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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jul 6 2014 4:55 AM

This set of books gives a good idea as to the beliefs of the Adventist Church.

https://www.logos.com/product/43425/biblical-research-institute

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 6 2014 3:13 PM

Bump.

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Robert Harner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 7 2014 4:29 PM

Lynden, how are these books better, ie add more information, than is in the top SDA bundle?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 7 2014 4:50 PM

Robert Harner:

Lynden, how are these books better, ie add more information, than is in the top SDA bundle?

Yes, Lynden, please elaborate.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 7 2014 5:34 PM

Robert Harner:

Lynden, how are these books better, ie add more information, than is in the top SDA bundle?

And why would you want to reopen the old CULT can of worms. This set is not designed to defend against those charges. Why kick a dead horse? Hmm

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 7 2014 8:01 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure there are at least one or two resources in Logos that level that charge at SDAs...I'm pretty sure it's something they've just become accustomed to hearing. Sorta similar to what the Catholic Church often hears from Protestant circles. It's pretty ironic, but there are more than just a few similarities between the two groups. As a Sabbatarian myself, I've noticed that Sunday groups tend to look askance at Sabbath observance, and some have no trouble tossing the cult label based on that practice alone. I'm pretty much an anti-denominationalist, so in my view SDAs are still in the same boat with all the other named churches out there, except they keep Shabbat. Considering the four descriptors above, becoming less of a cult or sect and more Orthodox and Evangelical doesn't constitute an improvement in my view.

Still, I find that some SDA prophecy has more going for it than a lot of traditional Sunday prophecy, mainly because Sunday observance per se eviscerates basic prophetic concepts. The Sabbath is one of the fundamental conceptual building blocks of the entire panorama of prophecy, which is just one of many reasons why it must be "remembered".

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 7 2014 8:29 PM

David Paul:
The Sabbath is one of the fundamental conceptual building blocks of the entire panorama of prophecy, which is just one of many reasons why it must be "remembered".
No Contest! They definitely got the day right. However, Their attempt at interpreting prophecy took a tragic turn at the movement's foundation. (1844) The Sanctuary Doctrine that grew from that "Great Disappointment" is still a pillar of SDA beliefs, and can NOT be substantiated by Scripture. Note that the SDA founders had close ties to Seventh Day Baptists. A movement that still exists on a limited scale. They too have the day right and do not attempt to promote the "Sanctuary Doctrine" or "Investigative Judgment".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_judgment 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 7 2014 9:47 PM

There is a Seventh Day Baptist church a few miles east of Huntsville, AL...a dozen folks would find the building uncomfortably cramped.

My personal feeling is that if SDAs cut themselves free of a couple of doctrinal anchors, they would be in a much healthier position on many fronts. But that wouldn't be Adventism any longer. Like most denominations, in which the "founder" typically saw a particular doctrinal flub in the church-at-large and moved to correct that error (often this single move was the right call), the problems begin in the "what comes next" phase. In most cases, that one little, limited piece of the puzzle is the entire bit of Scriptural insight that was allotted to the founder, and all the rest of the doctrinal baggage that makes up the difference is no better and at times is often worse than what the "other" denominations are doing. This is the history of Christianity in a nutshell, and it ought to alarm everyone involved. But it doesn't, and the reason is that...that's ALL there is. There's broken here, and there's broken there--everywhere you look is broken--and no one gets too alarmed because if everything everywhere is broken, then that must be okay, right? It's just people being broken sinners is all...

The arc of prophesy doesn't dispute this state of affairs--in fact, it describes it perfectly! Unfortunately, it also judges it unmercifully. No group, regardless of doctrine, is safe. The problem is much more systemic than denominational fracturing--or ecumenism, for that matter--can ever hope to overcome.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 7 2014 10:09 PM

Dear Brother David;

This is a Golden Day!

Usually I agree with Much of what you say. I have learned to take what I can use, and leave the rest. On this rare occasion, I can say Amen to everything you wrote. Praise God!

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 4:35 AM

Paul C:
Their attempt at interpreting prophecy took a tragic turn at the movement's foundation. (1844) The Sanctuary Doctrine that grew from that "Great Disappointment" is still a pillar of SDA beliefs, and can NOT be substantiated by Scripture.

Did not look at the article in wikipedia.

See if this set has its foundation in scripture and if your views change about the Sanctuary doctrine. https://www.logos.com/product/37737/daniel-and-revelation-committee-series Smile

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 4:36 AM

Super.Tramp:

Robert Harner:

Lynden, how are these books better, ie add more information, than is in the top SDA bundle?

Yes, Lynden, please elaborate.

Started on another computer last night, will finish and post this morning.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 4:38 AM

Super.Tramp:

Robert Harner:

Lynden, how are these books better, ie add more information, than is in the top SDA bundle?

Yes, Lynden, please elaborate.

Controversial for some Adventist, but this book will answer some of the questions. https://www.logos.com/product/38541/questions-on-doctrine 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 4:39 AM

The DARCOM series helped define who we are and our mission, one of the reasons why I kept asking for it in Logos. Reading through book two, some have started on book three already. 

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 5:43 AM

Lynden Williams:

Did not look at the article in wikipedia.

See if this set has its foundation in scripture and if your views change about the Sanctuary doctrine. https://www.logos.com/product/37737/daniel-and-revelation-committee-series Smile

No Thanks! I will not buy any more twisted interpretation of Scripture. I devoted 3 months to this study. The 3rd Quarterly in 2006 was devoted to an attempt to justify the 1844 - Sanctuary - Investigative Judgement debacle. http://ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/06c/   (The Quarterly is a daily study that spans 3 months... Hence "Quarterly") I suppose you could view it as the SDA's Lectionary.   I studied daily. I read every entry. ... Followed every link. The more I dug, the more I saw that the doctrine is FALSE. There are great men...Still devoted to Adventism who maintain that the movement should give up and admit the error. They didn't just devote 3 months to the study. They devoted their lives trying to make the Adventist views line up with Scripture. (Or Vice Versa) They could not. I would suggest Logos add a little work  titled "The "Sanctuary Doctrine"- Asset or Liability?" by Raymond Cottrell.

Cottrell was a respected Theologian. He was a contributing editor of the Adventist Commentary. While working on the commentary, he found discrepancies. He devoted the next 20 plus years trying to rectify the "inconsistencies" in the doctrine. Shortly before his death he offered the heartfelt plea to the SDA's to abandon the erroneous doctrine. They apparently are too invested in the tradition to admit the error.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 6:59 AM

Robert Harner:

Lynden, how are these books better, ie add more information, than is in the top SDA bundle?

For starters, the material in this collection is not represented in the Sda Silver. The last volume ( is a summary of the DARCOM series dealing with the Sanctuary. 

Understanding Scripture: An Adventist Approach, vol. 1

Interpreting Scripture: Bible Questions and Answers, vol. 2

In the first title, it gives an "Adventist" hermeneutic on how to study the scriptures. The basic pricniple is also found one of the books found in the Seventh-day Advetnist Bible Commentary Expanded Edition" Handbook for Bible Study.

In the second volume, is our answer to passages usually presented by others in a discussion which would disprove Adventist teaching.

The Sda Silver and this set compliment each other.

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Ralph Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 9:21 AM

Paul C:
Shortly before his death he offered the heartfelt plea to the SDA's to abandon the erroneous doctrine. They apparently are too invested in the tradition to admit the error.
Exactly! The SDA's Prophetess "Was Shown" that this doctrine was sound. It is impossible to admit the False/Flawed Doctrine without casting doubt on the Prophetess. 

The SDA's have their hands full right now. They are faced with another irony. (Some view it as hypocrisy) The denomination is based largely on the teachings of Ellen G. White. But somehow they view it heresy for modern women to be ordained. 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 9:35 AM

Come on guys. Buy the Sda Bronze package or the one in the link above. We cannot have an intelligent discussion if we do not agree on terms of the discussion.

Now if you have genuine information from Adventist material then we can move the discussion to http://christiandiscourse.com/ . That is the reason it was set up. Smile

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 9:38 AM

Still hoping Logos can obtain the rights for this. http://www.adventistbookcenter.com/seventh-day-adventists-believe.html 

Ok. Confession time. Started this tread to speed up the process of getting this set from the Biblical Research Institure into production. Not too many new orders based on the bar. Lots of views based on the topic. Wink

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 9:46 AM

Lynden Williams:
Now if you have genuine information from Adventist material
Therein lies the flaw in your "Logic" You seem to assume the only "Genuine Information" is gleaned from Adventist Material. I Strongly disagree.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 8 2014 9:50 AM

Paul, primary souce is the best place to find information. If you want to know what x believes, then see what x has to say. That is why I buy materials from across the Christian spectrum. That is preferred than heresey. 

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