesn't have much in the way of discussion about the texts or how they compare to the Biblical story, though.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 1:44 PM

http://nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html  includes bibliography
Dundes, Alan (ed.) The Flood Myth, University of California Press, Berkeley, 1988

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 1:49 PM

MJ. Smith:

http://nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html  includes bibliography
Dundes, Alan (ed.) The Flood Myth, University of California Press, Berkeley, 1988

Thanks for the link. However, your hyperlink is adding an additional character at the end and took me to a 404 page.

However, it wasn't hard to fix:

http://nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html 

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Luuk Dondorp | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 1:51 PM

Yes, there is, but unfortunatedly in Dutch: "De wereldwijde vloed" (the worldwide flood" written by Tjarko Evenboer.

He shows that the earliest history, tales and myhts are showing a striking similarity with what we can read in Genesis 1 - 11.  One of the things he documents is that you can track back through history Sem, Cham and Jafet: Babelonians ans Sumerians, Chinese, Indians (india), indians (pre USA), Africans, Egyptians, Aboriginals and Maori, peoples of Northern Europe. 

A very interesting book. This is a related article  written by the same author in English: 

http://www.dewereldwijdevloed.nl/artikelen/Publicatie_JOC25(1)_Amerindians.pdf

Luuk

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 1:57 PM

Luuk Dondorp:
Yes, there is, but unfortunatedly in Dutch: "De wereldwijde vloed" (the worldwide flood" written by Tjarko Evenboer.

I would order that if Logos were to commission a translation of it into English and put it in pre-pub, which they've begun to do with some works.

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Luuk Dondorp | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 2:00 PM

Interesting! Thank you for pointing me to this "new approach"

Luuk

 

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 2:05 PM

Rosie Perera:

Luuk Dondorp:
Yes, there is, but unfortunatedly in Dutch: "De wereldwijde vloed" (the worldwide flood" written by Tjarko Evenboer.

I would order that if Logos were to commission a translation of it into English and put it in pre-pub, which they've begun to do with some works.

YesYes Yes, I would place an order too!

I found this book on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Parallel-Myths-J-F-Bierlein/dp/0345381467/

Not exactly what I'm looking for, but looking at the table of contents I see a chapter on Flood Myths that looks very interesting.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 2:08 PM

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 4:28 PM

ISBE 1915 covers it pretty nicely. Although I would guess you are looking for more..

-dan

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 6:44 PM

This is not from a Christian website, but it's still interesting.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 7:05 PM

Josh. You use both the word "myth" and "story" in the same sentence. Are you suggesting there's a difference between them?

There are a ton of resources that relate to your question. Could you be much more specific please?

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 8:00 PM

Milkman:

Josh. You use both the word "myth" and "story" in the same sentence. Are you suggesting there's a difference between them?

There are a ton of resources that relate to your question. Could you be much more specific please?

A myth is a story, but not all stories are myths. However, I wasn't trying to say the Genesis flood story isn't a myth. I have no problems with calling the Genesis flood story a myth - because it is. This doesn't mean its not true though.

Let me be as specific as possible. I read Genesis 1 -11 as real and literal history. As such, I believe that there was an actual global flood and that there was a real person named Noah. I find it very interesting that many cultures throughout the world have traditional flood myths that have parallels to the Genesis flood story. I see this as evidence that there truly was a global flood. However, I believe the Genesis account is the "pure" inerrant version.

I'm looking for a book that has solid research that can support this belief.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 8:10 PM

Dan Francis:

ISBE 1915 covers it pretty nicely. Although I would guess you are looking for more..

-dan

Thanks. Yes, I'm looking for more, but this was helpful. Took me a while to figure out it was listed under "deluge" and not "flood".

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 8:22 PM

Josh:

I believe the Genesis account is the "pure" inerrant version.

I'm looking for a book that has solid research that can support this belief.

This is incongruous. There is a book that can support your "belief". It's called the Bible. No other book could ever "support" that "belief"...and if you believe it, you shouldn't need any support, because you CAN'T credibly believe it unless you already have the support you require. Any variation in that structure is invalid.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 8:39 PM

David Paul:

This is incongruous. There is a book that can support your "belief". It's called the Bible. No other book could ever "support" that "belief"...and if you believe it, you shouldn't need any support, because you CAN'T credibly believe it unless you already have the support you require. Any variation in that structure is invalid.

Yes...I get it. Maybe I should have used a better word other than "support". I'm looking for help "defending" my belief. What do you think about Christian Apologetics?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 8:43 PM

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 8:50 PM

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 9:05 PM

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 18 2014 9:07 PM

MJ. Smith:

Josh:
I'm looking for a book that has solid research that can support this belief.

If you know basic comparative mythology or folklore as a discipline, you would know what you are looking for is a book of pseudo-science garbage. The stories do not come with dates and the "entire world being flooded" normally refers to the entire world of the people telling the story. If you wish to actually find solid research to support the factually of a world flood, you need to look to geology which has world-wide reach and a modicum of date-ability. I personally find the myths and folklore more interesting - and actually know much more about them but feel obligated to point out that you're headed a direction that bears no fruit except to the gullible.

I'm getting the impression that my favorite commentary on Genesis is probably not the same as yours! Big Smile

I have investigated other disciplines (such as geology) as well. I'm looking into mythology as only "one of many" areas of justification for my belief. I was able to find quite an interesting article: http://www.icr.org/article/7863/

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