NA 28

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694208#Comment_694208

My friend recently purchased NA 28 which she really likes. However, there is one thing that she is missing now. When she hovers over a word she sees the morphological information, like usual. However, she does not see the translation of the word anymore. Since I don't have NA28 I was wondering what happened. Does anyone know this? And if it is not possible anymore to see it, I was wondering if there are plans to put it in in the future.

Patrick

Patrick, I have the NA28 and it does supply the glosses when you hover over the Greek words. IIRC those were left out initially but have been restored. Even if my memory is not correct, the glosses are there now.

GregW

My friend recently purchased NA 28 which she really likes. However, there is one thing that she is missing now. When she hovers over a word she sees the morphological information, like usual. However, she does not see the translation of the word anymore. Since I don't have NA28 I was wondering what happened. Does anyone know this? And if it is not possible anymore to see it, I was wondering if there are plans to put it in in the future.

Patrick

I certainly get the glosses when I hover over the word in NA28 on the desktop. It might be worth your friend typing "update now" in the command box to make sure she's got the latest version. I do seem to remember a problem earlier on with it where the glosses didn't show. If that is the case, then an update should resolve it. The other thing she could try is to see if the glosses appear in the SBL Greek New Testament (a free resource). If they're not appearing there, then it's not to do with the resource file itself but I don't think there is a system-wide setting that would stop them appearing.

It might be worth getting her to upload logs and say what platform she's running on then some of the clever types on the forums might drop by and diagnose the problem.

Don Awalt

The glosses are there in the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, 28th Edition, but not with Nestle-Aland: Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Auflage, which could come up first when you type "NA28" in the command box, depending on which you used, when. Be sure you have the correct resource up!

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694214#Comment_694214

I bought the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, 28th Edition, with Critical Apparatus and it appears in my library as Nestle-Aland: Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Auflage. I don't have glosses, which is really annoying. I am not sure why they are not included in such a premium product.

I have the NA28 with critical apparatus and I am happy to report that I DO NOT have glosses.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694214#Comment_694214

The glosses are there in the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, 28th Edition, but not with Nestle-Aland: Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Auflage, which could come up first when you type "NA28" in the command box, depending on which you used, when. Be sure you have the correct resource up!

That kicks in the memory of what transpired. Before the apparatus was published (which took over a year) Logos released a version of the NA28 that did/does have the glosses. The newer version that contains the apparatus does not have the glosses.

If you purchased the NA28 after the apparatus was published, you should have but one NA28 listed in your Library. That version will not have the glosses.

I can only find the apparatus-equipped version on the Logos web site. Restoring the glosses should not be hard. Perhaps we can hear from someone at Logos about why those have not been added.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694242#Comment_694242

I am happy to report that I DO NOT have glosses.

You'd ignore them anyway. Do you actually make use of the morphology, George?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694245#Comment_694245

I am happy to report that I DO NOT have glosses.

You'd ignore them anyway. Do you actually make use of the morphology, George?

Well, I sometimes confirm my judgment.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694214#Comment_694214

The glosses are there in the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, 28th Edition, but not with Nestle-Aland: Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Auflage, which could come up first when you type "NA28" in the command box, depending on which you used, when. Be sure you have the correct resource up!

Whatever this may mean, it sounds consistent to how NA worked in the previous 27th edition. The blue N-A "Novum Testamentum Graece Edition XXVII" which per its short title is NA 27 with Apparatus does not include the glosses, whereas the red N-A "Greek New Testament 27th edition" does. Maybe the German Bible Society enforces this on purpose.

Scott E. Mahle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694244#Comment_694244

I can only find the apparatus-equipped version on the Logos web site.

Both are available on the Logos website but the morphology edition is only available as part of a base package.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694242#Comment_694242

I have the NA28 with critical apparatus and I am happy to report that I DO NOT have glosses.

I can appreciate this George but my guess is that you would be among the few that would think this way. Personally I really miss not having everything that the NA28 has without the critical apparatus but I still want the apparatus so I have compensated by using the "information" tab instead.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694278#Comment_694278

I'd suspect everyone's waiting on the NA28 McReynolds interlinear. Except for George.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694276#Comment_694276

Both are available on the Logos website but the morphology edition is only available as part of a base package.

I did see that. I should have been more clear. One cannot purchase the NA28 with the glosses independently. So if you don't get a new base package (or have one with it) it's not available to you. I'm not sure I understand Logos' thinking on this one.

Scott E. Mahle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694310#Comment_694310

I'm not sure I understand Logos' thinking on this one.

Neither do I. The apparatus states it contains two separate and distinct resources – the morph text and the apparatus. Why wouldn’t that also contain the glosses?[:^)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694326#Comment_694326

I'm not sure I understand Logos' thinking on this one.

Neither do I. The apparatus states it contains two separate and distinct resources – the morph text and the apparatus. Why wouldn’t that also contain the glosses?

Because you should use a lexicon, such as BDAG (precisely this one).

Scott E. Mahle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694332#Comment_694332

Because you should use a lexicon, such as BDAG (precisely this one).

LOL! Well, of course! Why didn't I think of that [:P] Thanks for the reminder, George. [:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694332#Comment_694332

Because you should use a lexicon, such as BDAG (precisely this one).

I do understand George's thinking on this one.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694336#Comment_694336

Because you should use a lexicon, such as BDAG (precisely this one).

George, when you started learning Greek for the first time in your life, did you start using BDAG?

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694387#Comment_694387

Because you should use a lexicon, such as BDAG (precisely this one).

George, when you started learning Greek for the first time in your life, did you start using BDAG?

I'm not George, but I did use BDAG from the beginning. In face, we were forbidden to use anything like the glosses (Logos was not available then). They will only limit your ability to really learn the language.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694417#Comment_694417

I'm not George, but I did use BDAG from the beginning. In face, we were forbidden to use anything like the glosses (Logos was not available then). They will only limit your ability to really learn the language.

Interesting. When I started to learn (classical) Greek at secondary school, I started with little texts and wordlists. I bought my dictionary after two years of classes. Not BDAG, btw. That wouldn't work, since it is not classical Greek and I was not able to read this German dictionary. I started to use BDAG at university.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694417#Comment_694417

I'm not George, but I did use BDAG from the beginning. In face, we were forbidden to use anything like the glosses (Logos was not available then). They will only limit your ability to really learn the language.

When I learned English at secondary school, we started to use a dictionary after 4 years of classes. Using an English dictionary caused a lot of unnatural language. Using a dictionary really limited my ability to learn the language well.

Veli Voipio

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694423#Comment_694423

I've been considering to purchase the NA28 with apparatus. I am happy when the glosses are not there.

But the question is does it have any added value when I already have the NA27 and the CNTTS?

I have BDAG, but I also find https://www.logos.com/product/5773/vocabulary-of-the-greek-testament very useful, although it takes time to wade it. Any opinions?

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694441#Comment_694441

But the question is does it have any added value when I already have the NA27 and the CNTTS?

You may find some elements of answer here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/97940/675324.aspx#675324

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694387#Comment_694387

Because you should use a lexicon, such as BDAG (precisely this one).

George, when you started learning Greek for the first time in your life, did you start using BDAG?

No. BDAG wasn't available. I used it's predecessor, BAG which was the predecessor of BAGD which is what I bought when I started using Logos.

I should correct that. I started using BAG when I started reading NT, but I began studying classical (Plato, Homer, Xenophon, etc) so I used the "Middle Liddell" which you can get from Logos. Occasionally I would go to the library to consult the big megillah—Liddell-Scott-Jones (which was not the same as offered by Logos since it has been supplemented since then).

James Hiddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694417#Comment_694417

Thanks for mentioning this. I'd like to get the NA28 one day.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694496#Comment_694496

BDAG is an excellent tool. However, different lexical resources serve different purposes. When the purpose is to read (quickly) and get a sense of the flow (as opposed to slowly, parsing, analyzing syntax, etc) glosses allow to quickly check an unfamiliar or forgotten word.

What is nice with good, expanded lexical resources is that you get information such as use with specific prepositions, cases and different usages. But imagine yourself learning English and encountering the verb "to get" and not knowing what it is. Reading through the long list of uses in a thorough dictionary is more likely to give you headache and discourage you than to help you "get" it.

Beyond thorough lexica, there are also theological lexical resources which are for another kind of query yet.

So shorter propositions can be of use as well. But I can see why it may seem to some "unscholarly". The question is this: if you don't need to look up the word, what does it matter to you that glosses appear? If you already know the word, ignore it. If you don't trust glosses, what keeps you from going to BDAG or whatever other lexicon you think is the Authorized Version even if you see the gloss?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694504#Comment_694504

BDAG is an excellent tool. However, different lexical resources serve different purposes. When the purpose is to read (quickly) and get a sense of the flow (as opposed to slowly, parsing, analyzing syntax, etc) glosses allow to quickly check an unfamiliar or forgotten word.

What is nice with good, expanded lexical resources is that you get information such as use with specific prepositions, cases and different usages. But imagine yourself learning English and encountering the verb "to get" and not knowing what it is. Reading through the long list of uses in a thorough dictionary is more likely to give you headache and discourage you than to help you "get" it.

Beyond thorough lexica, there are also theological lexical resources which are for another kind of query yet.

So shorter propositions can be of use as well. But I can see why it may seem to some "unscholarly". The question is this: if you don't need to look up the word, what does it matter to you that glosses appear? If you already know the word, ignore it. If you don't trust glosses, what keeps you from going to BDAG or whatever other lexicon you think is the Authorized Version even if you see the gloss?

It builds up the mental and study músculos. As they say, "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger." Get into the habit of daily exercise.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694467#Comment_694467

I should correct that. I started using BAG when I started reading NT, but I began studying classical (Plato, Homer, Xenophon, etc) so I used the "Middle Liddell" which you can get from Logos. Occasionally I would go to the library to consult the big megillah—Liddell-Scott-Jones (which was not the same as offered by Logos since it has been supplemented since then).

Cool. So you immediately jumped into those classical text without any other help than a grammar and Liddell? No other textbook?

I am teaching classical Latin at a secondary school. The method we have doesn't use a dictionary for the first three years. In the fourth year they start to use a dictionary. The Latin-Dutch dictionary is great (much better than Lewis and Short in my opinion), but the schoolkids (age 15 years) hate it. There is so much information in the dictionary that they just get drowned in it and completely freeze. I don't think starting with this dictionary from the first year would help them.

Patrick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/694597#Comment_694597

I should correct that. I started using BAG when I started reading NT, but I began studying classical (Plato, Homer, Xenophon, etc) so I used the "Middle Liddell" which you can get from Logos. Occasionally I would go to the library to consult the big megillah—Liddell-Scott-Jones (which was not the same as offered by Logos since it has been supplemented since then).

Cool. So you immediately jumped into those classical text without any other help than a grammar and Liddell? No other textbook?

I am teaching classical Latin at a secondary school. The method we have doesn't use a dictionary for the first three years. In the fourth year they start to use a dictionary. The Latin-Dutch dictionary is great (much better than Lewis and Short in my opinion), but the schoolkids (age 15 years) hate it. There is so much information in the dictionary that they just get drowned in it and completely freeze. I don't think starting with this dictionary from the first year would help them.

Patrick

You amaze me that you are using a Latin-Dutch dictionary in Tanzania. My initial reaction was to think that you were in the Netherlands. This reminds me of what I heard years ago regarding C. S. Lewis. I understand that when he was in school he was studying the Greek classics (I forget precisely which author) he was allowed a pony (For those of you in Rio Lindo, a "pony" is a translation [kind of like an interlinear except it isn't between the lines]), but the pony was in Latin.