4.0b Beta 3: (Performance) Very slow boot: 45 seconds on a fast machine

Just trying to nail down some areas that need performance tuning.

After a cold boot on my machine, with nothing else running and no indexing going on, Logos takes 45 seconds to boot up into a simple layout with just ESV open.

Log file attached: 4540.SlowBoot.zip

EDIT: Note that ESV was open already last time I closed Logos, so it's opening it up by itself, I'm not interacting with it at all. And the Interlinear panel was open. I'll test it again with this stuff closed. But still, 45 seconds to open up with one resource you had open last time is pretty slow!

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Terry Poperszky

After a cold boot on my machine, with nothing else running and no indexing going on, Logos takes 45 seconds to boot up into a simple layout with just ESV open.

Well, on my machine it is a couple of seconds slower than B2, but not as slow as you are seeing:

Cold boot, initial start: 21 seconds

2nd start: 15 seconds

MBP 2.8 Mhz, 4Gb Ram, Fusion 3.01, Win 7

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/74878#Comment_74878

I just installed beta 3 after I had already done the speed test on beta 2.

Beta 2 = 22 seconds

Beta 3 = 14.8 seconds.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/74878#Comment_74878

Cold booth took an unbelievable 55 seconds, including opening up the Esv.

Windows 7 Home Premium. The beta is installed on a limited user which seems to run faster, as it has less stuff loading up at startup.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/74881#Comment_74881

After closing Logos and restarting it to a blank desktop, it took 15 seconds.

Greg Gray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/74883#Comment_74883

My start up time is near double what it was for 4a (plus a wait time for parallel resources to load).

4a was 22 seconds.

4b is 22 seconds until I can see my layout, but then another 18 seconds until the little spinning wheel goes away and the program will respond to any commands.

Also, on my system it is almost another 25 seconds before all of my parallel resource icons are visible.

So 4a was 22 seconds to be able to use the program (and all of its features)

4b is 22 seconds to load, 18 seconds to "think", 25 seconds to load parallel resources tool - for a total of 65 seconds.

Melissa Snyder

Has performance improved in Beta 9?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/92947#Comment_92947

Has performance improved in Beta 9?

Yes, it is faster. It boots up to a layout with just ESV open with interlinear panel in about 18-20 seconds now.

But....there's still a lot of that unnecessary and visually sloppy repainting going on -- windows getting created visible the wrong size and then repainting at their full maximized size (I run Logos maximized all the time and it remembers that when it opens back up again). If development could pay attention to my suggestion to create those windows invisible first and then set them to visible only after all their content has been painted, then even more performance improvements will be achieved, and the sloppy boot sequence would be cleaned up. And why can't they be created the correct size from the get-go? Why create them the default size and then resize them after?

You said you'd reported my previous thread about this (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/7608.aspx) to development, but it sounds like they haven't taken it into account yet. Are they open to being nudged about it, do you think?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93262#Comment_93262

.there's still a lot of that unnecessary and visually sloppy repainting going on -- windows getting created visible the wrong size and then repainting at their full maximized size

Very true

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93272#Comment_93272

Under a warm booth, a blank desktop is taking twelve seconds.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93302#Comment_93302

Under a warm booth, a blank desktop is taking twelve seconds.

That should have said restarting Logos takes twelve seconds.

George Allakhverdyan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93262#Comment_93262

Has performance improved in Beta 9?

And why can't they be created the correct size from the get-go? Why create them the default size and then resize them after?

You said you'd reported my previous thread about this (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/7608.aspx) to development, but it sounds like they haven't taken it into account yet. Are they open to being nudged about it, do you think?

Rosie I have repro'd the exact behavior with My Library window docked in a panel but on my computer it is almost unnoticeable it happens so quick. I looked up that case and it does have a link to your post and it has a link to this thread now too.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93305#Comment_93305

Has performance improved in Beta 9?

And why can't they be created the correct size from the get-go? Why create them the default size and then resize them after?

You said you'd reported my previous thread about this (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/7608.aspx) to development, but it sounds like they haven't taken it into account yet. Are they open to being nudged about it, do you think?

Rosie I have repro'd the exact behavior with My Library window docked in a panel but on my computer it is almost unnoticeable it happens so quick. I looked up that case and it does have a link to your post and it has a link to this thread now too.

Thanks, George. You must have a very fast computer indeed if it's barely noticeable. My Windows Experience Index is 5.6. My system specs include:
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2400 MHz.
Physical Memory : 8192 MB (4 x 2048 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT

And I'm still seeing a noticeable flashing of all these windows of different sizes, which takes about 10 seconds from the time the Logos app window is first visible to the time all the flashing stops, even with this simplest layout of just ESV open on startup.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93305#Comment_93305

Has performance improved in Beta 9?

And why can't they be created the correct size from the get-go? Why create them the default size and then resize them after?

You said you'd reported my previous thread about this (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/7608.aspx) to development, but it sounds like they haven't taken it into account yet. Are they open to being nudged about it, do you think?

Rosie I have repro'd the exact behavior with My Library window docked in a panel but on my computer it is almost unnoticeable it happens so quick. I looked up that case and it does have a link to your post and it has a link to this thread now too.

George I have to concur with you, but I have experienced what Rosie is saying this evening/morning, even with Beta10.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93304#Comment_93304

Under a warm booth, a blank desktop is taking twelve seconds.

That should have said restarting Logos takes twelve seconds.

Did a cold boot and L4 took 48 seconds to load and display the Net Bible. Closed software and restarted, this time it took 13 seconds to load the same screen.

Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 Bit, 4GB RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo @2.2 GHZ.

George Allakhverdyan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93307#Comment_93307

Thanks, George. You must have a very fast computer indeed if it's barely noticeable. My Windows Experience Index is 5.6. My system specs include:
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2400 MHz.
Physical Memory : 8192 MB (4 x 2048 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT

And I'm still seeing a noticeable flashing of all these windows of different sizes, which takes about 10 seconds from the time the Logos app window is first visible to the time all the flashing stops, even with this simplest layout of just ESV open on startup.

I like your computer specs! Although I am running:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3200MHZ

Memory: 4 GB (2 x 2048 @ 973MHz ~ PC8500 DDR2)

GPU: Nvidia 8800GT

I don't remember my windows exp rating I will update that when I'm at home. I'm wondering how it does that on your computer even with a simple layout, does it do it with a blank layout?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/93646#Comment_93646

I'm wondering how it does that on your computer even with a simple layout, does it do it with a blank layout?

Yes, it does it with a blank layout too. Here's a video of it, slowed down to half speed so you (and the developers) can better see all the unnecessary window moving and resizing.

[View:http://content.screencast.com/users/rosiep/folders/Default/media/c0f43d1a-9367-4dd8-98e8-f314780f35a5/Boot1_controller.swf:640:498]

I can see 5 distinct window operations going on, when the users should be seeing just one at this point:

1) Main window is created (visible) default size in default position on screen.
2) Main window is maximized.
3) Main window is restored to default size in default position.
4) Main window is moved (still same size) to upper left corner of screen
5) Main window is maximized.

All of that should not be happening. The main window should be created maximized to begin with, since the last time I closed Logos I left it maximized. The Windows API has an option for creating a window already maximized. You don't need to create it and then reposition and then resize it after creating it.

Here it is in real time. All the flashing is still quite noticeable:

http://www.screencast.com/t/YTU2OTVmNWI