Encyclopedia Britannica for Noet is here
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To clear up any confusion, here's a rundown of EBNE's key facts:
-It includes new content that's been updated through 2015.
-The EBNE offers 19,000 general reference articles on topics ranging from Aristotle to Zoology--the articles that are included reach beyond biblical and literary topics, and offer information and media on topics you would expect in a typical Encyclopedia Britannica collection. These articles vary in length and are not meant for in-depth research on their own; instead, they should serve as jumping off points for further research.
-We will be offering EBNE content updates for a small fee. We haven’t worked out the details yet, so I can’t give specifics on pricing and timing, but know that the updates are coming!
-There is no comparable print edition--Encyclopedia Britannica stopped producing their print editions in 2012; the content available in EBNE has since been updated and refined, so there’s no print equivalent we can compare it to. Instead, this resource should be treated as an information database.
-The EBNE also includes more than 25,000 high-resolution videos and images that are all fully searchable and accessible--even when you’re not connected to the Internet.
Hopefully this clears up some of your questions!
Sherri
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Sherri Huleatt said:
-The EBNE also includes more than 25,000 high-resolution videos and images that are all fully searchable and accessible--even when you’re not connected to the Internet.
Thanks Sherri! i plan on letting my son know about this so that he might purchase it for the computer that my grandkids share.
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steve clark said:Sherri Huleatt said:
-The EBNE also includes more than 25,000 high-resolution videos and images that are all fully searchable and accessible--even when you’re not connected to the Internet.
Thanks Sherri! i plan on letting my son know about this so that he might purchase it for the computer that my grandkids share.
Thanks, Steve! That's a great idea
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Sherri Huleatt said:
(...) These articles vary in length and are not meant for in-depth research on their own; instead, they should serve as jumping off points for further research.
Thanks for answering my questions.
The point about the articles not being meant for in-depth research on their own makes me reconsider my pre-pub, especially with the current price of 99$.
The value of the Britannica over Wikipedia are the in-depth, full length articles, written by experts. But I understand only the condensed versions of the articles are included. That reduces the value greatly. For a quick overview of a topic the Wikipedia will do for me.
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I am vacillating on this one, but we can all remember that Logos has a 30 day money back guarantee. I may end up having to take advantage of that once this is released. We'll see.
If, like me, you are a bit uncertain if the content will be beneficial, you can still take this offer and once it's on your computer you can evaluate it and decide whether or not to keep it.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark Smith said:
If, like me, you are a bit uncertain if the content will be beneficial, you can still take this offer and once it's on your computer you can evaluate it and decide whether or not to keep it.
But if, like me once you get something you tend to keep it even though you may not care for it, you may want to think twice about it.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
But if, like me once you get something you tend to keep it even though you may not care for it,
I am like you (at least in this regard).
George Somsel said:you may want to think twice about it
Yes I will.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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According to the video, if this was in print it would have more than 33,000 pages. That equates to around a third of a cent per page. Frankly, I don't really care what it's equivalent to or not. I'm just glad it's available, and amazed it's only $100.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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My daughter will return something to a store at the drop of a hat (fortunately, people don't wear hats much today [caps, yes]).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Mark Barnes said:
According to the video, if this was in print it would have more than 33,000 pages. That equates to around a third of a cent per page. Frankly, I don't really care what it's equivalent to or not. I'm just glad it's available, and amazed it's only $100.
I agree. The print volumes used to cost thousands.
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Mark Barnes said:
According to the video, if this was in print it would have more than 33,000 pages. That equates to around a third of a cent per page. Frankly, I don't really care what it's equivalent to or not. I'm just glad it's available, and amazed it's only $100.
Dear Sherri,
Is the promotional video correct? Does the Noet set actually consist of 32 volumes (33,000 print pages)? I question this description because it would, indeed, be the size of the the print Micro/Macropaedia. Could you please fact check this for us with Britannica: that the Noet set would be the equivalent of 32 print volumes at over 1000 pages a piece?
Thank you for all your help.
[Side Note for others on this forum: I noticed that the video does not claim this resource has that many pages or volumes, but that the print equivalent (i.e., the Micro/Micropaedia) would have so many pages. Equivalent does not necessarily mean "same." For example, a Suburban is the Chevy equivalent to and Cadillac Escalade. My word processor is equivalent to my father's typewriter in how I use it. Nutra-sweet is equivalent to sugar. . . I think you see what I mean. This is why I want to verify this assumption of ours that the Noet edition is indeed 33,000 print pages - which would make it larger than the last print edition of the the Encyclopedia Britannica.
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Sherri is surely a model for "unwearied patience," and we are grateful. Before anyone says, "Sure, Steve, but that's her job," I'll add: before I retired from the pastorate I was supposed to be patient (well, I guess I still am!), but that didn't mean I always cooperated with the Spirit's fruit of patience.
Now for a question I haven't seen asked yet: with all those pictures, and however many tens of thousands of pages, how many GBs would one be adding?
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steve clark said:
he might purchase it for the computer that my grandkids share.
Oh EULA land, sweet EULA land.
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Steve Maling said:
Sherri is surely a model for "unwearied patience," and we are grateful. Before anyone says, "Sure, Steve, but that's her job," I'll add: before I retired from the pastorate I was supposed to be patient (well, I guess I still am!), but that didn't mean I always cooperated with the Spirit's fruit of patience.
Now for a question I haven't seen asked yet: with all those pictures, and however many tens of thousands of pages, how many GBs would one be adding?
Thank you so much for your kind words, Steve! I really appreciate it
As to your question, it's my understanding that since the product isn't ready yet (we still need to go in and tag authors, dates, media, etc.), we don't know what the file size is. I'll double-check with our products team and get back to you as soon as I can!
Thanks again,
Sherri
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Michael Sullivan said:
Dear Sherri,
Is the promotional video correct? Does the Noet set actually consist of 32 volumes (33,000 print pages)? I question this description because it would, indeed, be the size of the the print Micro/Macropaedia. Could you please fact check this for us with Britannica: that the Noet set would be the equivalent of 32 print volumes at over 1000 pages a piece?
Thank you for all your help.
[Side Note for others on this forum: I noticed that the video does not claim this resource has that many pages or volumes, but that the print equivalent (i.e., the Micro/Micropaedia) would have so many pages. Equivalent does not necessarily mean "same." For example, a Suburban is the Chevy equivalent to and Cadillac Escalade. My word processor is equivalent to my father's typewriter in how I use it. Nutra-sweet is equivalent to sugar. . . I think you see what I mean. This is why I want to verify this assumption of ours that the Noet edition is indeed 33,000 print pages - which would make it larger than the last print edition of the the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Hi Michael,
Thanks for your patience! Your side note is correct--Ben was merely trying to make a comparison to better articulate the functionality of EBNE--this edition does not have 33,000 print pages. The reason for this is that EBNE has never been in print--it's only existed as a digital database, so Britannica doesn't have information on page count/volumes. The EBNE has fewer articles than the 32-volume set, but is more media-rich, with thousands of images, videos, and maps not included in print editions.
Sherri
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Sherri Huleatt said:
we don't know what the file size is. I'll double-check with our products team and get back to you as soon as I can!
Thanks again,
Sherri
The bigger the size, the better the Encyclopedia! Bigger means more info.
This was an insta-buy for me.
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Thank you, Sherri, for all the information your have provided.
I think I am able to picture what the this product will be like. Now, I just have to determine if it is a right fit for me.
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Michael Sullivan said:
Thank you, Sherri, for all the information your have provided.
I think I am able to picture what the this product will be like. Now, I just have to determine if it is a right fit for me.
No problem, Michael! I'm happy to help
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Gao Lu said:steve clark said:
he might purchase it for the computer that my grandkids share.
Oh EULA land, sweet EULA land.
Very clever. [:)]
I don't think there is an issue, however. Steve was saying that his SON might purchase it so that STEVE's grandkids (Steve's son's kids) would have access to it. Bob has defined "one user" to include children living at home.
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Sherri Huleatt said:Michael Sullivan said:
Dear Sherri,
Is the promotional video correct? Does the Noet set actually consist of 32 volumes (33,000 print pages)? I question this description because it would, indeed, be the size of the the print Micro/Macropaedia. Could you please fact check this for us with Britannica: that the Noet set would be the equivalent of 32 print volumes at over 1000 pages a piece?
Thank you for all your help.
[Side Note for others on this forum: I noticed that the video does not claim this resource has that many pages or volumes, but that the print equivalent (i.e., the Micro/Micropaedia) would have so many pages. Equivalent does not necessarily mean "same." For example, a Suburban is the Chevy equivalent to and Cadillac Escalade. My word processor is equivalent to my father's typewriter in how I use it. Nutra-sweet is equivalent to sugar. . . I think you see what I mean. This is why I want to verify this assumption of ours that the Noet edition is indeed 33,000 print pages - which would make it larger than the last print edition of the the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Hi Michael,
Thanks for your patience! Your side note is correct--Ben was merely trying to make a comparison to better articulate the functionality of EBNE--this edition does not have 33,000 print pages. The reason for this is that EBNE has never been in print--it's only existed as a digital database, so Britannica doesn't have information on page count/volumes. The EBNE has fewer articles than the 32-volume set, but is more media-rich, with thousands of images, videos, and maps not included in print editions.
Sherri
The impression given in the video is that it is the equivalent of the full 32-volume encyclopaedia that is on sale. This now appears to be misleading. Are you going to withdraw or re-edit the video?
I guess US advertising standards are different from those we expect in the UK.
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To get an idea of the average length of an article: 10 million words in 19,000 articles is an average of 526 words per article. That's half a A4 with 11pt text (Calibri font).
To compare: The Anchor-Yale Bible Dictionary has 7 million words in 6,000 articles, so an average of 1166 words per article. That's more than twice the number of words per average article.
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Slightly OT, but this might add to the discussion: is it possible for me to get the COMPLETE current Britannica electronically at all? Or in no cases do their electronic offerings equate the paper copy?
This might affect whether I decide to go with the prepub or not. Thanks!
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To get the complete Britannica, your have to subscribe to Britannica.com. It's $70/year.
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Simon said:
To get an idea of the average length of an article: 10 million words in 19,000 articles is an average of 526 words per article. That's half a A4 with 11pt text (Calibri font).
To compare: The Anchor-Yale Bible Dictionary has 7 million words in 6,000 articles, so an average of 1166 words per article. That's more than twice the number of words per average article.
Thanks for doing the math. I must have missed or "disregarded" the word count in the original advertisement, but averaging the article size like this is very helpful for me making a decision.
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Sherri Huleatt said:
The EBNE has fewer articles than the 32-volume set, but is more media-rich, with thousands of images, videos, and maps not included in print editions.
Will the images, videos, and maps be available offline? Curious about estimated resource size for download?
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I was fairly excited about this but I do not understand how this compares to the 2013 Deluxe Edition DVD which is a fifth of the cost on the Britannica website. This one says 19,000+ articles but the 2013 Deluxe says it has 82,000+
Am I missing something here?
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Mark Smith said:
I am vacillating on this one
I agree with you Mark. I'm having a difficult time deciding (and like George, I tend to keep things once I've purchased them even if I'm not that happy with the product). I have an older version of the Britannica DVD (when my kids were much younger I upgraded every other year). I used to wish I had the ability to have it tagged to Logos but now that this option is nearly here I'm not sure of its value for my library -- especially as someone mentioned that the articles are not in depth but meant to be jumping off points for other resources (and perhaps for resources that I do not currently own).
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I just found out something interesting. Some US public libraries allow free remote access to Britannica online through their website (as long as you have a library card). Through my small town I was able to access the High School edition of Britannica. Pretty neat.
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Jonathan Pitts said:
The impression given in the video is that it is the equivalent of the full 32-volume encyclopaedia that is on sale. This now appears to be misleading. Are you going to withdraw or re-edit the video?
I guess US advertising standards are different from those we expect in the UK.
I agree. The Noet edition appears to be an abridged version of the Encyclopedia, sold as if it is the real thing. I will be cancelling my formerly enthusiastic pre-order. Based on Simon's calculation, we are looking at about 10k pages - not 33k. Very disappointing marketing dishonesty here.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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It seems the difficulty is that there is no comparable Britannica product with which to compare the Noet version, correct? From the discussion we've had, I'm less enthusiastic about the offering than I had been.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Yesterday after thinking about the EBNE (Encyclopedia Britannica) one reason for purchasing it would be so that i might have access to it in the future.
Over the past 20 years i have bought at least 2 Encyclopedias for my PCs. Over the years these have stopped working with my newer PCs as Windows has evolved. The oldest was written for 16-bit OS and cannot be loaded. The other has similar issues with my current Windows 8 PC. Another down side was that they required me to insert various DVDs as i changed viewing different articles.
But with EBNE coming out in Logos compatible book form. This book form should alleviate this problem as Logos will in the future will continue to upgrade its app to work with newer OS and computer technology. So the EBNE book will work unlike the older purchased Encyclopedias.
Plus i will not need to change DVDs as i view articles in the EBNE.
Edit: another advantage to having the EBNE over other Encyclopedias (purchased for PCs) is that it will be available on my other devices (tablet, phones, etc).
p.s. Thanks Alabama for taking up my defense concerning EULA!
Edit: i see the EBNE's primary benefit as parents have in the past. It provides access for their school age children. Growing up my father purchased the World Book Encyclopedia for me and my siblings. i cannot tell you how many times me and my siblings used it in writing reports for our school homework. So last night when visiting my son's house and doing my normal Tuesday evening Bible study with my grandchildren, i spoke to my son about the EBNE and suggested that he create a new Logos account and purchase it for the grandkids. By creating a new Logos account, the kids would not be altering any of his Logos notes/layouts etc. He would be able to set it up on the single computer that the kids share and when it came up on that computer it would automatically open up (without them needing to login). i feel this would be a better source of info for the kids than wikipedia, or at least a more objective/reliable source.
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steve clark said:
Plus i will not need to change DVDs as i view articles in the EBNE.
Several years ago (well, more than 5 yrs) I got all of the issues of National Geographic. It also requires shuffling disks. What a pain!
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Justin Gatlin said:Jonathan Pitts said:
The impression given in the video is that it is the equivalent of the full 32-volume encyclopaedia that is on sale. This now appears to be misleading. Are you going to withdraw or re-edit the video?
I guess US advertising standards are different from those we expect in the UK.
I agree. The Noet edition appears to be an abridged version of the Encyclopedia, sold as if it is the real thing. I will be cancelling my formerly enthusiastic pre-order. Based on Simon's calculation, we are looking at about 10k pages - not 33k. Very disappointing marketing dishonesty here.
I feel the same way about the video; it seems misleading. I'm also surprised about the price of this product after the three-day sale. Is $500 a reasonable price?
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Hi all,
To avoid any further confusion, we've decided to update the video and remove the section where we mention the 32-volume print edition. In our minds, we were trying to give our users an example that would help illustrate EBNE's functionality, but we can see how this could be confusing, and obviously, don't want to mislead anyone! The video will be updated later today.
Also, it's important to note that these articles are not abridged--this edition offers 19,000 complete articles crafted by Encyclopedia Britannica editors.
Thanks for all the feedback!
Sherri
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Sherri Huleatt said:
Hi all,
To avoid any further confusion, we've decided to update the video and remove the section where we mention the 32-volume print edition. In our minds, we were trying to give our users an example that would help illustrate EBNE's functionality, but we can see how this could be confusing, and obviously, don't want to mislead anyone! The video will be updated later today.
Also, it's important to note that these articles are not abridged--this edition offers 19,000 complete articles crafted by Encyclopedia Britannica editors.
Thanks for all the feedback!
Sherri
Thank you. Good move.
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Any possibility of a few sample articles?
Thanks Sherri!
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I think it safe to say that Logos doesn't intentionally attempt to mislead, but sometimes things can be misleading. Glad to see Logos being responsive to forum concerns.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Alan said:
Any possibility of a few sample articles?
Thanks Sherri!
Hi Alan,
Since this is a new edition, we unfortunately don't have any sample articles from Britannica. I'm hoping that once we get closer to shipping, we can provide some sample pages for our users to peruse.
Sherri
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Sherri Huleatt said:
-The EBNE also includes more than 25,000 high-resolution videos and images that are all fully searchable and accessible--even when you’re not connected to the Internet.
While I am still not sure if I'll benefit from the print content of the EBNE, I am interested in a resource that would provide this vast a number of images and videos for under $100. That alone might make this a worth-while purchase.
Thank-you for the extra information and clarification of the contents.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark Smith said:
While I am still not sure if I'll benefit from the print content of the EBNE, I am interested in a resource that would provide this vast a number of images and videos for under $100. That alone might make this a worth-while purchase.
Thank-you for the extra information and clarification of the contents.
No problem. Thanks for your patience, Mark!
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Quick question - I read that updates will be relatively cheap. Is That compared to the pre-pub price or the MSLP?
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Sherri,
Somewhat related, but with content from Encyclopedia Britannicacoming to Noet now, any chance of getting the 60 volume Great Books of the Westen World?
that would be hugely valuable to me!
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Greg Masone said:
Sherri,
Somewhat related, but with content from Encyclopedia Britannicacoming to Noet now, any chance of getting the 60 volume Great Books of the Westen World?
that would be hugely valuable to me!
Have you considered the Harvard Classics? It's not the same though it does have some of the same material. Also, there are various classical authors in the Loeb editions and some collected works of authors such as Dostoyevsky and Jack London.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Hello George,
Yep, I've got all those already :-)
Ive got a print edition of the Great Books that I'm readone through and would love to have them all digitally.
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Greg Masone said:
Hello George,
Yep, I've got all those already :-)
Ive got a print edition of the Great Books that I'm readone through and would love to have them all digitally.
You do realize that you can't display them in your bookcases, don't you? [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Ok, since I started this long thread and stirred up the waters about this product I'll chime in with a few observations and conclusions (if one can make any at this point).
- Thanks to Sherri for her staying with the thread and getting back with responses. I know it is hard to be caught in the middle trying to answer questions that may or may not have satisfactory answers.
- Transparency - I think Faithlife could of been a little more transparent with the information that they released about the product. Probably stating up front that this was a new venture between them and Britannica and that they are creating a whole new version of the encyclopedia unique to Noet. They should of stated that this was a subset of articles selected by some group and that it was definitely not the whole encyclopedia. Then folks could make intelligent decisions based on that information.
- Samples - I understand that there isn't any content yet to post up as samples but that goes a long ways towards showing folks what is inside the resource. I depend a lot on that with both Faithlife resources and on Amazon. I hope that we can see some soon.
- Disk Space - Some folks was asking about how much disk space this might take up. I have the 2008 Deluxe Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica and I can see that it takes up about 3gb of disk space between program files and data files. I see about 640 Auidio mp3 files and about 340 mp4 video files taking up a total of about 1.6 gb. The articles take up about 620 mg. It appears that the photos take up about 640 meg. I can't get a count of them. It might be that Faithlife has the ability to add more compression to the files. It would appear that the Noet version will have more media content which might be an interesting thing. I am not sure if the audio and videos will come down to the mobile devices but that might be an issue for some folks with limited space on a tablet or phone. As a point of reference I have just the entire text of the Wikipedia from about a year ago on my mobile devices and it takes up 4.0 gb on my ipad.
- I have put in a pre-pub and will keep it there. As stated we can return it not satisfied. I like the idea of added content especially photos and videos that we don't currently have much of. I don't think that the articles dealing with theology or biblical studies will be adding much to what we already have in our libraries. It will be interesting to see how the resources is tagged and indexed.
Here is the link to the press release:
Again thanks to Faithlife for branching out into new ventures and bringing us more opportunities to add to our libraries.
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Thank you, Bruce, for starting this thread, for pulling together "the present state of the discussion", and for the link to the press release. It has been very helpful in making my decision to pre-order.
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I also Bruce, am thankful for your follow through on this and for Sherri's help as well.
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Well, in spite of some disappointments I decided to keep my pre-pub order. Who knows they might give us a full version as an update at a lower price later on down the road.
DAL
Ps. Now can we please have Dracula back this time in Noet?
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