Logos has overtaken Accordance for good

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luoar | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Aug 29 2014 5:59 AM

I began using Accordance Bible Software about ten years ago. At the time Accordance was a great product that offered promise. Over the years though its appeal to me has diminished so that I hardly use it any longer. To my mind Logos is superior to it in every department now, although a few years back the products were even. Accordance fails for several reasons a) Its resources are not as well produced as those of Logos. I have had over the years to send many corrections to Accordance for its commentaries and other resources. These errata were never fixed. b) Accordance offers very few resources in comparison with Logos. Accordance has continued to cater for a very narrow niche market, and has not ever expanded its vision for pastors. In addition, the resources of Accordance are very conservative theologically. c) Accordance offers only very laborious ways to arrange one's resources. d) Accordance is difficult and clumsy to use. It has never rid itself of the feel of working in an old Mac environment. e) Its lexicons do not always find the text one is looking for. f) Most unfortunate, its Windows version is abysmal, and frequently given to frequent crashes. There are one or two neat features and home grown resources, but none of these compare with the best Logos has to offer. With the passage of time Accordance has really begun to look its age, while Logos grows from strength to strength. I would like to commend Logos for its forward looking approach and for its excellence in production. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 6:45 AM

I'd agree with many of your points.  I was looking forward to the Accordance Windows version, having listened to the Accordance users.  I wasn't wildly happy-fied. Plus the iOS app is a pain.  I'd say the Logos app is far better.

That said, for new users and friends, I'd probably recommend Olive Tree first, and if the person likes to delve into the languages a bit, then Accordance.  Most people have others things they need to do in their lives.  Both are developing a nice set of Bible resources and both easy to pick up, along with other of life's travails.


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Paolo russo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 6:58 AM

Sorry guys, but I disagree very much.

Accordance is the fastest app (windows/iOS) I have tried so far. Whenever I search some words, some ideas, or verses or anything, Accordance gives me back quickly what I need.

I agree that Logos as very large list of books, and that is why I buy on Logos and read a lot on Logos, but searching? Accordance. I agree that on windows Logos has a very good use, but someway it is hard to find good stuff if you don't make great use of collection and tagging. Accordance is more selective and simplified, with just Very Good resources. 

On iOS I cannot believe someone can say something bad about Accordance. If you have just 10 sec and you need to find anything...you can find it on Accordance.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 10:01 AM

Logos returned 60m results from my library in well under 30 seconds. Can you do a search in accordance that can bring back 60m results? and how long does it take?

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 11:11 AM

Does any version allow me to use a picker to get to a book, chapter, and verse?  I continue to marvel at how some basic functionality is missing in Logos 5.x.  The basic desktop is coming along but is still rife with ads (yes I know I can turn them off) - but no real plethora of useful devotional material.  Sigh.

I mostly use my Logos in a Bible study.  Its slow that way and on a Surface Windows Pro 8.1 a bit sluggish as I try to use a stylus and the onboard keyboard, etc.  By the time i find what I am looking for the next person in the group has been selected and we have all moved on.  Sigh.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 11:19 AM
Each program has it's strengths... Reported typos and errors (to be a true error that is corrected means an error differing from the PRINTED book, not an error in the printed book that has been passed on to the electronic version) have always been addressed in the next revision. I have no experience with the Windows version, but the mac version is very stable. Search results in Accordance are as fast if not faster than Logos. Logos has a great interface, more bells and whistles than I think are needed but it is very nice. The iOS versions major flaw is syncing notes/highlights must be down manually and selection of text is not natural, the later should be corrected in the next major release, although I find it embarrassing that selection of word sentence or paragraph was ever seen as a viable choice. As a person who needs to flip between iOS Accordance and iOS Logos, I will say it is like switching from a fast mustang bareback, to a tethered mule with a nice saddle. Reading in iOS Acc. is smith fast and original language look up is quick. Logos iOS is slow constantly requires one to wait (only seconds) to do anything. And the features for more in-depth study are tied to having connection via cellular or WIFI. I encourage people to look at each and decide which one will be better, sadly for all Logos' great features, those who cannot afford too much I recommend Accordance hands down. $50 gets you a modern decent one volume commentary, ESV tied to original language, a great modern one volume dictionary, as well as dozens of other highly valued classically works. When all is said and done both are valuable and I would not want to be without either. Accordance will always have a smaller Library to draw from, that being said 75% of the works I consider essential are now available in Accordance. If Logos imploded tomorrow I would not feel overly hard done by with the selection of books that are in Accordance now (that being said a large number of available works in Accordance I own in Logos, simply because they were in Logos first, but so ironically often not as cheap as in Accordance, but then ACC lacks the dynamic reference tagging from one resource to another usually (Scripture references are always tagged, but jumping from say a reference in the NIB to the passage in WBC is not automatically done)). I am sorry you are not finding Accordance valuable any longer, but that being said perhaps you can sell it and use the money to increase your Logos Library. -Dan
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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 11:25 AM

Olivetree has the picker... and Acc iOS can be set to it... no desktop app i know of beyond the Olivetree uses the picker and in a touch environment I can see how it would be speedier than the keyboard. 

-Dan

PS: I love how the windows version brings up Proverbs 8:1, hopefully you will get a picker option,

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 1:41 PM

I personally use both. As I've mentioned on the Accordance forums, I consider each a different tool for a different job. Accordance launches faster than Logos and is lightning fast at searches, as well as its "Parallel Panes" feature is excellent for Biblical Language studies since I can fit more on the screen cleanly than I can Logos.

However, Logos has many more books (and I've invested a lot more in Logos) than Accordance, as well as I enjoy all the data sets and in house databases created by the Logos Research Team. The cloud syncing capabilities outshine Accordance as well.

Bottom line. I keep both open most of the time for my work. I consider both different tools in my toolbox of Bible Study apps.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 2:17 PM

I just placed an order in Accordance totaling $678.22, among the things included in that were the New Interpreter's Bible. Combined with what I've got used from different sources I now have a fully functioning MT-LXX Parallel and the NT with the best lexicons and the apparatus to the Hebrew and the - but I don't need the GNT apparatus.
Logos marketing is so aggressive and combined with the amount of books they offer and how they offer new books (lower pre-pub prices for a few days when a book has entered pre-pub) and the way the "best" discounts are offered only in collections and base-packages, makes Logos a huge cost for the end-customer, not a way to save any money.
There's a Faithlife-group, one of You is even a member of it: https://faithlife.com/creating-a-budget-and-canceling-orders/activity ... where it's possibly to discuss about cancelling orders.

(EDIT: typo corrected. luoar, the NIV11 was an upgrade to the NIV84 plus there was another problem: that something was tied to another resource. Anyway what I would have wanted was the NIV11 separately in Accordance (I have NIV84) so I'll buy that directly instead. Could You email them about also wanting to include the Jewish Study Bible if no additional transfer fee? I'll pay You the difference in $$ to Your Logos Store Credit.)

I know MJ. would not advise to use two different pieces of software because there's too much overlap. Most of the overlap is the GNT and Septuagint. The English Bibles really don't overlap almost at all, I have to have the REB and 1959 OT/1971 NT RSV in both though. What I've hesitated to duplicate are English Bible dictionaries and theology/Church history encyclopedias.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 3:04 PM

Unix:
Could You email them about also wanting to include the Jewish Study Bible if no additional transfer fee?

"Transfer fee"?  What is a transfer?

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 4:30 PM

I do not have Acc. or OT. How long would it take one of them to do a search of 20,000 resources for a research subject? Do they provide many resources?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 5:16 PM

I'd think OT and A-Company's searches as described would be physically impossible.  Of course, the same search on my Logos would similarly be physically impossible.


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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 6:11 PM

Unix:
I know MJ. would not advise to use two different pieces of software because there's too much overlap.

Right on advice; wrong on reason.

Would you plan to write an academic paper putting some of your notes on napkins or the back of envelops, some of them in notebooks and most of them on index cards? Not by design although it often happens by accident. That is why I discourage the use of multiple software packages to accomplish the same task and encourage the use of integrated environments which may be a single piece of software or multiple software applications that handle different tasks.

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Erik | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 7:38 PM

MJ. Smith:

Unix:
I know MJ. would not advise to use two different pieces of software because there's too much overlap.

Right on advice; wrong on reason.

Would you plan to write an academic paper putting some of your notes on napkins or the back of envelops, some of them in notebooks and most of them on index cards? Not by design although it often happens by accident. That is why I discourage the use of multiple software packages to accomplish the same task and encourage the use of integrated environments which may be a single piece of software or multiple software applications that handle different tasks.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm not convinced the problem you describe is in reality an issue on a modern computing platform.  Nearly every program I use for academic research allows me to cut and paste to the clipboard in Windows and I find that with multiple monitors I don't have any difficulty with taking notes in various specific digital resources. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 7:47 PM

Erik:
I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm not convinced the problem you describe is in reality an issue on a modern computing platform

The problem is remembering where the resource and/or note may be ... perhaps only a problem when you have more than a handful of decades in which to have run into the wanted quotation, reference, explanation ... And yes I am less impressed with the higher powered search software that I use due to file type considerations.

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Erik | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 9:22 PM

MJ. Smith:

Erik:
I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm not convinced the problem you describe is in reality an issue on a modern computing platform

The problem is remembering where the resource and/or note may be ... perhaps only a problem when you have more than a handful of decades in which to have run into the wanted quotation, reference, explanation ... And yes I am less impressed with the higher powered search software that I use due to file type considerations.

Point taken.  Even with my short 45 years on this earth, I too find myself losing track of where I've kept things. I spend the better part of my day sifting through folders upon folders looking for Word, Excel and .pdf files in our document control system at work.  That said, use of multiple biblical software platforms does not cause me much consternation at this early stage of my life.  To me it is still much easier than sifting through my print volumes that are receiving less and less attention every year.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 10:52 PM

The search speed depends on the computer. I use a computer intended for 3D CAD, which is an overkill for any Bible software. A search with 3444 resources took 3 seconds and indexing normally takes some minutes. The 30" screen allows to see more parallel resources than I need.

Thus instead of buying another software one can consider purchasing a faster computer and larger screen. Maybe cheaper, and saves the learning time of the new software.

I have some friends who frantically like BW, and at one point I considered buying it as an addition. But I could not really figure out has it any such a feature that Logos cannot do?

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 4:57 AM

JoshInRI:
Does any version allow me to use a picker to get to a book, chapter, and verse?  I continue to marvel at how some basic functionality is missing in Logos 5.x.

sorry, I disagree with you here. You simply cannot use the mouse (or fingers on touch screen) faster than you can type an abbreviated reference in Logos: "ge 17 5", "jn 3 16", etc.

only a voice search can potentially be faster

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 9:59 AM

toughski:

JoshInRI:
Does any version allow me to use a picker to get to a book, chapter, and verse?  I continue to marvel at how some basic functionality is missing in Logos 5.x.

sorry, I disagree with you here. You simply cannot use the mouse (or fingers on touch screen) faster than you can type an abbreviated reference in Logos: "ge 17 5", "jn 3 16", etc.

only a voice search can potentially be faster



My ex brother in law was telling me there is a video game out there where you wear a special hat, and it reads your mind then relays your commands wirelessly to the game. Adjusts music and weather to suit your mood and so forth. Maybe a hat that controls logos could be faster. But I doubt speaking would be faster than typing.

I type pretty fast.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 12:14 PM

abondservant:
I type pretty fast.

Well that may well be but from Josh's context I was envisioning him with his tablet, needing to bring up the on screen keyboard to enter, at which point you already have lost seconds doing that. If he does have his keyboard with him, he still has to tap the screen and enter in the verse, which is not too much issue but seems to be leaving him behind.

-Dan 

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