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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 2 2015 1:09 PM

David Glenn Bailey:

Scroll up to Chris Toney and Todd White.

Thanks for clarifying - and, for future reference, it is helpful if you can "quote" posts so that it is clearer what you are referring to.

In this case it looks as thought you were referring to the issue of not being able to sync Personal Books on your mobile device.

I, and many others, agree that this would be nice but we don't when when / if it might be made available

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David Glenn Bailey | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 2 2015 1:42 PM

100+ easy.. and like others quite a few really large files.  I like the ancient Greeks.  Encyclopedias. Oxford.  Cambridge.  I read the other thread and I'd rather not pay for the service (or have people with expendable income speak for me).  The argument of cheap storage was made there as well.  If there's going to be a cap then I need to sync to Dropbox/OneDrive or even through FTP on my own server, which I'll pay for myself.  I look forward to hearing about a solution.

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David Glenn Bailey | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 2 2015 1:43 PM

Thanks!

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David Glenn Bailey | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 7:52 AM

Most of the larger files are PDF's.  In converting them to .DOCX files I can get most of them under the 20MB cap by removing the images.  This is only a temporary fix and if I want the images back in the books I'll have to go through the entire process again of reconverting, rebuilding, reuploading, and then losing highlighting, bookmarks, etc.....

The number one most important feature with personal books should still be the ability to read them on mobile devices ;).  Any word on if this will be developed and when?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 4 2015 8:02 AM

David Glenn Bailey:
The number one most important feature with personal books should still be the ability to read them on mobile devices ;).  Any word on if this will be developed and when?

I haven't seen any commitment on this from Faithlife (as far as I can remember) - I wouldn't expect them to comment publicly until it is nearly available (assuming this happens)

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Jeffrey T. Requadt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 5:57 AM

But the idea with syncing/uploading is that once the book has been compiled, it is no longer necessary to maintain a file on one's personal computer, right? E.g., I have a dropbox account so that no matter what computer I am using Logos on, the directory tree is the same (C:\DropBox\Dropbox\Logos). But if I can upload the documents so they sync on all devices (ideally), this would be serving that function, and having a dropbox would be superfluous for Logos, correct?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 6:05 AM

Jeffrey T. Requadt:

But the idea with syncing/uploading is that once the book has been compiled, it is no longer necessary to maintain a file on one's personal computer, right? E.g., I have a dropbox account so that no matter what computer I am using Logos on, the directory tree is the same (C:\DropBox\Dropbox\Logos). But if I can upload the documents so they sync on all devices (ideally), this would be serving that function, and having a dropbox would be superfluous for Logos, correct?

Wrong. The point of maintaining .docx files in dropbox is so that you can have access to recompile the document as needed no matter what computer you are using. "Personal Book Upload" only syncs the COMPILED file. If you delete your .docx files and need to make a change for any reason, you are toast!

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Jeffrey T. Requadt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 6:37 AM

No, I get that. I will always have a copy of the file from which to compile a book again. I don't think I need access to that on all computers, since I only do that the first time, or if I update it. But the point of syncing is that Logos doesn't have to go looking for the file in some other directory on your hard drive, right? It makes a copy itself (of the compiled file), whereas before it had to access the docx file every time you wanted to open it. At least, I couldn't open the PBB on another computer unless the docx file was available in exactly the same directory as when first compiled, thus the need for a dropbox to be located in exactly the same directory on every computer.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 6:49 AM

Jeffrey T. Requadt:
before it had to access the docx file every time you wanted to open it.

It never used to (was supposed to) work this way. The only thing you could access from within Logos was the compiled resource, not the .docx file

Jeffrey T. Requadt:
At least, I couldn't open the PBB on another computer unless the docx file was available in exactly the same directory as when first compiled

Strange - I don't understand this!

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Jeffrey T. Requadt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 7:17 AM

Well, maybe mine is just weird, or perhaps my understanding is from the earlier days, and they changed it without me knowing. But the point of the upload/sync is that we don't have to have any file available unless we want to compile it again, right?

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Jeffrey T. Requadt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 7:18 AM

In fact, I couldn't open the personal book on ANY computer, even the one it was compiled on, unless the DOCX file was in the original directory that it was compiled from.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 10:50 AM

Jeffrey T. Requadt:

In fact, I couldn't open the personal book on ANY computer, even the one it was compiled on, unless the DOCX file was in the original directory that it was compiled from.

That simply isn't (and wasn't) the case. You may have had issues, but they were unrelated to the presence (or absence) of the .docx file. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 1:24 PM

Jeffrey T. Requadt:

In fact, I couldn't open the personal book on ANY computer, even the one it was compiled on, unless the DOCX file was in the original directory that it was compiled from.

That may in fact be true. But there is no causal relationship as that is not how it behaves for others. What we would have to do to determine the cause of this oddity is to watch your work habits and see what else you are doing, quite likely along side the placing of the .docx file in the directory, that makes this true.

Basically, the process works this way (I think):

  1. When you compile a PB, the metadata is synced across your installations.
  2. You may chose to upload the PB to the cloud.

When you are on another installation you may do either of these - depending upon the upload status.

  1. You may download the PB from the cloud via logos.documents
  2. You may transfer the .docx file into the same directory it was in on the other machine and recompile the PB retaining the same metadata - this may use a dropbox or the Microsoft cloud ...

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Jeffrey T. Requadt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 3:33 PM

Well, you guys are all right, because I just tried with a sample document and then deleted the docx file after building the book, and it still exists in Logos. Here's the thing, though. The whole reason I began using dropbox was specifically because someone else (I assume on one of these forums) had the same problem I did and recommended using dropbox. I had never even heard of dropbox. So ever since then, I had always assumed that this problem always existed, and I never questioned my system until today, when I saw the "upload" button. I'm glad this isn't an issue anymore--or, possibly, that it never was. :) I feel like I'm on LOST on my consciousness is going back and forth between 2010 and 2015.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 1 2015 5:31 PM

Glad you have it squared away. Yes Smile

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StephenMcC | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 2 2015 3:44 AM

So I did my first upload yesterday - but went wrong with building the book first. Now I have two copies on the the same PB on my desktop. 

L6 won't let me delete the copy in the Utilities/Personal Book panel (is this a BUG because I have uploaded as well!).

I thought then, if I deleted the uploaded copy then I could then delete the Built Book and start again. BUT I don't know where to find the Uploaded book to delete it. 

any ideas?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 2 2015 4:44 AM

Did you try using the hidden book feature?

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StephenMcC | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 3 2015 10:47 AM

alabama24:
Did you try using the hidden book feature?

thank you, that sorted the duplication out quite simply.

But for future reference, how do you delete an uploaded book (for example, you get an updated version, or you decide to remove it)? it doesn't seem to be possible.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 3 2015 1:19 PM

As with other resources, one deletes by hiding.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 3 2015 2:39 PM

StephenMcC:
But for future reference, how do you delete an uploaded book (for example, you get an updated version, or you decide to remove it)? it doesn't seem to be possible

It is not possible other than hiding it, as MJ said.   (I'm Mr Redundant today.)

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