Muddy Waters
An Insider's View Of North American Native Spirituality is something I just picked up. Actually got it from a New Age book store.
Haven't read it yet, but the back cover intrigued me. Here is a review taken from A mazon:
The author points out that mixing cultural religion with the salvation Jesus Christ came to give, only leaves people in confusion. When Jesus claimed to be the only way to God (John 14:6) He wasn't blowing His own horn. He was just telling the truth. I'm very thankful that Nanci Des Gerlaise wrote this book to help her own people and anybody else that will listen.
Muddy Waters is not only about the unbiblical elements of Native Spirituality as its popularity grows. It is a wake-up call to Christians from every culture that deceptive teaching is infiltrating the church in general, and serves as a helpful resource for recognizing what is Biblical truth and what isn't.
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Milkman said:
and serves as a helpful resource for recognizing what is Biblical truth and what isn't.
Imagine that; finding Biblical truth in a New Age book store! [;)]
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Yeah it was a shock. Amongst the candles, incense and ppl lining up for readings I saw the book. David Icke, Wilcock Kirby Surprise and a bunch of other New Agers would have been a bit *&%#$ off to see their book beside such a slanderous and scandalous print.
Any way it seems like the book is along the lines of D.A. Carson's Becoming Conversant With The Emerging Church.
Like the Buddah says... OR not
Super.Tramp said:Milkman said:and serves as a helpful resource for recognizing what is Biblical truth and what isn't.
Imagine that; finding Biblical truth in a New Age book store!
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Super.Tramp said:
Imagine that; finding Biblical truth in a New Age book store!
Yeah, our local New Age bookstore carries C.S. Lewis and Augustine along with Wicca & Pagan & Eco-feminist books; the Gnostic Bible as well as NIV and NRSV; and everything from John of the Cross to Thomas Merton to Eckhart Tolle to Thich Nhat Hanh to the Dalai Lama to B.K.S. Iyengar and everything further afield by authors I've never heard of. (I've only walked in there once; this info was gleaned from their website.)
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It's not uncommon for "Perennial Philosophy" books to be carried by New Age bookstores, Just as it is not uncommon for there to be some blurring of religious lines in individual teacher's reading lists.
BTW: I like Muddy Water's blues.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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It really is the whole idea of Christianity as "just one of" a type of spirituality that leads to the divine. So having a Christian book along side a new age one is part and parcel of not only postmodernism, but the deception that is growing more and more these days.
Rosie Perera said:Super.Tramp said:Imagine that; finding Biblical truth in a New Age book store!
Yeah, our local New Age bookstore carries C.S. Lewis and Augustine along with Wicca & Pagan & Eco-feminist books; the Gnostic Bible as well as NIV and NRSV; and everything from John of the Cross to Thomas Merton to Eckhart Tolle to Thich Nhat Hanh to the Dalai Lama to B.K.S. Iyengar and everything further afield by authors I've never heard of. (I've only walked in there once; this info was gleaned from their website.)
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Then you'll like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IOou6qN1o
MJ. Smith said:It's not uncommon for "Perennial Philosophy" books to be carried by New Age bookstores, Just as it is not uncommon for there to be some blurring of religious lines in individual teacher's reading lists.
BTW: I like Muddy Water's blues.
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cheers mate.
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I guess to bring it back... I'm intrigued with the new age philosophy that has been embraced and accepted by some Christians. You know, yoga, meditation, being present and the like.
If this really is as "big" as some say then I wonder if Faithlife would want to offer more apologetics regarding this. I for one would like very much to have "current" resources to not only defend historic Christianity but also resources to help spouses who have their wife or husband following such teachings.
All this IMHO
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Next thing you know, the Christians will be embracing Plato and Aristotle. Katie bar the door! I've always thought it humorous that Thomas J's primary criticism of the Christians and the NT was just that.
I'm not sure about yoga, meditation and the like. Especially when it's healthy. Maybe having Bible study at the McDonalds would be better.
I guess I'm hinting at a bit cultural unfamiliarity. The number one issue that keeps native american mixtures in business, is that native americans can easily see the Christians and their behaviors. I've seen it demonstrated that you can actually see Christians in the fog, if you put a light on the opposite side.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Katie bar the door!
That was an unfamiliar phrase to me, so I had to learn more about it. Fun!
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Me too. I had to search out the meaning. I always thought it was "Katie BY the door." Interesting story though. However, it seems that there are two versions of the saying. I like the one with the husband, the non-talk and the robbers.
Rosie Perera said:Denise said:Katie bar the door!
That was an unfamiliar phrase to me, so I had to learn more about it. Fun!
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Hey, I thought this thread was going to be about McKinley Morganfield, aka Muddy Waters, the famous bluesman! Oh, well...
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Eric Seelye said:
Hey, I thought this thread was going to be about McKinley Morganfield, aka Muddy Waters, the famous bluesman! Oh, well...
There are two posts about him in it. People often post other things that muddy the waters whenever there's a slightly controversial topic in a thread.
Then again, I thought the thread was going to be about this:
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Milkman said:
I guess to bring it back... I'm intrigued with the new age philosophy that has been embraced and accepted by some Christians. You know, yoga, meditation, being present and the like.
Do you realize that meditation has been a major theme in Christianity since the 3rd century - perhaps earlier. Do you know the being present in the moment has its basis in Jesus' words? and again has a deep history back to the 3rd century at least. And have you compared the Eastern Orthodox practices to yoga? certainly not as developed but the thread is not foreign.
I suggest that you read either (or both) of Roberta Bondi's books on the Desert Fathers and the Russian Orthodox Way of the Pilgrim ... all of which have been recommended for Logos multiple times.
Sorry, Milkman, nothing personal -- you just happened to be the one who posted on an evening I wasn't in an "ignorance is bliss" mood.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Milkman said:
It really is the whole idea of Christianity as "just one of" a type of spirituality that leads to the divine. So having a Christian book along side a new age one is part and parcel of not only postmodernism, but the deception that is growing more and more these days.
For a few it is - but otherwise the statement above is a gross misrepresentation of the scholars, clergy and laity working in the areas of comparative religion who are often very orthodox Christians. However, this is not the place to explain the theology you are misrepresenting. But for something in Logos see Rahner's anonymous Christian as one expression of one small thread of a more inclusive theology Or if you prefer your theology in narrative form see: Saint Francis and the Sultan: Models for Interreligious Dialogue
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Milkman said:
I guess to bring it back... I'm intrigued with the new age philosophy that has been embraced and accepted by some Christians. You know, yoga, meditation, being present and the like.
Do you realize that meditation has been a major theme in Christianity since the 3rd century - perhaps earlier. Do you know the being present in the moment has its basis in Jesus' words? and again has a deep history back to the 3rd century at least. And have you compared the Eastern Orthodox practices to yoga? certainly not as developed but the thread is not foreign.
I suggest that you read either (or both) of Roberta Bondi's books on the Desert Fathers and the Russian Orthodox Way of the Pilgrim ... all of which have been recommended for Logos multiple times.
The practice of mindfulness (another word for "being present") has roots deep within the early Church fathers:
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MJ. Smith said:
I suggest that you read either (or both) of Roberta Bondi's books on the Desert Fathers and the Russian Orthodox Way of the Pilgrim ... all of which have been recommended for Logos multiple times.
Thank you for the recommendations! This is great (although I guess you must have meant that they've been recommended, rather than made it into the logos corpus). I also have sometimes thought that the Orthodox practice of prostrations and movement in prayer have similarities with Yoga. Is that the sort of thing you were thinking of too?
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Rayner said:
Thank you for the recommendations! This is great (although I guess you must have meant that they've been recommended, rather than made it into the logos corpus). I also have sometimes thought that the Orthodox practice of prostrations and movement in prayer have similarities with Yoga. Is that the sort of thing you were thinking of too?
exactly
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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