Free Book of the Month (June 2015) Live
The free book of the month for June appears to be live and is the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary on Esther by Anthony Tomasino http://www.logos.com/product/38953/esther-evangelical-exegetical-commentary
The plus one, for 99 cents, is Gary Derickson's commentary on John's epistles in the same series http://www.logos.com/product/25000/1-2-and-3-john-evangelical-exegetical-commentary
Thanks Logos! 
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No comment [:@]
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Can anyone who owns the volume on the epistles of John tell me how many pages long it is? Unlike the volume on Esther, I do not see it listed on the product page. Thanks!
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Thanks for the heads up, Gordon. And thank you Faithlife.
I missed out on the Wright volumes last month since I'd already bought them, so I'm grateful for this month's offer, neither of which I owned.
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Don't be unhappy, Whyndell. It's always good to read and learn more, even though it may not be your preference.
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Paul-C said:
Thanks for the heads up, Gordon. And thank you Faithlife.
I missed out on the Wright volumes last month since I'd already bought them, so I'm grateful for this month's offer, neither of which I owned.
Hear, hear! These are my words, too!
Have joy in the Lord!
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The free books of the month are getting better as are the Plus Ones. Probably makes up for the money I spend each month. It's much appreciated to have quality free books offered by Faithlife.
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Steve said:
Don't be unhappy, Whyndell. It's always good to read and learn more, even though it may not be your preference.
It might be a bit of a problem for those who subscribed to the series being told that would be the only way it would be made available. Then they were told that changed and people could buy the books individually. Some have paid 'full price' for these commentaries through subscription believing they were getting the best price. Now, oops, that has changed.
In the larger perspective, if these offerings attract more people to the series that may help assure the series gets completed.
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Glad to get those as I did not have them and it looks like interesting volumes. Thanks FL!
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Mark Smith said:Steve said:
Don't be unhappy, Whyndell. It's always good to read and learn more, even though it may not be your preference.
It might be a bit of a problem for those who subscribed to the series being told that would be the only way it would be made available. Then they were told that changed and people could buy the books individually. Some have paid 'full price' for these commentaries through subscription believing they were getting the best price. Now, oops, that has changed.
In the larger perspective, if these offerings attract more people to the series that may help assure the series gets completed.
Yes, of course. Please accept my apology for the very red-faced, "no comment," poster.
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Matthew said:
Can anyone who owns the volume on the epistles of John tell me how many pages long it is? Unlike the volume on Esther, I do not see it listed on the product page. Thanks!
I tried to check within Logos, but to my amazement, there is no visual filter to show page numbers, however, I was able to extract that information from the description on Amazon. It appears that the hardcover edition is 798 pages.
http://www.amazon.com/John-Evangelical-Exegetical-Commentary/dp/1577995759
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
I tried to check within Logos, but to my amazement, there is no visual filter to show page numbers, however, I was able to extract that information from the description on Amazon.
Is that a bug? Should it be reported as such?
Personally, I really appreciate the free offering. I'm not an Evangelical, and I have no interest in buying the whole EEC set, but a free different-view commentary on a comparatively obscure book--especially one which is actually of a different length for the author than for me--is a nice boon. If I'd already ordered the whole set, I might think differently, but I haven't, so I don't.
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I appreciate the free book offers each month as well as the $.99 deal that accompanies them. Once again I have the books being offered but I'm pleased for others. This is an excellent series.
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SineNomine said:Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
I tried to check within Logos, but to my amazement, there is no visual filter to show page numbers, however, I was able to extract that information from the description on Amazon.
Is that a bug? Should it be reported as such?
Personally, I really appreciate the free offering. I'm not an Evangelical, and I have no interest in buying the whole EEC set, but a free different-view commentary on a comparatively obscure book--especially one which is actually of a different length for the author than for me--is a nice boon. If I'd already ordered the whole set, I might think differently, but I haven't, so I don't.
I appreciate them as well, and the latest offerings are big. [:)]
I'm not sure yet if it is a bug or not (too soon for me to think about it in that detail), but on the surface, it does seem to be, as each of the Logos (not Vyrso) resources have page numbers.
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Gordon Jones said:
Thanks Logos!
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Bruce Dunning said:I appreciate the free book offers each month as well as the $.99 deal that accompanies them. Once again I have the books being offered but I'm pleased for others. This is an excellent series.
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Gordon Jones said:
The plus one, for 99 cents, is Gary Derickson's commentary on John's epistles in the same series
I have really wanted this one. I read an article by the author on a passage in 1 John, and was quite impressed with his interpretation. The author has the unique credentials of having come from an agricultural background, so he presents a unique take on the subject.
EDIT: I was thinking of his interpretation of a passage in John's Gospel. Still excited to have the resource. [:)]
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The EEC volumes don't have page numbers because they're digital first, not digital copies of paper volumes. There's a thread on here somewhere with that discussion.
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Wow! These EEC Commentaries are absolutely wonderful. Just got them, and by browsing through them, this is some good exegetical stuff. Thanks so much FAITHLIFE! I hope they offer another one at $1.99 like they did with N.T Wight's books! I am very appreciative of these commentaries.
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Mark Barnes said:
The EEC volumes don't have page numbers because they're digital first, not digital copies of paper volumes. There's a thread on here somewhere with that discussion.
Thanks Mark. That makes sense, and also answers the question of "Is it a bug?" without further thought.
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Mark Smith said:
It might be a bit of a problem for those who subscribed to the series being told that would be the only way it would be made available. Then they were told that changed and people could buy the books individually. Some have paid 'full price' for these commentaries through subscription believing they were getting the best price. Now, oops, that has changed.
Those who chose to subscribe originally paid a hefty price to them own them all, and with the promise they would not be available separately. Since Logos has changed their minds, I think it would be best if they made it up to those who first bought in.
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Thanks for the free book again FL. These look like a couple of useful volumes. [Y]
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Mark Smith said:Steve said:
Don't be unhappy, Whyndell. It's always good to read and learn more, even though it may not be your preference.
It might be a bit of a problem for those who subscribed to the series being told that would be the only way it would be made available. Then they were told that changed and people could buy the books individually. Some have paid 'full price' for these commentaries through subscription believing they were getting the best price. Now, oops, that has changed.
In the larger perspective, if these offerings attract more people to the series that may help assure the series gets completed.
I did not subscribe, and understand the frustration of those who did. However, the value of this set will increase if, and only if, more people are attracted to it. It also needs to be out in print to become a standard commentary set accepted by the scholarly world. (Oh, I just realized that they are available in hardback. Great! Logos is always a step ahead of me.) Otherwise, it will fade away. So in the long run this is a good thing for the series, and those who own it. These offerings will give many people their first chance to evaluate this set of commentaries in a meaningful way.
I certainly want to thank Logos for the opportunity to have these two volumes.
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
I tried to check within Logos, but to my amazement, there is no visual filter to show page numbers, however, I was able to extract that information from the description on Amazon. It appears that the hardcover edition is 798 pages.
http://www.amazon.com/John-Evangelical-Exegetical-Commentary/dp/1577995759
I had already intended to get this for $0.99, but now there is just no excuse not to! That works out to an astonishing $0.0010122699 per page, in case money is tight for anyone else and they need to justify every purchase.
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Mark Barnes said:
The EEC volumes don't have page numbers because they're digital first, not digital copies of paper volumes. There's a thread on here somewhere with that discussion.
That doesn't explain the inconsistency regarding why the Esther volume has a page count listed but the volume on John's epistles does not. I am not complaining, but rather simply noting that it is odd, especially since the latter is available in print and it's page count is not an unknown variable. Very thankful for this offer, page numbers or not!
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Steve said:
Don't be unhappy, Whyndell. It's always good to read and learn more, even though it may not be your preference.
Not that, bought the series- they haven't even completed it and they are giving away copies- go figure!
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Whyndell Grizzard said:Steve said:
Don't be unhappy, Whyndell. It's always good to read and learn more, even though it may not be your preference.
Not that, bought the series- they haven't even completed it and they are giving away copies- go figure!
I did read the other post- I understand the other positions- but still.[:#]
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Whyndell Grizzard said:Steve said:
Don't be unhappy, Whyndell. It's always good to read and learn more, even though it may not be your preference.
Not that, bought the series- they haven't even completed it and they are giving away copies- go figure!
I have come to learn Logos is very biased in its marketing programs toward free things for new/casual/low end purchasers. The focus is on how can we bring in new customers.
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A page count is one thing - page numbers are another.
The web site boasts:
[quote]"The EEC is the very first commentary series produced first in electronic form.
Doing this has enabled Logos to link each volume to the other resources of their massive electronic library. Additionally, the electronic volumes may contain such items as charts, graphs, timelines, and photos. Another benefit of the electronic edition is that authors will be able to add to their original contribution when new archaeological discoveries or additional insights become available. Thus, the owner of this series can benefit from an expanding resource."To put page numbers on a potentially expanding resource would be frustrating.
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I remember the ECC conversations. At the time, and still, I thought the ECC buyers were the type that put their money behind their beliefs (complement).
I have to figure Logos thought about marketing at the time? Maybe they unpromised.
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I don't think its going to go away that people evaluate books and value at least partially based on the number of pages. Might as well just assign a reasonable page number based on something like 11 Pt Times New Roman Font on an 8.5 X 11" page with 1 " margins and standard font spacing.
BTW, I am VERY grateful for these free books! I never look at page numbers much anyway. Thanks!
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Steve said:
Don't be unhappy, Whyndell. It's always good to read and learn more, even though it may not be your preference.
I think Whyndell is upset that this is another example of those who pony up the money via Pre-pubs getting burned. I know I order far fewer and cancel far more Pre-Pubs because of things like this. [:(]
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Gao Lu said:
Might as well just assign a reasonable page number based on something like 11 Pt Times New Roman Font on an 8.5 X 11" page with 1 " margins and standard font spacing.
Good idea; bad execution. I don't think I've ever seen a print book at 8.5 x 11" in my life. Better to estimate page length based on the standard format of a book's genre. For example, they could use the print BECNT volumes as a formatting model for the EEC estimates.
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Thanks Logos! This is a great deal.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
Not that, bought the series- they haven't even completed it and they are giving away copies- go figure!
I purchased the series too. I still think we got an overall better deal than waiting...even when some of the books are offered for free.
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Matthew said:Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
I tried to check within Logos, but to my amazement, there is no visual filter to show page numbers, however, I was able to extract that information from the description on Amazon. It appears that the hardcover edition is 798 pages.
http://www.amazon.com/John-Evangelical-Exegetical-Commentary/dp/1577995759
I had already intended to get this for $0.99, but now there is just no excuse not to! That works out to an astonishing $0.0010122699 per page, in case money is tight for anyone else and they need to justify every purchase.
$0.99 is not enough to justify debating within oneself for days on end whether to buy or not. [:)]
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My thoughts are that page numbers will eventually be implemented in the digital edition.
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arghh...[8o|]
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Thanks Logos!
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Denise said:
I remember the EEC conversations. At the time, and still, I thought the EEC buyers were the type that put their money behind their beliefs (complement)
I am happy for those who get to have these commentaries for almost nothing! But the timing of offering two EEC for (almost) free isn't great. Those of us who put our money in up front have been receiving almost no status up dates at all, and if there was any news, it's almost always: "unfortunately, there are new delays. But rest assured we are still excited about this project!". We haven't received any new volumes for quite a while, and all volumes slated for this year won't come out until towards the end of the year, next year, the year after, or after we receive another typical "status update".
In the meanwhile, several volumes have been sold at great discounts or given away. The early investors are still waiting for about 90% of the series that is still advertised as being finished in 2019. I simply don't think that the people who put in $700-$1000 up front before they had seen anything, just believing Faithlife on its word, have been taken seriously. It's not just that promises have been made about which Faithlife had to change its mind, but also the poor way Logos communicates about this whole project. The limited value that the early investors have seen for their hundreds of dollars, has been given away to others or made available for very low prices. Great for the lucky others, but I think Faithlife needs to start communicating accurate information (most dates on the website are still inaccurate or overly optimistic), and understand better the feelings of those who trusted the company to deliver what they sold.
The EEC is a stellar series, and we should be excited about it. But I'm afraid I've lost my initial excitement and keep wondering whether I made the right choice to purchase the whole series, or not.
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André Kamphuis said:
hose of us who put our money in up front have been receiving almost no status up dates at all, and if there was any news, it's almost always: "unfortunately, there are new delays. But rest assured we are still excited about this project!". We haven't received any new volumes for quite a while, and all volumes slated for this year won't come out until towards the end of the year, next year, the year after, or after we receive another typical "status update".
In the meanwhile, several volumes have been sold at great discounts or given away. The early investors are still waiting for about 90% of the series that is still advertised as being finished in 2019.
André, I am sorry to read about these frustrations. I would hope that FL would be fair-play about this and perhaps provide a partial refund (really something of a discount) in the form of credit to those who have invested in the product as you have. FL staff may see this thread and respond, but if not, perhaps EEC series purchasers should take the initiative and bring this to their attention.
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I too came on-board with EEC from the start, so also disappointed with what often feels like a broken promise. I'm happy that others get access to these works, but it still stings and I feel the pain. Sadly, not sure I'd front up to any such future "offer" at this kind of price scale. I'm more inclined to take the risk and go along for the free ride if it ever happens, and "too bad" if the project failed.
I'm not angry - just sad.
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Bob said this:
(the bolded text is original)Bob Pritchett said:I try to set expectations such that I'll never disappoint people. Of course I constantly disappoint people, because people always bring their own expectations into the equation -- but I like to think that they'll never be able to point to a promise I made that I failed to deliver on.
Here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/105177/727348.aspx#727348
So, if you feel that there is a broken promise here, perhaps he has not noticed or does not realize that this is how you feel about it (or perhaps there may be disagreement on what the promise was). I really think you guys should bring it up to FL's attention.
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Francis said:
I really think you guys should bring it up to FL's attention.
Thanks for the advice, Francis. I have written to Bob and included a link to this thread.
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Well said Andre. My sentiments too.
It would be nice to see a Faithlife response to confirm that they understand the frustration of those who bought the series early and also a bit more explanation of the long delays in the production of the remaining volumes (several of which are said to have been completed as far as writing is concerned so it seems it is Faithlife production effort that is needed now to publish them).
In the software world where I work, when we are not really sure when we will produce a release, if ever, we tend to say "by the end of the year". Hopefully the release dates currently communicated by Logos for the volumes this year are more certain than our software dates!
Jim
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Mark Smith said:
It might be a bit of a problem for those who subscribed to the series being told that would be the only way it would be made available. Then they were told that changed and people could buy the books individually. Some have paid 'full price' for these commentaries through subscription believing they were getting the best price. Now, oops, that has changed.
I was one of the original subscribers, but I also argued that Logos should make them available for individual sale.
My only comment about the free plus offer is "I must own too much Logos resources because I seldom get a freebie" [:'(]
[:D] Would use a tongue in cheek graphic, but that would run the danger of biting said tongue [:D]
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As someone who bought in early to this series I understand what people are saying. Certainly there are a few issues here. One is communication of release dates and the other is a feeling of getting a raw deal because we paid for titles that are now being offered for free or almost free.
I agree that some more communication on how things are going would be nice but I believe that Faithlife has sent me updates about most, if not all of the updates.
As far as getting a raw deal is concerned I'm reminded of the parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard in Matthew 20 when the laborers who worked all day received the same pay as the ones who only worked part of the day. When the workers complained at the end of the day the owner responded and said "Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’" Faithlife is being generous to others and I choose to rejoice with those who are benefiting from this generous offer.
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André Kamphuis said:Francis said:
I really think you guys should bring it up to FL's attention.
Thanks for the advice, Francis. I have written to Bob and included a link to this thread.
I was contemplating doing this—in fact, it may be good for all the original subscribers to duplicate your message.
Bruce Dunning said:As far as getting a raw deal is concerned I'm reminded of the parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard in Matthew 20 when the laborers who worked all day received the same pay as the ones who only worked part of the day. When the workers complained at the end of the day the owner responded and said "Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’" Faithlife is being generous to others and I choose to rejoice with those who are benefiting from this generous offer.
I do rejoice with those who are now getting a good deal, but also feel that FL has dropped the ball in its treatment of the original subscribers. It has been almost a year since the last volume was released, and I do not remember any communication from FL concerning the constant delays in production. The published volumes are excellent, but the production schedule does not match the original advertising hype. Should have expected it, however, as Logos marketing is normally "over promise—under deliver."
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Bruce,
Yes I'm aware of Matt 20, but that is NOT the point.
We had been told things back when we ordered like "the only way it will be sold" etc. I think one of the first few posts in this thread captured the words better than I remember.
In the Matt 20 story, everyone at the beginning still got what they had agreed to. And those later too got what was agreed. No one got ripped off or let down.
If you read the MANY posts over the years about EEC, I think you will find the issue is not that those later got a great deal, but that the original deal had never been honoured!
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Bruce Dunning said:
As far as getting a raw deal is concerned I'm reminded of the parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard in Matthew 20 when the laborers who worked all day received the same pay as the ones who only worked part of the day. When the workers complained at the end of the day the owner responded and said "Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’" Faithlife is being generous to others and I choose to rejoice with those who are benefiting from this generous offer.
You would bring up the Bible! [;)]
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