How do you use concordance?
I am in my free month of Logos Now and I am trying to like the Concordance tool, but I can't see how it is different from searching within a resource.
So, how do you use concordance?
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With search you have to type in each word. With Concordance you can scroll down and quickly access all of the words in a resource (not just the Bible)
The most popular english word in the KJV is Lord followed by not.
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Lynden Williams said:
With search you have to type in each word. With Concordance you can scroll down and quickly access all of the words in a resource (not just the Bible)
The most popular english word in the KJV is Lord followed by not.
Thanks for the reply. I get that but I can narrow my search now by using the operators "AND" or "NEAR" or use the "WITHIN" search....many ways and find precicely what I am looking for within any resource. Faith life must have meant this to be used for a more useful purpose than just seeing all the words in a particular resource. I am missing something.....
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One nice use for it: It's a very quick way to find out what is the most frequently used word in a resource or in a portion (say a whole book) of the Bible.
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Mike Tourangeau said:
Faith life must have meant this to be used for a more useful purpose than just seeing all the words in a particular resource. I am missing something.....
It's more useful on Bibles, especially with reverse interlinears. Some use cases there:
- Seeing which words are used most frequently in particular passages.
- Using the "Biblical Entity" option with the filters to drill down to show (for example), all the slaves in the Bible.
- On a Greek NT/Hebrew Bible, using the "Count" filter to learn Hebrew/Greek words with a certain frequency.
On monographs, I tend only to use it to get a word count, which helps me estimate how long it might take me to read.
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Mark Barnes said:
Using the "Biblical Entity" option with the filters to drill down to show (for example), all the slaves in the Bible.
Mark, is this in the beta? I don't see that option, for example looking at the ESV.
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Don Awalt said:Mark Barnes said:
Using the "Biblical Entity" option with the filters to drill down to show (for example), all the slaves in the Bible.
Mark, is this in the beta? I don't see that option, for example looking at the ESV.
Biblical Entity support was introduced in 6.3 beta 1.
I think 6.3 is currently scheduled to ship next week so you shouldn't have long to wait[:)]
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David Taylor Jr said:
I believe they said the 18th is 6.3 ship date.
I'm not sure they've said it as exactly as that but they've said they are now on a 6 week cycle in general, and if you compute 6 weeks from the last release it would be the 18th. I would expect it to be the 18th if nothing goes wrong with the Release Candidates, but there's a slight chance it could be earlier if RC1 proves to be bug free enough to go gold, and there's a slight chance it could be later if show-stopper bugs are found in RC1, RC2, ...
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In a Logos Now email that I received just a few days ago, they said "on or about" the 18th.
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Mike Tourangeau said:
I am in my free month of Logos Now and I am trying to like the Concordance tool, but I can't see how it is different from searching within a resource.
Mike Tourangeau said:I can narrow my search now by using the operators "AND" or "NEAR" or use the "WITHIN" search....many ways and find precisely what I am looking for within any resource. Faith life must have meant this to be used for a more useful purpose than just seeing all the words in a particular resource. I am missing something.....
Mike, I'm curious how you'd use search to find the five most frequent words in a given resource, for example. That would take weeks or months of running individual searches. You can find five words of your choosing, but that's a very different task.
Concordance differs from searching in a very fundamental way: searching is for finding all instances of a particular thing, when you already know what you're looking for (e.g., I want to find all occurrences of "in Christ"); Concordance is for browsing and facilitating serendipitous discovery, for finding all examples of a category of thing—and even discovering categories you didn't know were tagged—when you're not really sure what in particular you should be looking for (e.g., I'm curious to know which places are mentioned most in Paul's letters). You can't easily discover these kinds of thing by searching. You're not sure of everything to search for, and even if you were, it would be very time-consuming to run all the searches individually.
Here are some of the kinds of questions you can answer with Concordance that you can't answer easily with search (or any other way, really):
- Which apostles are most prominent in the New Testament?
- Which lemmas or roots are most prominent in John's Gospel compared to the rest of the New Testament?
- Who were all the women mentioned in Acts?
- What Bible Books or passages did Millard Erickson reference most in his Systematic Theology? And how does this compare to Wayne Grudem? (Coming in 6.4.)
- Which Gospel mentions women more than others (relative to its size)? (Comparison abilities coming in a future release.)
- Which morphological characteristics are more prominent in Pauline vs. Petrine vs. Johannine literature? (Coming in a future release.)
As Mark pointed out, getting total word counts in a unit of text is also useful for a variety of purposes (e.g., to find out how long something is going to take to read; to normalize results for comparing two units of text).
The planned ship date for Sense and Biblical Entities is May 18, but we reserve the right to delay it if we discover a showstopper at the last minute.
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I am in my free month of Logos Now and I am trying to like the Concordance tool, but I can't see how it is different from searching within a resource.
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I can narrow my search now by using the operators "AND" or "NEAR" or use the "WITHIN" search....many ways and find precisely what I am looking for within any resource. Faith life must have meant this to be used for a more useful purpose than just seeing all the words in a particular resource. I am missing something.....
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Mike, I'm curious how you'd use search to find the five most frequent words in a given resource, for example. That would take weeks or months of running individual searches. You can find five words of your choosing, but that's a very different task.
Concordance differs from searching in a very fundamental way: searching is for finding all instances of a particular thing, when you already know what you're looking for (e.g., I want to find all occurrences of "in Christ"); Concordance is for browsing and facilitating serendipitous discovery, for finding all examples of a category of thing—and even discovering categories you didn't know were tagged—when you're not really sure what in particular you should be looking for (e.g., I'm curious to know which places are mentioned most in Paul's letters). You can't easily discover these kinds of thing by searching. You're not sure of everything to search for, and even if you were, it would be very time-consuming to run all the searches individually.
Here are some of the kinds of questions you can answer with Concordance that you can't answer easily with search (or any other way, really):
- Which apostles are most prominent in the New Testament?
- Which lemmas or roots are most prominent in John's Gospel compared to the rest of the New Testament?
- Who were all the women mentioned in Acts?
- What Bible Books or passages did Millard Erickson reference most in his Systematic Theology? And how does this compare to Wayne Grudem? (Coming in 6.4.)
- Which Gospel mentions women more than others (relative to its size)? (Comparison abilities coming in a future release.)
- Which morphological characteristics are more prominent in Pauline vs. Petrine vs. Johannine literature? (Coming in a future release.)
As Mark pointed out, getting total word counts in a unit of text is also useful for a variety of purposes (e.g., to find out how long something is going to take to read; to normalize results for comparing two units of text).
The planned ship date for Sense and Biblical Entities is May 18, but we reserve the right to delay it if we discover a showstopper at the last minute.
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I unsubscribed after having used the free month. If there are such functions like it is mentioned here ,I think it would be good if there would be tutorial.
Blessings in Christ.
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Hi Tes
Tes said:I unsubscribed after having used the free month. If there are such functions like it is mentioned here ,I think it would be good if there would be tutorial.
Phil's points 4-6 aren't available as yet as he notes.
But to look at his third - as an example - the women mentioned in Acts I've just recorded a quick video showing this (functionality only currently available in beta but should be shipping to the stable channel next week)
It's available at http://screencast.com/t/MjfNW4o41ILl
Hope this helps to give an idea of the power and flexibility of this tool
Graham
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Mike, I'm curious how you'd use search to find the five most frequent words in a given resource, for example. That would take weeks or months of running individual searches. You can find five words of your choosing, but that's a very different task.
Phil, let me say I didn't me to come across as saying the tool was useless. I imagine you put a lot of time, work and energy into this and if I came across like that I apologize.
I think I see the problem, something may be wrong with my concordance. Graham posted a video below and I watched it and I see how you can search for entity etc. I can only search for "word" Basically it just gives a long scrollable list of all the words in any range. I use the ESV so I tried the NIV as he does and the same thing. I will post a screenshot of it. Is it possible my tool is not downloaded properly?
EDIT: I read post again and I see that some of the features are not available, is my tool up to date from what you see?
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I thought I had seen the specific date in a post but I may be wrong.Rosie Perera said:David Taylor Jr said:I believe they said the 18th is 6.3 ship date.
I'm not sure they've said it as exactly as that but they've said they are now on a 6 week cycle in general, and if you compute 6 weeks from the last release it would be the 18th. I would expect it to be the 18th if nothing goes wrong with the Release Candidates, but there's a slight chance it could be earlier if RC1 proves to be bug free enough to go gold, and there's a slight chance it could be later if show-stopper bugs are found in RC1, RC2, ...
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Mike Tourangeau said:
EDIT: I read post again and I see that some of the features are not available, is my tool up to date from what you see?
To get the Biblical Entity etc you need 6.3 currently at RC 2 and should hopefully ship to stable next week.
What version are you running?
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Graham Criddle said:Mike Tourangeau said:
EDIT: I read post again and I see that some of the features are not available, is my tool up to date from what you see?
To get the Biblical Entity etc you need 6.3 currently at RC 2 and should hopefully ship to stable next week.
What version are you running?
Logos Bible Software 6.2 SR-1
6.2.0.0043
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Mike Tourangeau said:
Logos Bible Software 6.2 SR-1
6.2.0.0043
So what you are seeing is correct for that version, hopefully you will get the new features next week
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Ok. Thanks
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Here are some of the kinds of questions you can answer with Concordance that you can't answer easily with search (or any other way, really):
- Which apostles are most prominent in the New Testament?
- Which lemmas or roots are most prominent in John's Gospel compared to the rest of the New Testament?
- Who were all the women mentioned in Acts?
- What Bible Books or passages did Millard Erickson reference most in his Systematic Theology? And how does this compare to Wayne Grudem? (Coming in 6.4.)
- Which Gospel mentions women more than others (relative to its size)? (Comparison abilities coming in a future release.)
- Which morphological characteristics are more prominent in Pauline vs. Petrine vs. Johannine literature? (Coming in a future release.)
Phil, after reading your post I was excited, you are right these all sound great! I watched Graham's video and saw some of the features, but then realized they are in Beta and due out soon. You mention 1.-3 (quoted above) As the tool stands today, how would I find this info? It seems people who have this tool in Beta find it useful, but as I see it today, it is a work in progress....not sure I want to pay for it.
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Graham Criddle said:
Hi Tes
Tes said:I unsubscribed after having used the free month. If there are such functions like it is mentioned here ,I think it would be good if there would be tutorial.
Phil's points 4-6 aren't available as yet as he notes.
But to look at his third - as an example - the women mentioned in Acts I've just recorded a quick video showing this (functionality only currently available in beta but should be shipping to the stable channel next week)
It's available at http://screencast.com/t/MjfNW4o41ILl
Hope this helps to give an idea of the power and flexibility of this tool
Graham
Thank you Graham for the clarification. Does it mean that Logos has stopped to provide new features for non Logos now users? Can we expect new Features without being not a membership to Logos now?
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes said:
Does it mean that Logos has stopped to provide new features for non Logos now users?
Logos now provides early access to some new features, especially ones which require new datasets. No, it does not mean non-logos now will not receive new features. Yes, it means that Logos now users will receive early access to some new features.
Tes said:Can we expect new Features without being not a membership to Logos now?
As I said, non-logos now users will not receive early access to some new features. Some new features will be available immediately upon release to everyone, other features will be available at some point in the future via a free core engine update (i.e. Logos 7) or with a new base package / core cross grade.
Make sense?
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Mike Tourangeau said:
Phil, let me say I didn't me to come across as saying the tool was useless. I imagine you put a lot of time, work and energy into this and if I came across like that I apologize.
No need to apologize. I didn't take your post that way.
Mike Tourangeau said:I think I see the problem, something may be wrong with my concordance. Graham posted a video below and I watched it and I see how you can search for entity etc. I can only search for "word" Basically it just gives a long scrollable list of all the words in any range. I use the ESV so I tried the NIV as he does and the same thing. I will post a screenshot of it. Is it possible my tool is not downloaded properly?
EDIT: I read post again and I see that some of the features are not available, is my tool up to date from what you see?
You're not seeing Lemma and Root, both of which should be showing up as part of 6.2 for Bibles with reverse interlinears. 6.3 introduces Senses and Biblical Entities, which you should get on Monday when we release the next version. I'd reach out to customer service and see if they can help you figure out why you're only seeing word.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
You're not seeing Lemma and Root, both of which should be showing up as part of 6.2 for Bibles with reverse interlinears.
This was added in 6.3 (https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_6.3_Beta_1) and should be available to all Logos Now subscribers when 6.3 ships next week.
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alabama24 said:Tes said:
Does it mean that Logos has stopped to provide new features for non Logos now users?
Logos now provides early access to some new features, especially ones which require new datasets. No, it does not mean non-logos now will not receive new features. Yes, it means that Logos now users will receive early access to some new features.
Tes said:Can we expect new Features without being not a membership to Logos now?
As I said, non-logos now users will not receive early access to some new features. Some new features will be available immediately upon release to everyone, other features will be available at some point in the future via a free core engine update (i.e. Logos 7) or with a new base package / core cross grade.
Make sense?
Thank you Alabama for the clarification. During my free subscription there was only word, but on Graham's video I could see more options.
Blessings in Christ.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
You're not seeing Lemma and Root, both of which should be showing up as part of 6.2 for Bibles with reverse interlinears.
This was added in 6.3 (https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_6.3_Beta_1) and should be available to all Logos Now subscribers when 6.3 ships next week.
Oh, right. Lemma and Morph were there, but only for original language Bibles. I forgot we added these to English Bibles with reverse interlinears in 6.3. Thanks for the correction.
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