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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2010 7:46 PM

If you like using multiple monitors with Logos4, but are out of monitor connections on your PC/laptop...instead of grappling with adding graphics cards, consider instead using the USB 2.0 External Video Adapter technology on the market.

I recently bought the ArkView USB-2011 from TigerDirect; each device lets me connect a monitor with up to 1920x1200 DPI--there are many other manufacturers/models/resellers.  I had a couple high-res monitors sitting around, so I hooked them up, tilted them, and now have two deluxe reading panes next to my main monitors (see photo).  With Logos4's layouts feature, it is really easy to snap windows on all the monitors back and forth.

The USB cable is rather short, so you'll probably need a monitor cable to reach between the PC-connected ArkView and the monitor itself.  At these high resolutions, I use DVI connections (my old high-res monitors were made before HDMI).  I wouldn't know I was using a USB-connected monitor except on boot-up (the monitors think they are mirrors of the main one until I log into Vista) & when I quickly scroll through a long document I see a little rippling on the screen as it updates...but it is really minor.  I can even play video through Windows Media Player, which I didn't think these devices would do.  I'm really impressed...especially at these higher resolutions.  If you only want lower resolutions, there are slightly cheaper models...but I'd suggest the extra $15 is well worth being future-proofed.

WARNING: I use Vista64, and the install CD that came with this product wasn't 64-bit ready.  If you are using Vista64 or Win7, install the DisplayLink driver from the DisplayLink web site, then install the newest ArkView software from the ArkView website, reboot, then plug in the ArkView box(es).  It takes one ArkView per extra monitor & you can add up to 6 additional monitors that way.  Since USB 2.0 is half-duplex, I suggest plugging these straight into a PC USB port (not via a USB hub) and definately not hubbed with a USB hard drive that your PC uses a lot.   I used the install CD & it was stupid enough to try to install onto Vista64.

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Jim Dunne | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 8:11 PM

Ward Walker:
ArkView USB-2011

What a neat gadget!  I'm running two monitors, using the two outputs from my video card.  I was curious about how I'd go about adding a 3rd - not for any particular reason, but just "'cause".  Geeked

What do you use to manage the monitors/desktops?  I'm using a beta version of UltraMon 64-bit right now, and it seems pretty good. 

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 8:22 PM

Jim Dunne:

What do you use to manage the monitors/desktops? 

For daily ops, I'm just using Vista itself/dragging windows where I want them.  I could use the ATI Catalyst software that came with my graphics card to do other stuff, but the ATI software is so buggy I've learned to just leave it be.  If I want to change monitor resolution, tilt, what not the DisplayLink software has a little tool that tries to make that easy (see screen shot below), but I am used to Windows' Display Settings feature and prefer to make changes there...it is easy to change the wrong monitor.

Before I had multiple monitors, I used virtual desktops (starting with DoubleDos, if I recall correctly) but never really liked them...I'm visually oriented & once out of sight...out of mind...

 

 

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 8:28 PM

You 'made' me sin (envy)!  Great set up!

Question:  I'm already getting some minor "ripple" issues with only using one extra monitor, would those issues be compounded if I decided to do what you are doing?  (Note: my laptop isn't the fastest thing around either)

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 8:50 PM

Ward Walker:

I don't have this much space on my desk, much less a few spare hi-res monitors sitting around. Wow.

I'm interested in the impact on the speed of graphical rendering. What sort of video card/chip do you have on your computer? (I assume you are using a desktop model. I'm using a laptop and wonder if the build-in video isn't slowing me down already, much less with another monitor attached.)

 

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 10:38 PM

Ward Walker:

If you like using multiple monitors with Logos4, but are out of monitor connections on your PC/laptop...instead of grappling with adding graphics cards, consider instead using the USB 2.0 External Video Adapter technology on the market.

WARNING: Some USB monitors don't support WPF (and thus Logos 4) correctly. Customers have reported that the Logos 4 window can be completely invisible (even on the primary monitor) until the USB monitor is unplugged.

Perhaps some brands work and others don't, but I don't have a list of known good/bad devices. At the very least, DisplayLink lists incompatibilities with WPF applications in their latest driver release notes: http://www.displaylink.com/filestore/release_note/DisplayLink-5.2.22663-release_notes.txt

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Gary O'Neal | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 11:50 AM

Mark A. Smith:
I'm interested in the impact on the speed of graphical rendering. What sort of video card/chip do you have on your computer? (I assume you are using a desktop model. I'm using a laptop and wonder if the build-in video isn't slowing me down already, much less with another monitor attached.)

Mark

I'm using a low-end laptop and L4 has been working fine. I can use dual monitors through the built in video and don't notice any difference in speed.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 12:54 PM

Thanks. I don't have a spare monitor but it is nice to know I could do at least the one extra.

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Daniel Arnott | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 1:43 PM

It's like a Bible Simulator!!

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 4:12 PM

Mark A. Smith:

... What sort of video card/chip do you have on your computer? ...

I have a Dell Studio XPS 435MT Desktop (i7) with an ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series graphics card (dual DVI).  After I got rid of my initial driver problem, I haven't noticed any extra load on my processor...although I'd guess the USB 2.0 bus is pretty max'd...that is why I'm plugging each USB box directly into a USB port on my computer & not into a port replicator.  I've not tried this on a laptop yet, but I plan to within the next two months or so.

Regarding the warning from Logos, I did a lot of research before buying a device--I came to the conclusion that not all USB video extenders were equal.  In my case, I've been pleasantly surprised--it has been all I'd dreamed and very little of what I'd feared.  Don't get me started on Vista64 though... ;-)

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Jeremy White | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 4:28 PM

I also have 4 monitors using a Matrox TripleHead2Go running off my Compaq 8710w laptop. Logos runs fine using it. What I like about the Triplehead is it also allows me to run a 3 video projector setup as well.

I was thinking out loud about getting another one so I could have a 6 screen setup but that got "vetoed" Crying

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Doug | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 6:25 AM

Wow!  After setting up my i7 system last night, it's probably going to be a while before I have any more $ to expand.  But I'm thinking that I know where my next hardware expenditure will be allocated!  Thanks for the tip Ward.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 10 2010 5:07 AM

Bradley Grainger:

WARNING: Some USB monitors don't support WPF (and thus Logos 4) correctly. Customers have reported that the Logos 4 window can be completely invisible (even on the primary monitor) until the USB monitor is unplugged.

Perhaps some brands work and others don't, but I don't have a list of known good/bad devices. At the very least, DisplayLink lists incompatibilities with WPF applications in their latest driver release notes: http://www.displaylink.com/filestore/release_note/DisplayLink-5.2.22663-release_notes.txt

I had exactly this problem - invisible Logos (though all the links worked!) with a DisplayPort monitor.

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Trey Selman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 10 2010 6:29 AM

Bradley Grainger:
I don't have a list of known good/bad devices.

Use 2 different displaylink adapters on Win7 tablet. Adapters have not been used at the same time, but each one has been used with extended display along with built in VGA out - (3 monitors) laptop display,external monitor with VGA out, external monitor with usb device. Both usb adapters have worked with 4.0b betas and RC1

  • EVGA UV Plus+ 16: uses DL-1x0 chip, driver - 5.2.22617.0
  • Lenovo USB-to-DVI Adapter: uses newer DL-1x5 chip, driver - 5.2.22617.0 [better performance in all applications]
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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 10 2010 7:21 AM

I'm using Win7-64 - I don't know if that makes a difference. I also tried installing the 5.3beta drivers, but that wouldn't even allow me to boot! In my case I don't really mind - I'm only using DisplayLink whilst I wait for a new DVI cable to be delivered. I'll just be patient.

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Trey Selman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 20 2010 1:20 PM

I also am on 64 bit win7.

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Bruce Downes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 24 2010 1:07 PM

I am using a MacBook Pro (Apple). I would like to set up two more monitors. Does anyone know how to do this. Thanks Bruce

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 24 2010 1:38 PM

Hey Bruce, I decided to hook up an old Dell flat panel monitor with DVI (S-Video) outputs to my new Mac desktop (with Mini Display Port) over the summer and I found with a little research on the subject all you should need is a $30 connector from Best Buy.  Here's my BB review that might help you get started with the right hookups.  I used wikipedia to understand the various types of DVI ports.  Make sure you buy the right kind!!!

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Timothy Ha | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 24 2010 2:23 PM

Trey Selman:

Bradley Grainger:
I don't have a list of known good/bad devices.

Use 2 different displaylink adapters on Win7 tablet. Adapters have not been used at the same time, but each one has been used with extended display along with built in VGA out - (3 monitors) laptop display,external monitor with VGA out, external monitor with usb device. Both usb adapters have worked with 4.0b betas and RC1

  • EVGA UV Plus+ 16: uses DL-1x0 chip, driver - 5.2.22617.0
  • Lenovo USB-to-DVI Adapter: uses newer DL-1x5 chip, driver - 5.2.22617.0 [better performance in all applications]

Could you please name your Win7 tablet model?  You mentioned a Lenovo adapter.  Would it work with my Asus EeePC tablet with Win7 ?  Could not find this information on Lenovo support site (http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-72682.html)

 

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