New Feature: Books.Logos.com
What is it?
Books.Logos.com provides you with access to over 8,000 hard-to-find theological resources. We visited some of the best theological libraries in America and scanned thousands of classic works into our system, making rare, yet revolutionary Christian texts available to everyone.
How does it work?
Simply enter your search into the new Everything Search bar or the Topic Guide, and within your results you’ll get links to relevant resources on Books.Logos.com. Search these resources by Bible verse, title, or author. And with a click, add these titles to your Logos library for better integration into the software.
How do I get it?
A 2-year subscription to Books.Logos.com comes with Feature Crossgrade and higher, and Gold level base packages and higher.
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Do we know what the cost is after the 2 year subscription? And, if you don't renew, do those resources stay in your library?
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You never really "have" the resources - you have access to a scan of them similar to some of the online archive libraries. It's been available as a separate sire for several years but I don't know at what cost.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
You never really "have" the resources - you have access to a scan of them similar to some of the online archive libraries. It's been available as a separate sire for several years but I don't know at what cost.
Yeah I understand that but it said you can add the work to your library for further integration. I have used the external site for a while, though I usually gave up on it.
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David Taylor Jr said:
Yeah I understand that but it said you can add the work to your library for further integration.
Oops - I beta-tested and never noticed that[:$]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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A number of the books in the Popular section on books.logos.com can be added to your Logos library by logging in and clicking the "Send to Logos Desktop" button. Once the book is sent to your library, downloaded, and indexed it will function like a media resource.
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Kamira Rea said:
A number of the books in the Popular section on books.logos.com can be added to your Logos library by logging in and clicking the "Send to Logos Desktop" button. Once the book is sent to your library, downloaded, and indexed it will function the like a media resource.
We hope to have the entire collection available shortly. They are in the process of all going up (very slowly) as we speak. If you have any books in particular you are interested in, I'm more than happy to put them at the front of the queue!0 -
Right, but do they stay in your library even if your subscription expires? I have noticed these books seem to all be public domain which is a plus.
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David Taylor Jr said:
Right, but do they stay in your library even if your subscription expires? I have noticed these books seem to all be public domain which is a plus.
They will not continue to be in your library at the end of the subscription. I'm not sure the exact details on the subscription price post 2 years.
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Todd White (Faithlife) said:David Taylor Jr said:
Right, but do they stay in your library even if your subscription expires? I have noticed these books seem to all be public domain which is a plus.
They will not continue to be in your library at the end of the subscription. I'm not sure the exact details on the subscription price post 2 years.
Thanks for the clarification Todd!
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OK, so I clicked "Send to Logos Desktop". It says it's been sent, but nothing's happened. What gives?
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Mark Barnes said:
OK, so I clicked "Send to Logos Desktop". It says it's been sent, but nothing's happened. What gives?
I'm having the same issue.
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Can confirm it worked for me. have you tried the usual: update now, and update resources?
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
have you tried the usual: update now, and update resources?
I have, but it didn't work.
What happened for you? Do these books show up in your library? Can you let us see a screenshot of what they look like.
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Certainly. I clicked "send to logos". Opened logos, clicked update now, and it downloaded 6.5mb.
In the updated books area (sorry couldn't get a screen cap of that with the snipping tool on my laptop - not fast enough with a touch pad) it showed that it had downloaded, so I clicked on it in the updated resources area, and it shows this:
anything you'd like me to try?
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Interesting. Thanks.
There must be some bug that's preventing me from receiving it.
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It does show in the library, on the right shows whats searchable. but to be honest, I had a hard time finding it in the search results. I searched for a phrase, NEAR a word, and it brought up a handful of results, but none from this title. It may be my searching skills.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Here it is at the page level, you can click big arrows at the bottom that let you move between the scanned images.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
It does show in the library, on the right shows whats searchable. but to be honest, I had a hard time finding it in the search results. I searched for a phrase, NEAR a word, and it brought up a handful of results, but none from this title. It may be my searching skills.
The search results in these resources are powered by OCR (with zero manual review of the results). The quality of the original page scan will affect OCR accuracy, which will in turn affect search results.
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It appears that books.logos.com is displaying the "Send to Desktop" button for books that haven't been uploaded yet. I would expect this to be the problem you are seeing. I would also expect the resource to show up as soon as it's available.
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I'm not sure which one (yeah that is bad I know) I was trying to use the feature to get a feel for it, but I don't see where the site tracks what books you have selected either. Can you tell me a title that IS available so I can test it to make sure it works? That would be great.
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what sort of functionality is available with the book once they are in the desktop app. Can you select text, highlight, copy, paste or add selections to note, etc.? Or are these books just image files with limited OCR?
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I agree, being able to see which books you've added to your desktop library would be a good idea. Any of the books listed in the popular books section on the main books.logos.com page should be available. All the books should be available soon so I'm hoping this is a very short-lived problem.David Taylor Jr said:I'm not sure which one (yeah that is bad I know) I was trying to use the feature to get a feel for it, but I don't see where the site tracks what books you have selected either. Can you tell me a title that IS available so I can test it to make sure it works? That would be great.
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These books are just image files with limited OCR backing them to enable searching capabilities and Bible reference detection.Anthony H said:what sort of functionality is available with the book once they are in the desktop app. Can you select text, highlight, copy, paste or add selections to note, etc.? Or are these books just image files with limited OCR?
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Steve Hurd said:
Can you point me to the book you're trying to download?
Both now say "Sent to Logos Desktop".
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Excellent, I'll try it out when I get home and get back to you. Thanks!Steve Hurd said:
I agree, being able to see which books you've added to your desktop library would be a good idea. Any of the books listed in the popular books section on the main books.logos.com page should be available. All the books should be available soon so I'm hoping this is a very short-lived problem.David Taylor Jr said:I'm not sure which one (yeah that is bad I know) I was trying to use the feature to get a feel for it, but I don't see where the site tracks what books you have selected either. Can you tell me a title that IS available so I can test it to make sure it works? That would be great.
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Steve Hurd said:
These books are just image files with limited OCR backing them to enable searching capabilities and Bible reference detection.Anthony H said:what sort of functionality is available with the book once they are in the desktop app. Can you select text, highlight, copy, paste or add selections to note, etc.? Or are these books just image files with limited OCR?
Thanks. [:D]
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Incidentally, while you're here, it would be helpful to make it more obvious how to the front of a book in one click - either through clicking on the title, or perhaps via additional navigation arrows. I know you've got the helpful navigation at the side, but because of Google Books, that's not where I look.
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Jonathan J Watson said:
A 2-year subscription to Books.Logos.com comes with Feature Crossgrade and higher, and Gold level base packages and higher.
Looks to me like they have integrated a marketing scheme into the functional software.
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Thank you Mark, I can confirm that neither of those books have been uploaded yet. I'm working on a fix that will remove the button for any books not yet uploaded. I apologize for this issue and any confusion it has caused.Mark Barnes said:Steve Hurd said:Can you point me to the book you're trying to download?
Both now say "Sent to Logos Desktop".
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1. The first book I tried to download from the website didn't work. Second time I used the new Search Everything and selected the book from the results; it arrived after a few minutes in the same way as a resource update.
2. A Fit Width option is needed to make these resources easily readable in Logos 6.
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Doc B said:Jonathan J Watson said:
A 2-year subscription to Books.Logos.com comes with Feature Crossgrade and higher, and Gold level base packages and higher.
Looks to me like they have integrated a marketing scheme into the functional software.
Why do you say that?
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David Taylor Jr said:Doc B said:Jonathan J Watson said:
A 2-year subscription to Books.Logos.com comes with Feature Crossgrade and higher, and Gold level base packages and higher.
Looks to me like they have integrated a marketing scheme into the functional software.
Why do you say that?
A search engine to find needed data is nice. A search engine to data for sale on a retail site is a bit different (kinda smacks of the 'in-app purchase' scenario that Apple foisted). If Logos is going to help me find what I need, that's great. If they are going to return hits in resources I don't own so they can market those resources to me, I have a problem with that as a strategy (esp. if they've sold me a large base package but left out some key resources to sell separately...and yes, that's happened).
The latter is what this appears to me to be, on the surface w/o having tried it.
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Doc B said:
A search engine to find needed data is nice. A search engine to data for sale on a retail site is a bit different (kinda smacks of the 'in-app purchase' scenario that Apple foisted). If Logos is going to help me find what I need, that's great. If they are going to return hits in resources I don't own so they can market those resources to me, I have a problem with that as a strategy (esp. if they've sold me a large base package but left out some key resources to sell separately...and yes, that's happened).
You're misunderstanding the feature (and perhaps confusing it with the Bookstore section of the passage guide). Books.logos.com allows Logos 6 users to search and download — for free — public domain books that Logos has scanned and OCRd (but not yet made into proper resources).
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Mark Barnes said:
search and download — for free — public domain books
That would be nice. But there's a "subscription", and one Logos employee has already stated there will be a cost after the two years is up (no amount was quoted). That's where the rub is, and on that information I formed my opinion.
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Doc B said:Mark Barnes said:
search and download — for free — public domain books
That would be nice. But there's a "subscription", and one Logos employee has already stated there will be a cost after the two years is up (no amount was quoted). That's where the rub is, and on that information I formed my opinion.
I'll have a feeling one of a few things will happen:
1) They'll go away from the subscription model, as they seem to have done with the FSB
2) They'll offer a "free" subscription to base package owners of a certain level (like Portfolio+)
3) They'll come out with L7 quickly enough that you'll crossgrade somehow and the "subscription" will stay invisible to you
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That was my thinking as well, with 3 seeming to be the most likely in my mind.William Gabriel said:Doc B said:Mark Barnes said:search and download — for free — public domain books
That would be nice. But there's a "subscription", and one Logos employee has already stated there will be a cost after the two years is up (no amount was quoted). That's where the rub is, and on that information I formed my opinion.
I'll have a feeling one of a few things will happen:
1) They'll go away from the subscription model, as they seem to have done with the FSB
2) They'll offer a "free" subscription to base package owners of a certain level (like Portfolio+)
3) They'll come out with L7 quickly enough that you'll crossgrade somehow and the "subscription" will stay invisible to you
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Can you still search (just not read) the books after the subscription expires, or does this feature entirely turn off after the subscription expires?
Will there be student discounts for the feature or the possibility of allowing seminaries to provide this to their students? My seminary would seem like one who'd probably want to provide it to us.
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Todd White (Faithlife) said:David Taylor Jr said:
Right, but do they stay in your library even if your subscription expires? I have noticed these books seem to all be public domain which is a plus.
They will not continue to be in your library at the end of the subscription. I'm not sure the exact details on the subscription price post 2 years.
My fearless prediction? Cost of Logos 7 will have us covered.... [:D]
Grace & Peace,
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BillS said:Todd White (Faithlife) said:David Taylor Jr said:
Right, but do they stay in your library even if your subscription expires? I have noticed these books seem to all be public domain which is a plus.
They will not continue to be in your library at the end of the subscription. I'm not sure the exact details on the subscription price post 2 years.
My fearless prediction? Cost of Logos 7 will have us covered....
I've been thinking about that. :-)
Nathan Parker
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Doc B said:
That would be nice. But there's a "subscription"
Which would you prefer? That the resources not be made available or that Logos go bankrupt by giving away resources that cost them to acquire. I doubt that the libraries provided free access and the ones doing the scanning were employees, not volunteers.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
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It's always amazing to me how often someone can read what I wrote but still not see what I said.
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Jack Caviness said:
Which would you prefer? That the resources not be made available or that Logos go bankrupt by giving away resources that cost them to acquire.
Even though you ignored my main point, you make it for me here again.
If it cost them money they need to recover, then make it a subscription, with a cost, up front. Don't stick it in a package for free, get everybody used to it, and then start charging for it down the road.
Jack Caviness said:If you don't like it, don't use it.
That's a bit asinine to say. The results are jammed in with all my legitimate hits. I can't "not use it". It's right there in my face whether I like it or not.
I'll try this one more time: If I want a search engine to resources I don't have, I'll use Google. If I put a search term in Logos, I expect it to find things in MY library, not market to me.
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Doc B said:
That's a bit asinine to say. The results are jammed in with all my legitimate hits. I can't "not use it". It's right there in my face whether I like it or not.
I'll try this one more time: If I want a search engine to resources I don't have, I'll use Google. If I put a search term in Logos, I expect it to find things in MY library, not market to me.
Calm down. You do not need to expand the section so your taking offense is over a heading line. Google gives me back many results that I can not access because they are paid subscription or limited to those affiliated with a university. Here, at least I have immediate access to the resources offered.
There is much in an everything search that I have no need for ... especially in the media area. I doubt that I will use it much except when starting a truly new subject to research. In general I have my library organized in a manner to allow me to target the specific material I want not cast a wide net. People have had access to books.logos.com by subscription for years. What is new is the integration into Logos/Verbum and the free "trial period" -- a common business practice for access to materials like this. You need to know what you'll get before deciding if its worth the cost.
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Doc B said:
A little testy aren't we? Those who have a compulsion to criticize will always find something about which they can complain. As MJ noted, you don't have to expand the heading.
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