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  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="alabama24"] 1. Publishers are in the business of making money. The money to be had is in PRINTING the books. You assume there is a desire on the part of publishers to see the adoption of ebooks, but that simply isn't the case. Most publishers believe that Amazon has been ruining their business with the sale of cheap ebooks which have devalued
    Posted to General by Sogol on Mon, Dec 16 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="Rosie Perera"] [quote user="Sogol"] I encountered a real example tonight of why I would like to see this model in place. For whatever reason, Logos has not yet been able to get the New Interpreters series into production (both the commentary and dictionary sets). https://www.logos.com/product/8803/new-interpreters-bible https://www.logos
    Posted to General by Sogol on Mon, Dec 16 2013
  • Re: New Interpreter's Bible

    I just posted in another thread about New Interpreters: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/78820/552265.aspx#552265 Basically, I said this.... If Logos and the other major Bible software companies had a licensing consortium similar to what the movie industry has done with UltraViolet ( www.uvvu.com ), then I could buy the New Interpreters Dictionary
    Posted to General by Sogol on Mon, Dec 16 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    I encountered a real example tonight of why I would like to see this model in place. For whatever reason, Logos has not yet been able to get the New Interpreters series into production (both the commentary and dictionary sets). https://www.logos.com/product/8803/new-interpreters-bible https://www.logos.com/product/8801/new-interpreters-dictionary-of
    Posted to General by Sogol on Mon, Dec 16 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="toughski"] This proposal is in essence a change to Logos philosophy. They always said "our software is free, you only pay for resources". I have never understood why they are so adamant about NOT charging for software. Customers still pay, whether you call them "resource surcharge" (over Amazon's price for example) or "additional software
    Posted to General by Sogol on Sun, Dec 15 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="Michael Childs"] It will only happen if enough customers demand it, and if Bible software companies and publishers decide that it is in their financial interest to do it. When people stopped buying MP3 music that they could not play on multiple devices, the companies changed their policies. There is nothing like feeling the heat to help
    Posted to General by Sogol on Sun, Dec 15 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)"] Curious about publisher profit incentive for a consortium ? [/quote] This is an important question. As I mentioned earlier, it seems like the majority of the benefits accrue to the end user. However, some points that may be enticing to publishers include: 1) This model could further accelerate adoption and sale
    Posted to General by Sogol on Sun, Dec 15 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="alabama24"] How would Logos make money? [/quote] The same way they do now. The only difference is that when you buy a resource from Logos your purchase would give you two different licenses (one from the publisher/consortium and one from Logos) instead of just the one license from Logos. Though it would be invisible to users, a simplified
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="George Somsel"] [quote user="Sogol"]I don't know how all the details work, but when you purchase a movie from, say Vudu.com (Walmart), it immediately shows up as a license I own in my UltraViolet account. Then any other movie service linked to my UltraViolet account can see that I own that license and grant me access to it on their service
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="mc"] I think Sogol's idea is great if the different software companies can come to an agreement. However, I think the idea would probably only work best for reader applications where minimal labor/costs were utilized so that resources can be read. I suspect the additional costs for being able to use Logos software would still be fairly
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="George Somsel"] The ONLY COMMONALITY between Logos resources and other companies' resources is the text. They might be able to transcribe the resource once and share it, but the tagging is proprietary to each company. [/quote] You're a very advanced user, George. So you probably don't consider the other companies' products as major competitors
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="Sogol"]The publishers would set a standard price for the digital license. The Bible software companies could mark it up if they want to try and sell it that way, but that doesn't make a lot of sense because they are really making their money on the platform fees they charge. Earth to Sogol, if you haven't noticed, Logos doesn't charge for
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="George Somsel"] [quote user="Sogol"] Bill & George, I don't want to drag you into another tagging/standards discussion, but maybe I don't understand it well enough to know how it pertains to my suggestion. I am merely suggesting that a user can use a single digital license on any participating Bible software platform. However, this does
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="Denise"] I think Sogol's idea is absolutely great . We're talking 'licenses'; not the literal resource files. One big reason I hold and buy for Libronix is 'licenses'. Logos Inc gets caught in a car wreck? Unfortunate, but my licenses aren't a function of whatever contracts Logos has in the aftermath. Sogol's idea solves much of the risk
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    [quote user="Super.Tramp"] I am 100% against Logos participating in this type of arrangement. I have no desire to read my books in Accordance or WordSearch. A few years back I decided to make the Logos format my standard . I prefer Logos not waste their time. [/quote] You would certainly have the option to just use one platform, such as Logos. If you
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    NÖ [quote] Sogol , Your suggestion would mean more software development efforts - something which is not always easy because of many reasons. Most publishers would not agree on content being available in a web-browser. [/quote] It doesn't have to be available in a web-browser, though that's a possibility. And doesn't Logos already offer web access through
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    Bill & George, I don't want to drag you into another tagging/standards discussion, but maybe I don't understand it well enough to know how it pertains to my suggestion. I am merely suggesting that a user can use a single digital license on any participating Bible software platform. However, this does not mean that there would be any communication between
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    I should also ask: if nearly all the major movie/media companies, which are notorious for massive egos, could work together with the some of the largest retailers in the country (Walmart, Target, Best Buy - all competitors, mind you) to make UltraViolet happen, how could the much smaller Bible software industry (largely filled with Christians) not be
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Re: Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    To clarify, it would be up to each Bible software company to take the basic text of a book and enhance it however they want. The tagging and software capabilities they provide are what would entice users to pay to use licenses on their platform. The better the platform, the more attractive it would be to users. It's even possible that there would be
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
  • Bible software companies should consider UltraViolet model

    I think that the major Bible software companies should work together with the Christian Publishers to form a consortium similar to what the movie industry has done with UltraViolet (www.uvvu.com). By doing so, users could pay for the digital content once, yet they would be able to access it on whichever Bible software platforms they choose (Logos, Accordance
    Posted to General by Sogol on Thu, Dec 12 2013
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