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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 5 2010 7:37 PM

Hi all,

I have not done much syntax searching in original languages so I hope you can give me some help.

Here is the syntax I would like to search for, if someone has time on their hands Huh? could you post an image of the solution to this problem, it will greatly help me learn I think!

I am interested in finding all occurrences in Greek/NT of either Jesus or pronouns, with the words similar to "weeps" (weeps, wept, was weeping, etc.) or "cried" (also all variations).  I am assuming syntax searching could not tell me if "He wept" was about Jesus or someone else, I would have to examine the clause myself. Use whatever resource you think best solves the problem.

If that example makes sense, thanks!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2010 9:14 PM

To understand the basic structure see http://wiki.logos.com/A_Strategy_for_Syntax_Search

Jesus is the Subject and what he is doing is a Predicator

If you know Louw-Nida domains (just search or look over the lexicon) then 25 is Attitudes and Emotions, including weeping! If just want "weep" then use the Gloss box and accept all suggested words beginning "wee" or "wep" (insert a space between each).

 


 

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2010 10:53 PM

Thanks Dave, very helpful! It gives me some stuff to research.

Will this handle pronouns like "He wept" as well? ALso - if I wanted a more specific search like 25.137 do I add that in the sameplace? And how about 25.137-25.141, add it like that? 

 I tried this, and it does not return any results.  It should find John 11:35, "Jesus wept". I see the Louw domain is 25.137. I am working on it but I can't see what is wrong with this query.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 4:39 AM

Just type space and enter "he" after "Jesus"

The LN range appears broken, try a sub-domain like 25L.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 11:59 AM

If the attached image is what you were suggesting, it still does not return any results (you can see that in the image). Did I do it correctly?  Thanks for your help!

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 1:48 PM

Dominick Sela:
If the attached image is what you were suggesting, it still does not return any results (you can see that in the image). Did I do it correctly?  Thanks for your help!

On Word 1 & 2 check "Matching skips levels" It is represented in the earlier image as dotted lines.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 2:47 PM

Sorry Dom, copying a syntax search is all about the visuals. Dotted lines are very significant because Words do not appear directly below a Clause of any type, so you have to "tell" it to skip levels in between eg.  right click the Word box and select "Matching skips levels".

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:21 PM

It works! Thanks Dave and Kevin! It was the matching skips levels that even made it work (more matches) with just "Jesus" as gloss and 25 as domain.

If I could trouble with a few questions  (EDIT: JUst need help with #3, and where I could read more about this besides the Syntax videos if there are any good references or books. Thanks!):

1. What is 25L or where can I read more about it? I did not see it in help or videos. (STRiKE THIS - I found it in subdomain discussion. I was looking at ranges like 25.137-25.142 instead of the letters)

2. If I want to match a range of say 25.137 - 25.142 in Louw, how would I do that? (EDIT: using the letters as noted in http://www.laparola.net/greco/louwnida.php for example!)

3. What does "matching skips levels" do or where can I read more about it?

Please just refer me somewhere else to read if these questions are discussed anywhere. I just haven't been able to find anything about it.

Thanks again for your help, enjoying what I learn!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 7 2010 12:17 AM

Dominick Sela:
What does "matching skips levels" do or where can I read more about it?

Look at the Opentext Clause Analysis for each result and notice the structures that are between the Clause Component (S or P) and the Greek "word"  - there will usually be a wg and a hd (hover over each to get a definition). These are the levels being "skipped" in order to get a match with "word". It may be important to specify these in other queries where the path to the "word" has to be more precise for the results you are after.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 7 2010 4:28 AM

Another way to think if the "matching skips levels" is like the Clause analysis is like a genealogy chart. The program automatically searches for direct relationship, parent and child. However since the Clause component (S or P) is more like a grandfather (or great-grandfather) to the Word you need to tell the program to ignore what comes in between.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 7 2010 11:08 AM

Good info for me to research, thanks Dave and Kevin!

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