Using a Mac with i7 vs. Mac i5 with Logos
Hi everybody,
Is there any real added benefit of running Logos 6 with an i7 CPU as compared to running with an i5 CPU if both system have the same specs (SSD, 8 GB RAM). In other words, would spending the extra $$$ on an i7 be really beneficial?
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How much $$$? What about SSD size?
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Bill Chan said:
Hi everybody,
Is there any real added benefit of running Logos 6 with an i7 CPU as compared to running with an i5 CPU if both system have the same specs (SSD, 8 GB RAM). In other words, would spending the extra $$$ on an i7 be really beneficial?
The question, as Alabama24 suggests, is really dependent on like comparisons of CPU, RAM and SSD. Not all is equal. Dual Core, Quad Core. i7 what? MacBook Air? MacBook Pro? iMac? Windows. Which?
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As I mentioned in my post, both MAC systems have the same specs (same size of SSD, same amount of RAM). For the sake of argument, both are 13 inch Retina MBP. The difference between the i5 and i7 is $360.
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Hi Bill,
Here's some previous discussions that you might find helpful:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/74629/521385.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/78453.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/44197.aspx
The consensus seems to be that most critical component for daily operation of Logos is the SSD. I've had Logos on three different Macs now, including an i7 iMac, and have noticed the CPU makes the biggest difference only when Logos is indexing. The rest of the time, I've not noticed performance differences between the three computers.
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Thanks for your help!
Blessings,
Bill
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Thanks for clarification. All things being equal, the question now is whether $360, the difference between i5 and i7(quad core), is worth it.
Dual core - quad core, i5, i7 ... there are differences.
Good luck.
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Bill Chan said:
Hi everybody,
Is there any real added benefit of running Logos 6 with an i7 CPU as compared to running with an i5 CPU if both system have the same specs (SSD, 8 GB RAM). In other words, would spending the extra $$$ on an i7 be really beneficial?
Someone from Logos will have to answer that. I don't know if the Logos program uses all the cores of the i7, or for that matter, the i5. I do know that my iMac has an i5 and it's fast enough for me. I'm not sure the extra $360 is worth it but only you can decided that. [;)]
In Christ,
Charles
2017 27" iMac 5K, Mojave, 10.5" iPad Pro, iPhone 7+, iPhone 8, iOS 12.0, Catalina beta, iPadOS Beta
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Hey Charles,
Funny that you suggest I ask Logos. I tweeted them this question and they tweeted back saying that it was a great question and I should post it in the Community Board. So that's why I am here now!
Blessings,
Bill
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Bill Chan said:
I tweeted them this question and they tweeted back saying that it was a great question and I should post it in the Community Board.
I think they have officially stopped making recommendations. What is fast and speedy to one, ain't to another.
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I have two different computers with i7s one Mac(HD) and one PC(hybrid). I also have one PC with an i3 and it has an SSD and just 4GB RAM. I'm rather surprised how well it operates compared to the more powerful machines
An i7 matters more for video, photo and other media work. I do some photo stuff. But it's not that big of a deal. I'd see if you could put some of those dollars into more RAM and or a larger drive. That.would be more useful.
If I'm not mistaken, the i7s and i5s in Macs are mobile processors so they are not the full house processors of the desktop variety which can really chew through work.
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Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately, I can't really put an i7 iMac in my backpack, so I am stuck with mobile processors!
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There are many high-end Intel mobile processors. Don't be discouraged and don't think you can find an i7 in a laptop. Apple has several to choose from:
11", 13", and 15" configurations all available with i7 processors and they will fit nicely in your backpack.
.. and that top end MacBook Pro with turbo boost to 3.7GHz with high end AMD Radeon R9 M370X graphics looks like a beast.
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Now this is real expensive for an i7. I think they include a seat belt [8-|]
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-5960X-Haswell-E-Processor-BX80648I75960X/dp/B00MMLXIHM
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My two cents: the greatest gains to be had are in SSD speeds (the newer PCIe-based versions are amazing). You'll get some gain from an i7 vs. i5, but not nearly as significant as SSD vs. a traditional HDD.
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mab said:
Now this is real expensive for an i7. I think they include a seat belt
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-5960X-Haswell-E-Processor-BX80648I75960X/dp/B00MMLXIHM
Yikes! I think you meant to say a lead vest. !!!
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Bill :
Your question has been up for a while, however, I just read it. From my perspective, technology is growing so fast, and obsolescence seems to be built in. For that reason, and due to the fact that keeping neck to neck with the advancing envelope is so expensive, I always get the best I can reasonably afford at the time. I would never starve myself over an I7 in preference to an I5, however when dealing with software applications the size of Logos, the better the processor, (given that the static SSD and RAM would permit one to outperform the other), the better off you will be time (speed)-wise. Not wanting to sound pejorative of Apple products, though, they do charge a pretty penny for any upgrade that you purchase. I would make sure that there would be a noticeable improvement in search speed, or complex queries, and that the better CPU would not be bottle-necked by the amount of RAM, or a limited SSD. Given 16-32 GB RAM and a 250GB SSD, I would go for the I7. I did when I built my PC last summer.
Blessings,
David
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DJ Cadenhead said:
From my perspective, technology is growing so fast, and obsolescence seems to be built in. For that reason, and due to the fact that keeping neck to neck with the advancing envelope is so expensive, I always get the best I can reasonably afford at the time. I would never starve myself over an I7 in preference to an I5, however when dealing with software applications the size of Logos, the better the processor, (given that the static SSD and RAM would permit one to outperform the other), the better off you will be time (speed)-wise. Not wanting to sound pejorative of Apple products, t
It is also worth noting that there is no way of upgrading the processor at a later date. Personally, with Macs, I would always suggest that you spec up if you can afford to do so. At the kind of prices you are looking at, I guess you will want your investment to last.
Notwithstanding this, I agree with the other posters that (from a Logos perspective) a SSD appears to give the best gains. Having said that, I have just upgraded to an iMac with a fusion drive which appears to offer a more than acceptable compromise. I appreciate fusion drives are not an option in terms of the MacBooks (Pro or otherwise).
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For my money, I would rather spend $360 on books instead of a little bit more speed. Or perhaps a 27" monitor to connect to. Priorities obviously vary from person to person and situation to situation.
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Matthew said:
For my money, I would rather spend $360 on books instead of a little bit more speed. Or perhaps a 27" monitor to connect to. Priorities obviously vary from person to person and situation to situation.
True indeed. Resources you can use and see beat processor speed. I'm still using a monitor that's tethered to the third Mac it's supported.
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For those who may not know this, if you are considering any Mac, take a look at Apple's refurbished selection on their online store. You can often get 10-15% discounts. Sometimes, you get other pleasant surprises. A couple of months ago, I decided to upgrade and get a newer MacBook Pro. I bought an i5 that I saw on the refurbished site. When it came, it had all the other specs of the one I ordered, but it was an i7, not an i5 - and at 15% the usual i5 price! I can't say how often this happens, but it was a nice bonus!
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Mark Nolette said:
if you are considering any Mac, take a look at Apple's refurbished selection on their online store.
Link => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac Flash storage is faster (and newer) than Solid State Disk
Mac Benchmarks for CPU comparison => http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
July 2014 MacBook Pro with 2.6 GHz i5 has benchmark of 2933
Mar 2015 MacBook Air with 2.2 GHz i7 has benchmark of 2901
The dual core i5 MBP (mid 2014) is 1.1 % faster than the dual core i7 MBA (early 2015); both refurbished laptops have 8 GB of RAM and 256 GB of flash storage. The MBP has more ports while the MBA has longer battery life.
Typically need more than 10 % benchmark difference to be humanly perceivable.
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Bill Chan said:
Funny that you suggest I ask Logos. I tweeted them this question and they tweeted back saying that it was a great question and I should post it in the Community Board. So that's why I am here now!
Old thread, I know, but wanted to comment on this. I'm guessing that more and more, Tech Support is sending people here, for a variety of reasons. When I first called on a question about upgrading to L5, I was given a partial answer to my question, and told, "You really should check out the forum. People there know a lot more about a lot of this stuff than we do." This was how I first came to this forum as well.
Since then, I have called them twice about other things. On of these times, I was told told that I really should ask my question on this forum. Seems like it is becoming an official part of Tech Support's advice.
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