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R Cadet | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Oct 30 2014 4:29 PM

How do you search for all the commands in the Bible? Thank you.

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Ray from Faithlife | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 30 2014 4:46 PM

Hi there,

Welcome to the Logos forums. Funny you should ask this question. I was just working on it a few weeks ago. I did it using a visual filter which you can add to your library by joining this Faithlife Group (Logos Sample Documents) and saving a private copy of this document (Imperative Greek Verbs).

But, here's how I made it.

1.) Open a search panel and choose morph search

2.) Ensure the parameters match: all morph text / in all passages / in ESV / with Logos Greek Morphology

3.) Search for "@V??M" which is imperative verbs. (HINT: if you type that @ symbol, you'll get a dropdown that shows all your options.)

Once you run that search, click on the panel menu and select "Save as Visual Filter." Then Logos highlights all the imperative verbs in your ESV as you read. Handy, right?

Following the same method, you could create one for the OT that highlights Hebrew imperatives.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 30 2014 4:48 PM

R Cadet:
How do you search for all the commands in the Bible?

Our English Bibles are not tagged for commands, so we'd have to start using morphological searching in the Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament looking for imperatives (the voice of command). Do you have Morph search as an option in search?

EDIT: I see Ray got you started. Still the question: can you do a morph search?

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R Cadet | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 30 2014 7:49 PM

Yes I do have a morph search.

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R Cadet | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 30 2014 7:49 PM

Thank you so much Ray

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R Cadet | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 30 2014 8:29 PM

Hi Ray,

That was very helpful. How did you gather the 54 one another commands list in scripture. How do I search or streamline only Jesus' commands in the NT or God's commands throughout the Bible? Thanks again for your help and support with this, certainly an area I want to be more familiar with. Good night.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 30 2014 8:54 PM

For only Jesus' commands you can run this search (use Bible Search):

([field bible, content] <LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????>) AND {Speaker<Person Jesus>}

For God's commands in the NT:

([field bible, content] <LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????>) AND {Speaker<Person God>}

In the OT to find all commands use a morph search on the BHS:

@v?[vw]

To find the OT commands of God in Morph Search of the BHS or Bible Search of the BHS use:

([field bible, content] <WestMorph ~ v?[vw]????+S???E?A?I??V?>) AND {Speaker <Person God>}

BTW: This search was not possible in Logos 5. It depends on the Speaker Search capabilities new to Logos 6.

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Ray from Faithlife | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 31 2014 10:18 AM

Mark Smith:
BTW: This search was not possible in Logos 5. It depends on the Speaker Search capabilities new to Logos 6.

Yes

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 31 2014 11:04 AM

R Cadet:
How did you gather the 54 one another commands list in scripture.

I played around with this for awhile. The Greek lemma ἀλλήλων is the word translated 'one another' in the NASB95 NT. So combining that with the Greek imperative gives you this search line in a Bible Search:

(([field bible, content] [field bible, content] <LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????>) WITHIN 6 WORDS ([field bible, content] <Lemma = lbs/el/ἀλλήλων>))

This search yields hits in 23 verses. One or two are not what you are looking for.

Sometimes the subjunctive expresses the idea of a command. For example, Romans 14:13 Paul says "Therefore let us not judge one another anymore." The word translated "let us not judge" is in the present, active subjunctive.

A search that combines the Active Subjunctive and lemma ἀλλήλων turns up other 'one another' commands, but these will need to be sorted through.

(([field bible, content] <LogosMorphGr ~ V?AS????>) AND ([field bible, content] <Lemma = lbs/el/ἀλλήλων>))

I'll have to think a bit about the OT.

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R Cadet | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 31 2014 2:42 PM

Hi Mark, the 54 passages on one another is a list I saw that was compiled by Ray. I don't know how he gathered this list of passages. Nonetheless, I'm trying to figure out the way to do this, especially pinpointing the commands in the OT and NT along with Jesus' commands in the NT. Thank you so much for your help with this gentlemen.

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Ray from Faithlife | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 31 2014 3:04 PM

R Cadet:
the 54 passages on one another is a list I saw that was compiled by Ray.

This one?

Actually, I didn't build that. Somebody else here in the office did, and I'm not sure what search criteria he used to find it. Though you'll notice that it only includes NT references as well.

Mark's criterion look really good to me. The proximity note could account for the difference in count. Within 6 words would miss Phil 2.3 where the command is 14 words removed from the "one another."

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R Cadet | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 31 2014 3:41 PM

Thank you, how can I search for the commands?

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 31 2014 9:16 PM

R Cadet:
Thank you, how can I search for the commands?

Open up Search and click on Bible Search for the first few I listed. Copy one search line that I put in the posting and run the search on that.

This is the commands of Jesus:

Let me know if you have other questions.

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R Cadet | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 1 2014 11:28 AM

Hi Mark,

Based on this search, there are 1821 commands in the NASB NT alone. How would you look this up for the OT? Thanks again for your help with this. Good day.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 1 2014 11:41 AM

R Cadet:
1821 commands

Not really. That result counts the commands as well as the number of times Jesus is said to be the speaker, so there is double counting (at least).

A better measure would be the number of verses: 586. If many of these commands are repeated in each of the synoptic gospels, the number of unique command drops, let's estimate by 50%. So now you have about 290 verses, some of which may have more than one command. Still, that's quite a few and you have work to do to narrow down the unique commands.

R Cadet:
How would you look this up for the OT?

Here's the search string:

([field bible, content] <LogosMorphHeb ~ V?M??????>) AND {Speaker <Person God>})

Here's how to set it up:

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 1 2014 2:53 PM

Mark Smith:

Here's the search string:

([field bible, content] <LogosMorphHeb ~ V?M??????>) AND {Speaker <Person God>})

Here's how to set it up:

Hi Mark, I am lurking in on this thread and learning on the search features.....Where did you go to learn these search options? Is there a place where I can see all the types of searches? 

Thanks

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 1 2014 5:31 PM

Mike Tourangeau:
Is there a place where I can see all the types of searches? 

Mike,

I imagine you're acquainted with the search syntax we've had for awhile.

The new search features are documented here, here, here, and here.

Logos 6 helps even more with completing a search. Go to morph search and start a search just for Greek imperatives. Set the Bible and enter the @ sign and select Verb:

Then select Mood:Imperative. Your search will look like this:

Then enter the Boolean term WITHIN with the syntax for a speaker search for Jesus: {Speaker <Person Jesus>}:

This isn't a morph search but click on Bible Search and see what appears very nicely:

All the required syntax has been provided.

This search will run on a RI enabled Bible (I ran it on the NASB95).

(Note that I used WITHIN this time (the suggestion given in the Basic and Bible searches) and not AND. The AND search produces 586 verses and the WITHIN search produces 575. I haven't tried to sort out the differences.)

As you also know Logos tries to help you with search terms. Under Basic and Bible Search you will see the syntax for a Speaker search (as well as the Factbook search terms and others). Under Morph search the help is more focused on that search alone, but we can combine terms in L6 so we can do combine morph AND searches for things like Speaker back in a RI enabled Bible. (If that was in L5 I never saw it or used it.)

Anyway that's how I did it, and I am no whiz at advanced searching.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 1 2014 7:01 PM

Mark Smith:
The new search features are documented here, here, here, and here.

Thanks....Not sure how I missed "Milestone" ....Great feature!

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