[request] BUG: 6.3 Beta 5: Concordance - why "jesus" not capitalized?
When you expand that word, it shows Jesus is capitalized in all the uses of it.
God does show up capitalized in the concordance, as does Lord, Peter, and other proper nouns, so I'd expect Jesus to as well.
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The concordance routine takes the first occurrence of a word (in the processing) when it selects the presence or absence of capitals, the base form of combined words etc. If you do a search on Jesus without a capital you will find the particular typo that caused this.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Well, that explains it kind of. Probably not first occurrence of the word encountered in processing, but rather first version of the word in alphabetical order when all instances of it are taken into account. It does occur as jesus in two verses; both are in small caps so it makes sense that it wasn't capitalized in that context. A conscious decision was probably made to not have upper case small caps at all.
But one could still argue that some words should be made into special cases so that they never show up as non-capitalized in the concordance.
I'll leave it as a bug report and let Faithlife decide what (if anything) to do about it.
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As a concordance is used to analyze the word use of a text or manuscript warts, typos and all, I'd rather that no special cases be made for individual words. The type of exception I am comfortable with is where a lemma is multiple "words" as per the parser being used.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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But I don't think this is a typo. It's a formatting choice in one or two verses that forces the concordance to present that word in its lower-case form even though everywhere else in the source text it appears capitalized. This problem happens with Nazareth and Jews too, merely because of these two verses where they are small-capped. Maybe when a word appears in a small caps font it should be handled specially. If it is a word that only occurs that one place, then sure, treat it exactly as the surface text has it. But if it is a word that appears multiple other times in the source text, then the capitalization it appears in most frequently should trump the exceptions. It appears Logos is collapsing all instances together into one listing in the concordance and using the lower case version as the headword (because that sorts alphabetically before the capitalized version). I maintain that is the wrong way to handle words that appear in the source text in different capitalization styles.
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I agree its not a typo and was trying to say that it must reflect the text as the text not as we wish the text was. I'll admit I simply want it to work like http://www.concordancesoftware.co.uk/ and similar tools that are the defacto standard. Yes, I want some of the manual correction and grouping tools used in Concordance as well as they are necessary for the Noet market. I understand your point and have no strong feelings either way beyond the standard KISS paradigm.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
it must reflect the text as the text not as we wish the text was.
I agree with that principle. And my report reflects that principle not what I wish the text was. The text has 2 occurrences of jesus and 307 occurrences of Jesus, so why should these all be collected under "jesus"? I advocate for listing them under the more common capitalization, not always the lower case one. It was arbitrary to choose lower case. I prefer some kind of smarts to arbitrariness. I like to be able to understand why something was done.
MJ. Smith said:the standard KISS paradigm
I agree with that principle too. But it wouldn't be too complicated to add the logic for this, and it would be predictable not arbitrary.
I also don't have strong feelings either way other than that I like to win when you and I have a tussle over something. As I sense you do too, which is why we'll never resolve this to the satisfaction of both of us. [;)]
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Rosie Perera said:
like to be able to understand why something was done.
The Concordance currently prefers the "lowest cased" string: jesus < Jesus < JESUS
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The reasoning is that (in English) if a word ever appears in lower-case (even if it's not the most common form), it's not a proper noun. If "The" appears at the beginning of a sentence 75% of the time, and as "the" in the middle of a sentence 25% of the time, the Concordance should display "the", even though it's a less common form.
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The reasoning is that (in English) if a word ever appears in lower-case (even if it's not the most common form), it's not a proper noun. If "The" appears at the beginning of a sentence 75% of the time, and as "the" in the middle of a sentence 25% of the time, the Concordance should display "the", even though it's a less common form.
I like that reasoning. But perhaps words that appear in small caps should be considered to be in all caps in that location, which would preserve your logic and would fix these cases of proper nouns showing up in lower case in the concordance.
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Rosie Perera said:
But perhaps words that appear in small caps should be considered to be in all caps in that location
Yes, this would be a good improvement.
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Rosie Perera said:
But perhaps words that appear in small caps should be considered to be in all caps in that location
Yes, this would be a good improvement.
Thankful for Concordance improvement; noticed Logos 7.5 Beta 4 has Jesus (plus more Proper Nouns):
Keep Smiling [:)]
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