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  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Butters"] It's funny, it never ever fails. I have seen it over and over again in many different environments. It's invariably the very people who continually trumpet the importance of civility in discussion - and are ever calling for "tolerance" and "politeness" - who are the quickest to display the very behavior they rail against. Absolutely
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    It's funny, it never ever fails. I have seen it over and over again in many different environments. It's invariably the very people who continually trumpet the importance of civility in discussion - and are ever calling for "tolerance" and "politeness" - who are the quickest to display the very behavior they rail against. Absolutely classic. LOL. ~Butters
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="David Paul"]Approaching this from another perspective, tolerance nearly always "holds its tongue", but love is rarely capable of such behavior. Leaving others be to harm themselves in ignorance is hate, not love. But love knows that it can't force others, so after a word or two, it often bides its time. [/quote] Magnificent post Monsieur
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Richard DeRuiter"] [quote user="Butters"]It isn't hard to see what is really going on by this time in the thread.[/quote] Agreed, though we obviously see it differently. [/quote] True enough. However, there's another difference: I believe our differences are worth pursuing, and pursuing them passionately; and I think they are worth pursuing
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Can't find Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, by Ludwig Ott

    [quote user="fgh"] [quote user="Dan Francis"]at one time publishing it without CR info was enough to have it fall into into public domain[/quote] I believe that was true in the US, so the translation as such may well be in PD, but Ott was German, so his copyright to the text itself should follow German law, or rather the Berne Convention, which the
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Milford Charles Murray"] [quote user="Richard DeRuiter"] [quote user="Butters"]That's what's really going on here.[/quote] I don't believe you. I do believe the poster's stated intent was to call for polite, forbearing and hospitable discussion (my restatement of his request) - even if in his call for such he was inconsistent in stating
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Richard DeRuiter"] [quote user="Butters"]That's what's really going on here.[/quote] I don't believe you. I do believe the poster's stated intent was to call for polite, forbearing and hospitable discussion (my restatement of his request) - even if in his call for such he was inconsistent in stating that intent. You believe otherwise. Fine
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Milford Charles Murray"] Peace, Butters! I looked up your Sherlock Holmes segment and enjoyed it............ this post is to attempt to send the link again for others' perusal ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M76nPnaJ7G4 [/quote] Hah! Yes, it's good isn't it? Here's a scene that displays Brett's extraordinary talent as an actor. Watch
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    The OP is not yearning for kindness or for politeness per se. His perception of "politeness" and "kindness" is mediated by something else. That "something else" is his desire to be affirmed and approved of, here and elsewhere. The word "tolerance" is being used as a kind of veil to make that^ yearning sound more palatable, even supremely reasonable
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Jonathan Pitts"] [quote user="Jack Caviness"] [quote user="Jonathan Pitts"]What I am asking for is tolerance of other people's views, not because we agree with them but because this is not the place to challenge them[/quote] [quote user="Jonathan Pitts"]I am sorry if I have failed in my own tolerance. It remains a noble aim none the less
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Jonathan Pitts"] I am sorry if I have failed in my own tolerance. It remains a noble aim none the less. [/quote] Personally, I think people really need to re-evaluate their use of this word "tolerance" - it's being profoundly misused; and is being treated as if it were a kind of high virtue (it is not.) Have you noticed that no great thinker
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Josh"] [quote user="Butters"] I know, don't remind me....lol. I don't have a television (and didn't grow up with one) and every time I am in an airport I am reminded of how utterly bereft of reasoning our public "conversations" are. Cheers! ~Butters [/quote] This makes me wonder how you settled upon the username Butters (with included avatar
    Posted to General by Butters on Sat, Sep 14 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Bill Coley"] An amended colloquial definition : If in response to a colloquial definition you employ Aristotle's Principle of Non-Contradiction, you're opinionated . [/quote] LOL! ~Butters
    Posted to General by Butters on Fri, Sep 13 2013
  • Re: Can't find Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, by Ludwig Ott

    hmmmm....well the copy I have is the exact same as the Tan/Herder, but is from "Roman Catholic Books," lol. And no copyright page/citation or anything. So maybe they were pirating it too? Or maybe it's PD? I'm actually not sure who owns the copyright. TAN is supposedly coming out with a newly-typset volume of the same; so I thought they might own the
    Posted to General by Butters on Fri, Sep 13 2013
  • Re: Chesterton's "The Man Who Was Orthodox"

    Thanks Mike - interesting. If it's from 1905, then no doubt you're correct that the original was "truth" - I hadn't come across that one. Like most prolific writers (and he out-prolificked the even the prolickerist), he recycled turns of phrases that he liked. Cheers, ~Butters
    Posted to Suggestions by Butters on Fri, Sep 13 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Paul Golder"] [quote user="Butters"]You're going to have to clarify that for me. [/quote] Let me put it this way: Suppose, just suppose that we are living in a day and age where tolerance and acceptance are desired and striven for above all. Would not the eventual denouement be the loss of that which is absolute? [/quote] Well, the absolute
    Posted to General by Butters on Fri, Sep 13 2013
  • Re: @Butters! *smile*

    [quote user="Milford Charles Murray"] Peace to you in the Lord! *smile* I received this a few minutes ago from Community Pricing. Unfortunately the wonderful $4.00 price has "shot up" top $15.00 (American dollars!) From the tone of many of your posts, this might be the kind of resources that you would appreciate??? Don't know if you received it -- or
    Posted to General by Butters on Fri, Sep 13 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Paul Golder"] [quote user="Butters"]...willingness to defy Aristotle's Principle of Non-Contradiction.[/quote] Have you not read Orwell (or watched the current media)? [/quote] I know, don't remind me....lol. I don't have a television (and didn't grow up with one) and every time I am in an airport I am reminded of how utterly bereft of
    Posted to General by Butters on Fri, Sep 13 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Bill Coley"] A colloquial definition: If you're more interested in others' hearing your opinions than your hearing theirs, you're opinionated . The state of opinionation (try to find that one in your dictionary!) is not the exclusive province of any particular theological/political/socio-economic community. Opinions don't cause opinionation;
    Posted to General by Butters on Fri, Sep 13 2013
  • Re: Is everyone welcome here?

    [quote user="Paul Golder"] [quote user="Butters"]Does that make sense? Or even begin to answer your question?[/quote] I see. Then one could even say that to seek tolerance in one's journey at the expense of the firm conviction of others, will most assuredly lead to areas where the truth will never be found. [/quote] You're going to have to clarify that
    Posted to General by Butters on Fri, Sep 13 2013
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