4.0b Beta 3: (Performance) Very slow boot: 45 seconds on a fast machine

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 12 2010 5:51 AM | Locked

Just trying to nail down some areas that need performance tuning.

After a cold boot on my machine, with nothing else running and no indexing going on, Logos takes 45 seconds to boot up into a simple layout with just ESV open.

Desktop | Windows Experience Index 5.6 | Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q6600 (2.40 GHz) | 8 GB RAM | NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT w/ 512 MB RAM | Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP2.

Log file attached: 4540.SlowBoot.zip

EDIT: Note that ESV was open already last time I closed Logos, so it's opening it up by itself, I'm not interacting with it at all. And the Interlinear panel was open. I'll test it again with this stuff closed. But still, 45 seconds to open up with one resource you had open last time is pretty slow!

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 6:10 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
After a cold boot on my machine, with nothing else running and no indexing going on, Logos takes 45 seconds to boot up into a simple layout with just ESV open.

 

Well, on my machine it is a couple of seconds slower than B2, but not as slow as you are seeing:

Cold boot, initial start: 21 seconds

2nd start: 15 seconds

MBP 2.8 Mhz, 4Gb Ram, Fusion 3.01, Win 7

 

 

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 6:13 AM | Locked

I just installed beta 3 after I had already done the speed test on beta 2.

Beta 2 = 22 seconds

Beta 3 = 14.8 seconds.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 6:16 AM | Locked

Cold booth took an unbelievable 55 seconds, including opening up the Esv.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 6:18 AM | Locked

After closing Logos and restarting it to a blank desktop, it took 15 seconds.

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Greg Gray | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 9:02 AM | Locked

My start up time is near double what it was for 4a (plus a wait time for parallel resources to load).

4a was 22 seconds.

4b is 22 seconds until I can see my layout, but then another 18 seconds until the little spinning wheel goes away and the program will respond to any commands.

 

Also, on my system it is almost another 25 seconds before all of my parallel resource icons are visible.

 

So 4a was 22 seconds to be able to use the program (and all of its features)

4b is 22 seconds to load, 18 seconds to "think", 25 seconds to load parallel resources tool - for a total of 65 seconds.

 

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2010 10:30 AM | Locked

Has performance improved in Beta 9? 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2010 9:36 PM | Locked

Melissa Snyder:

Has performance improved in Beta 9? 

Yes, it is faster. It boots up to a layout with just ESV open with interlinear panel in about 18-20 seconds now.

But....there's still a lot of that unnecessary and visually sloppy repainting going on -- windows getting created visible the wrong size and then repainting at their full maximized size (I run Logos maximized all the time and it remembers that when it opens back up again).  If development could pay attention to my suggestion to create those windows invisible first and then set them to visible only after all their content has been painted, then even more performance improvements will be achieved, and the sloppy boot sequence would be cleaned up. And why can't they be created the correct size from the get-go? Why create them the default size and then resize them after?

You said you'd reported my previous thread about this (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/7608.aspx) to development, but it sounds like they haven't taken it into account yet. Are they open to being nudged about it, do you think?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2010 9:48 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
.there's still a lot of that unnecessary and visually sloppy repainting going on -- windows getting created visible the wrong size and then repainting at their full maximized size

Very true

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 1:12 AM | Locked

Under a warm booth, a blank desktop is taking twelve seconds.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 1:19 AM | Locked

Lynden Williams:

Under a warm booth, a blank desktop is taking twelve seconds.

That should have said restarting Logos takes twelve seconds.

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George Allakhverdyan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 1:27 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:

Melissa Snyder:

Has performance improved in Beta 9? 

And why can't they be created the correct size from the get-go? Why create them the default size and then resize them after?

You said you'd reported my previous thread about this (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/7608.aspx) to development, but it sounds like they haven't taken it into account yet. Are they open to being nudged about it, do you think?

Rosie I have repro'd the exact behavior with My Library window docked in a panel but on my computer it is almost unnoticeable it happens so quick. I looked up that case and it does have a link to your post and it has a link to this thread now too.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 1:43 AM | Locked

George Allakhverdyan:

Rosie Perera:

Melissa Snyder:

Has performance improved in Beta 9? 

And why can't they be created the correct size from the get-go? Why create them the default size and then resize them after?

You said you'd reported my previous thread about this (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/7608.aspx) to development, but it sounds like they haven't taken it into account yet. Are they open to being nudged about it, do you think?

Rosie I have repro'd the exact behavior with My Library window docked in a panel but on my computer it is almost unnoticeable it happens so quick. I looked up that case and it does have a link to your post and it has a link to this thread now too.

Thanks, George.  You must have a very fast computer indeed if it's barely noticeable. My Windows Experience Index is 5.6. My system specs include:
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2400 MHz.
Physical Memory : 8192 MB (4 x 2048 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT

And I'm still seeing a noticeable flashing of all these windows of different sizes, which takes about 10 seconds from the time the Logos app window is first visible to the time all the flashing stops, even with this simplest layout of just ESV open on startup.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 1:45 AM | Locked

George Allakhverdyan:

Rosie Perera:

Melissa Snyder:

Has performance improved in Beta 9? 

And why can't they be created the correct size from the get-go? Why create them the default size and then resize them after?

You said you'd reported my previous thread about this (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/7608.aspx) to development, but it sounds like they haven't taken it into account yet. Are they open to being nudged about it, do you think?

Rosie I have repro'd the exact behavior with My Library window docked in a panel but on my computer it is almost unnoticeable it happens so quick. I looked up that case and it does have a link to your post and it has a link to this thread now too.

George I have to concur with you, but I have experienced what Rosie is saying this evening/morning, even with Beta10.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 2:12 AM | Locked

Lynden Williams:

Lynden Williams:

Under a warm booth, a blank desktop is taking twelve seconds.

That should have said restarting Logos takes twelve seconds.

 

Did a cold boot and L4 took 48 seconds to load and display the Net Bible. Closed software and restarted, this time it took 13 seconds to load the same screen.

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George Allakhverdyan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 2:48 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:

Thanks, George.  You must have a very fast computer indeed if it's barely noticeable. My Windows Experience Index is 5.6. My system specs include:
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2400 MHz.
Physical Memory : 8192 MB (4 x 2048 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT

And I'm still seeing a noticeable flashing of all these windows of different sizes, which takes about 10 seconds from the time the Logos app window is first visible to the time all the flashing stops, even with this simplest layout of just ESV open on startup.

I like your computer specs! Although I am running:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3200MHZ

Memory: 4 GB (2 x 2048 @ 973MHz ~ PC8500 DDR2)

GPU: Nvidia 8800GT

I don't remember my windows exp rating I will update that when I'm at home. I'm wondering how it does that on your computer even with a simple layout, does it do it with a blank layout?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2010 12:11 AM | Locked

George Allakhverdyan:

I'm wondering how it does that on your computer even with a simple layout, does it do it with a blank layout?

Yes, it does it with a blank layout too. Here's a video of it, slowed down to half speed so you (and the developers) can better see all the unnecessary window moving and resizing.

I can see 5 distinct window operations going on, when the users should be seeing just one at this point:

1) Main window is created (visible) default size in default position on screen.
2) Main window is maximized.
3) Main window is restored to default size in default position.
4) Main window is moved (still same size) to upper left corner of screen
5) Main window is maximized.

All of that should not be happening. The main window should be created maximized to begin with, since the last time I closed Logos I left it maximized. The Windows API has an option for creating a window already maximized. You don't need to create it and then reposition and then resize it after creating it.

Here it is in real time. All the flashing is still quite noticeable:

http://www.screencast.com/t/YTU2OTVmNWI

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