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Nathan Riley | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 11 2014 4:50 AM

I recently learned about the ability to add books to Logos on my desktop which is a feature that I love.  The format is a little funky, but it is a huge benefit to be able to add books that I have gotten for free, just having to change the format.  The only issue that I am having with it is once I have added it to my Logos on my desktop, I am unable to find it on my IOS device (iPad or iPhone).  Anyone know of any soluations on how I can view this?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 11 2014 5:07 AM

I assume you are talking about "personal books." Currently, personal books can only be synced using Logos 6 between computers. The mobile apps are not able to view personal books at this time.

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 11 2014 6:17 AM

Yes, personal book sync on iOS is something that has long been awaited and hoped for but has not been implemented yet. With the recent release of Logos 6, they added support for personal book sync across desktop/laptop computers, and we have been told that this is the first step to allowing personal book sync features on iOS.  However, the Logos iOS app has not been updated recently with any major features. The are many major features lacking in the mobile app and I know that many people (myself included) are hoping that this changes soon. I am hopeful that an iOS app update is coming soon that will bring support for personal book sync to iOS.

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 11 2014 10:08 AM

Timothy Taylor:
The are many major features lacking in the mobile app and I know that many people (myself included) are hoping that this changes soon.

The mobile apps are not intended to have the same feature set as the Desktop Logos app.  That said, if you have any suggestions please see here and suggest the features you'd like to see.

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Nathan Riley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 8:07 AM

I will definitely do that Kevin!  this is a feature that I would LOVE to have!  it would be beneficial in so many ways!!!

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 8:31 AM

Nathan Riley:

I will definitely do that Kevin!  this is a feature that I would LOVE to have!  it would be beneficial in so many ways!!!

Nathan, make sure to cast your votes on the main suggestion (click the link below) so that your votes can be added in the right place (instead of starting a new suggestion for it).

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 8:47 AM

Kevin Byford:
The mobile apps are not intended to have the same feature set as the Desktop Logos app.  That said, if you have any suggestions please see here and suggest the features you'd like to see.

Kevin, I have heard many people repeating this line over and over on the forums, but with the amount of money we have invested into our digital libraries with Logos, doesn't it seems like a very realistic expectation that the Logos mobile app will have as many of the desktop features as possible? Sure, I understand that the mobile apps won't have all the bells and whistles that the desktop version has, but the main core engine should be the same or at least the Logos team should be striving for that as a clear and public goal, don't you think?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 9:44 AM

Timothy Taylor:
the main core engine should be the same

Do you realize how much RAM there is in an iPad? That is, how little RAM there is in an iPad. I'm no programmer, but I imagine that sets a few restrictions... That, and all the other specs that are far below desktops and laptops. I'm pretty sure there is a reason iTunes uses separate iPod apps for Podcasts and iTunes U instead of having them integrated like on the computer. And I'm pretty sure I don't want my Verbum app to crash every 5 minutes because it runs out of RAM. I already have another app that does that multiple times a day. There's no doubt the apps can be improved, but I suspect your high expectations will have to wait for the hardware to catch up.

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 10:24 AM

fgh:

There's no doubt the apps can be improved, but I suspect your high expectations will have to wait for the hardware to catch up.

Perhaps you are right. I just figure that they are already so close. I mean the majority of the desktop features are already available on the iOS app (with a few exceptions of course) and I am very thankful for that! It seems like going the last few steps wouldn't be too terribly hard, but I am sure I am over-simplifying things. And again, as I said, all the bells and whistles may not be there but focusing on the core features at least would be really nice. This would just really put Logos one more level above the competition for sure!

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 11:08 AM

fgh:
Do you realize how much RAM there is in an iPad? That is, how little RAM there is in an iPad. I'm no programmer, but I imagine that sets a few restrictions...

Consider this: You can't even open 5 tabs in Safari on an iPad (at least not on my 3rd gen one) and have the iPad keep in memory the page from the first tab! 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 12:35 PM

Timothy Taylor:
I just figure that they are already so close. I mean the majority of the desktop features are already available on the iOS app

??   I've only really begun to look at my Verbum app, but my impression is that it's anything but close. I knew it was barebones. That didn't really bother me, as there was so little I wanted to do on an iPad. Unfortunately, I quickly found out that it couldn't even do that little.

As for whether I am right, an ex-employee just posted this: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/94813/659515.aspx#659515.

alabama24:
Consider this: You can't even open 5 tabs in Safari on an iPad (at least not on my 3rd gen one) and have the iPad keep in memory the page from the first tab! 

If only my iPad had been one month younger, I could have switched it for the newest one, with twice as much RAM.Crying

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 2:41 PM

fgh:
there was so little I wanted to do on an iPad. Unfortunately, I quickly found out that it couldn't even do that little.

The mobile app on iPad excels at being able to read a resource for an extended period of time, especially when you want to make highlights. My basic rule: If I am jumping around from resource to resource rapidly, I use my MacBook. If I am reading one resource at length, I use my iPad.

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 5:43 PM

fgh:
Do you realize how much RAM there is in an iPad? That is, how little RAM there is in an iPad. I'm no programmer, but I imagine that sets a few restrictions...

Actually, the iPad Air 2 has 2 GB of RAM, which would technically meet the official Logos 6 system requirements. I agree that there are still limitations, but my point is simply that it's not as outrageous of an expectation as many are pretending it is, in my humble opinion that is of course. :) The hardware is really not that far behind what's necessary anymore.

fgh:
??   I've only really begun to look at my Verbum app, but my impression is that it's anything but close. I knew it was barebones.

I'm not talking about the Verbum app, I'm talking about the Logos iOS app (let's compare apples with apples), which does have more features than the Verbum app at least from what I remember last time I checked it out. 

The Logos iOS app really is impressive just how it is. It does include many of the core features of the desktop app already:

  • Library
  • Library Search
  • Reading Plans
  • Shared (Community/Faithlife) Reading Plans
  • Highlighting
  • Highlight Documents
  • Notes
  • Notes Sync
  • Highlighting Sync
  • Shared (Community/Faithlife) Notes
  • Favorites
  • Text Comparison
  • Passage Guide
  • Exegetical Guide
  • Bible Word Study Guide complete with version translation graphs
  • Topic Guide
  • Search for Citations
  • Share on Facebook, Faithlife, E-mail, or Twitter
  • Interlinear Text Support
  • Basic Search
  • Bible Search
  • Mobile Ed Courses Support
  • etc.
  • etc.

To say that the iOS app is "anything but close" has got to be insulting to the Logos team, as they have clearly come a long ways with their apps. I've always especially been impressed with the iOS experience when it comes to highlighting, for example. In my opinion, this is an excellent example of Logos taking desktop level functionality and making it available on mobile devices with class. There is no other mobile app that I know of that even comes close to the amazing power, personalization, and customizability that the Logos iOS app offers to Logos customers. Not even Kindle or iBooks come close to what Logos has done with the highlighting features of their mobile apps. Many other features already included in the iOS app are really of desktop level quality. My point is simply that I would like to see that trend continue, I have great faith that it will, and I don't think that should be discouraged.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 5:49 PM

Timothy Taylor:
I'm not talking about the Verbum app, I'm talking about the Logos iOS app (let's compare apples with apples), which does have more features than the Verbum app at least from what I remember last time I checked it out. 

I think that you are confusing the Verbum app with the Vyrso app. AFAIK, the Verbum app has everything that the Logos Bible! App has, plus some of the features of the Faithlife app. (The Verbum app is targeted towards Catholic users).

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 6:04 PM

alabama24:

I think that you are confusing the Verbum app with the Vyrso app. AFAIK, the Verbum app has everything that the Logos Bible! App has, plus some of the features of the Faithlife app. (The Verbum app is targeted towards Catholic users).

That is not what I'm seeing. I'm looking at the Verbum app on my iPad right now and just with a quick look around I can see it is limited.

  • I cannot open any of my top Bibles. I try to open my NASB or my NKJV and others and it doesn't even list them in my library. Finally I got the NLT to open but that's it.
  • Mobile Ed Courses tab is missing
  • At least 10 of my resources are missing in my library resource count (perhaps bibles?).
  • etc. (I'm sure I could find others if I looked around more)

Perhaps I'm missing something?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 6:16 PM

Timothy Taylor:
I cannot open any of my top Bibles. I try to open my NASB or my NKJV and others and it doesn't even list them in my library. Finally I got the NLT to open but that's it.

Did you just download it? If so, it will take a while for everything to populate. If not, then something is wrong... unless you don't actually own those licenses.

Timothy Taylor:
At least 10 of my resources are missing in my library resource count (perhaps bibles?).

Each of the mobile apps has a section of resources available for use for free, which are not available (for free) in the other apps. If you own the licenses to these resources, they should be available in ALL of the mobile apps. 

Timothy Taylor:
Mobile Ed Courses tab is missing

OK. (Out of curiosity, do you use these?) 

Timothy Taylor:
(I'm sure I could find others if I looked around more)

Maybe fgh could chime in... but It is my understanding that Verbum has the faithlife social media features... which the Logos Bible! app does not. 

Based on my understanding of what you wrote, the only "feature" not available is the Mobile Ed courses... 

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 6:50 PM

alabama24:
Based on my understanding of what you wrote, the only "feature" not available is the Mobile Ed courses... 

The Mobile Ed Courses *icon* is not supported on Verbum, by design.  The courses themselves (once purchased) will run fine and can be accessed in the Library. 

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 6:51 PM

Timothy Taylor:
Perhaps I'm missing something?

You might not have waited long enough after a fresh install for the Library to load/index.

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 7:18 PM

Timothy Taylor:
The hardware is really not that far behind what's necessary anymore.

This is a common misconception.  The fastest ARM processor in the fastest iOS device is at least an order of magnitude slower than a run of the mill x86 processor, let alone memory bandwidth, speed, etc.  This is why the mobile apps rely heavily on Logos servers to do the heavy lifting.  Many of the mobile features you mention won't work while offline (yes, we know!) but they *will* work if a Logos Desktop computer is offline.  Even among Desktop machines the performance can be 2-3 orders of magnitude different: http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks 

Timothy Taylor:
To say that the iOS app is "anything but close" has got to be insulting to the Logos team, as they have clearly come a long ways with their apps.

Actually the mobile team is not insulted at all (yes, I'm on the mobile team) and thanks for the compliment, we keep trying to improve the mobile apps.  Both you and fgh are correct, it just depends on the viewpoint.  fgh is a power user and understands there are scores of things that can be done with Logos Desktop (especially Logos 6) that can't be done with the mobile apps.  You are also correct in that there are quite a few Desktop features that are available on mobile (and we want to add more), although many of them are not equivalent in power to the Desktop version.

Timothy Taylor:
My point is simply that I would like to see that trend continue

Don't worry, it will!

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 20 2014 9:05 AM

There are Windows tablets that can run Logos 6 very well, and certainly well enough to read your Personal Books.

The Surface Pro 2 is a very good buy right now, and it runs Logos 6, with Personal Books, very well - better than most desktops.

Gave my iPad away to the grandkids to play games on.  It works really well for that. (If you give your iPad to grandkids, be sure to turn of "in app purchases"!  Lesson learned!)

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