OT: Text annotation apps

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Oct 14 2014 6:04 AM

I know a lot of folks here are familiar with a range of apps / applications. I'm looking for an app (iPad) or application (Windows 8.1 on a touchscreen, this is perhaps preferable) which allows me to free-form annotate text. A good example is what you see John Piper doing in his new Look in the Book videos:

http://www.desiringgod.org/labs/free-in-christ-jesus

In short, I would start with typeset text, e.g. a passage of scripture. Then I want to be able to "draw" circles around words or phrases, draw lines to connect words or my circles, write short comments, etc.

Any recommendations? Thanks,

Donnie

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 14 2014 6:20 AM

You might consider screen drawing software such as Systernals zoomit: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897434.aspx 

I think you'd need to take a screen cap at the end to save it as a graphic though.  Perhaps use screen recording software as well such as Jing.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 14 2014 10:06 AM

TCBlack:
You might consider screen drawing software such as Systernals zoomit

I'll check it out. However, I think I want something that's more than primarily for presentations / demos. I want to be able to save the results into some kind of document, print, etc. It's both for something real-time, as in the Piper example, as well as for my own personal work / study.

Thanks for the tip,

Donnie

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 14 2014 10:52 AM

This reminded me of my ancient plea for the old circle and arrow trick.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 14 2014 10:57 AM

And that thread reminded me of what happens when you're in Logos and  you press F8.

(go ahead, do it)  

It dissapears though when you hit ESC, so take a screenshot.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 14 2014 12:01 PM

Donnie ... you don't mention exactly where your text is (eg Logos, Word, etc).

I like to do what you're talking about.  My platform of choice is a PDF'er with good over-writes.  I use FoxIt since it works on both my Windows and iPad.  I know you already know this, but whatever choice you make, has to have the ability to hold the text in place (since you're handwriting across rows/paragraphs).

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 15 2014 7:03 AM

Denise:
Donnie ... you don't mention exactly where your text is (eg Logos, Word, etc).

In a perfect world, the text would be in whatever app it started in, so I don't have to get it someplace else to do the annotation. I'm pretty sure a lecture I saw (Piper again) had him annotating, circling, adding lines in the Bible! app on an iPad. Not sure about that, though.

That said, I am willing to get it to a format / app in which to do that if the effort is not too onerous. I did see a number of apps/applications that seemed to allow for this kind of capability for pdf's. That seems reasonable, if not my first preference. And, yes, the text has to be fixed, for just the reason you mentioned.

Donnie

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 15 2014 7:38 AM

Well, Donnie, I've read your comments over the years, and you're far ahead of me.   In my own software (which supports text to pixel matching), I thought about trying handwriting over-top text.  The problem (which dummy me should have been obvious), is the re--formatting of the text, which immediately created spagetti.  I mean, it just didn't survive even a few seconds.

My solution was forcing a hard format of the text (font/size/dimensions) for diagrams; the PDF solution is 'ok' but not fun.

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Robert Baker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2016 9:15 PM

Did you ever figure out how John was accomplishing look at the book?  I want to do the same with my congregation.

I think he uses something similar to Khan academy

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Bernard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 4 2016 2:02 AM

Bible Mark Up - Bible Study App

By Maranatha Technologies is an option

plus there is a similiar app on android

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Mike Durso | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 1 2016 12:04 PM

In a sermon I heard him mention it once. He said it'a a free PDf annotation app for his iPad called Neu Annotate. Probably uses a stylus. 

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Nancy Sue Gragg | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 18 2017 3:34 PM

This appears to be a fantastic app.  I have downloaded it on both android tablet and ipad.  It worked the first time, but today It will not connect with the internet.  Very frustrating, especially when you can't call anyone.

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Nancy Sue Gragg | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 19 2017 6:37 AM

Got help today and the app is really good.

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 19 2017 8:07 AM

In a perfect world, Logos would have it's own "inking" feature similar to the inking features of Microsoft Word, Drawboard PDF, or OneNote. However I doubt we will ever see such a feature. I think there are advantages to the inking method in these applications over the digital typed notes that one can do in Logos (I think the act of writing facilitates memory better than typing and, for myself, it helps me be more creative and interactive with the text). 

My own method is to get the text that I want to ink into OneNote and do all my inking there. I use OneNote because it is an amazing app in its own right and because it's less likely to disappear in five years (vs. some iOS app that may not be supported five years from now) and its universal platform wise (available on Mac, iOS, Windows, Android).

With Logos getting text into OneNote is very simple since it has generous copy/paste support. When I'm wanting to mark up a text in Kindle I use the Microsoft Snipping Tool to create an image of the page. I then paste that image into a OneNote page. (Note: OneNote can translate text from an image into type-able/editable text with almost perfect accuracy. So if you want, you can then change that image of text into actual text that you can format as you please.)

Here is a screenshot of some Kindle text I was marking up yesterday: 

I keep waffling back and forth between print books and digital books primarily because of the inking issue (and because FaithLife still doesn't do a good job of getting the newest books at both the scholarly and popular level). Being able to write and interact with texts is essential for me. Inking on OneNote is more tedious to start with because you have to first get the text into OneNote. With a physical book I can just immediately start writing, but it's a more cumbersome process throughout because I need to have at least three different pen colors and the margin space for writing is always a little bit too small. Plus, if I make a mistake or change my mind on a note I'm stuck with the mistake in physical book. In OneNote I can easily undue my notes and my writing space is unlimited. However, if there was no way to do digital inking, I would definitely abandon digital books. Unfortunately, I think it will be a number of years (if ever) until a platform like Kindle or Logos ever integrates inking. 

P.S. I'm using a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 as my hardware. A great laptop/tablet hybrid in its own right, it's also the best in terms of pen integration.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 19 2017 1:03 PM

Donnie Hale:

Denise:
Donnie ... you don't mention exactly where your text is (eg Logos, Word, etc).

In a perfect world, the text would be in whatever app it started in, so I don't have to get it someplace else to do the annotation. I'm pretty sure a lecture I saw (Piper again) had him annotating, circling, adding lines in the Bible! app on an iPad. Not sure about that, though.

That said, I am willing to get it to a format / app in which to do that if the effort is not too onerous. I did see a number of apps/applications that seemed to allow for this kind of capability for pdf's. That seems reasonable, if not my first preference. And, yes, the text has to be fixed, for just the reason you mentioned.

Donnie

I realize I am posting to an OLD thread, but for future users who may refer to this, Are you aware that the newest version of PowerPoint in Office365 includes this?

Import what you want into a PPT slide, then select the "REVIEW" tab and start inking (even without a stylus).

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 19 2017 1:13 PM

Donnie Hale:

Any recommendations? Thanks,

Donnie

see this podcast by fellow Logos User Kevin Purcell - http://www.kevinpurcell.org/bible-mark-up-app/ 

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Rafe Andersen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2021 8:59 PM

This may not be what you are looking for, but here is what I am using. I use an 8th generation iPad with an Apple Pen and software called Reflector 3. 

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