Why you might want to try Logos Cloud

If for no other reason, because it will let you have free access to many resources you may not own during the month of July. This is a handy way to test-drive some resources you may be interested in but are not sure about. For instance, want to know what you could do with the High Definition NT or OT? You can find out. Want to know whether that ICC volume would be a good purchase? You can find out.

The best part of the deal is this: FL has set this up in a totally fool-proof situation. When you sign up, you are NOT actually subscribed to the service. At the end of the month, there is nothing to cancel. Access will simply cease. If you did want to sign up longer term, you'd have to do that as a separate step.

Here is the link with more info:

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/105182.aspx

I don't know if there is a list of the resources one has access too yet.

EDITED the title to reflect some of the concerns some posters have (see below).

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Graham Criddle

The best part of the deal is this: FL has set this up in a totally fool-proof situation. When you sign up, you are NOT actually subscribed to the service. At the end of the month, there is nothing to cancel. Access will simply cease. If you did want to sign up longer term, you'd have to do that as a separate step.

I didn't read it that way.

From the link you referenced.

When will it be available?

Phase 1 (May 19–May 31)

We'll launch LogosCloud.com and let people sign up to be the first to participate in Logos Cloud. Everyone who joins during this time will get access to the $49.99/mo. library for the month of June. We'll encourage everyone to invite their friends to sign up to join the preview period.

Phase 2 (June 1–June 30)

Everyone who signed up to participate will be able to start using the $49.99/mo. level and will be able to continue to send invites to their friends. We'll be extending invites and letting more people in throughout the month.

Phase 3 (July 1– )

Logos Cloud will be live and available to the general public. Everyone will be able to start their first month free, even if they participated in the early access in June. After that free month, you'll be billed at the monthly or annual rate of your choice.

Doesn't this suggest that if you are signed up and don't "unsign" this will become something you are subscribed to and are charged for (from the beginning of August)?

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/731954#Comment_731954

Sorry, Graham, I am doing too much multitasking right now and did not read your question to the end. Here is what I referred to:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/105538/730623.aspx#730623

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/731954#Comment_731954

Doesn't this suggest that if you are signed up and don't "unsign" this will become something you are subscribed to and are charged for (from the beginning of August)?

No. Sign up currently is following a Faithlife group, which means many people don't even have given payment information to Faithlife.

The free licence we received is not a real subscription showing on the account, and as I understood info from Bradley (?) is a different licence than the one coming with the subscription. I think it's comparable to the closed beta licences (like when Ask-The-Author was initially tested with a couple of books) which were given to try a feature and revoked after the beta.

https://logoscloud.com/ says that subscription will start in July. Faithlife employees have confirmed either in the forum or the FL group (probably on both sites) that the current tryout will expire June 30th and not automatically transfer to a subscription. Which is smarter anyway (in terms of all the CS effort from handling 'unintended' subscriptions) and doesn't provoke people into claiming that Faithlife tricks unsuspecting old ladies into buying stuff they don't want.

EDIT: FL's Chris DuMond explained it in detail: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/105538/730651.aspx#730651

Cynthia Tucker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/731963#Comment_731963

I tried to "Try" it, but after an hour I've received no downloads. Maybe I already have everything? That's why it would be helpful to see a list of resources, so I know if anything should have downloaded.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732015#Comment_732015

I don't know whether it kicks in that quickly, but you can also try to access app.logos.com.

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732018#Comment_732018

Francis,

I appreciate your enthusiasm regarding Logos Cloud. However, I do think some cautions are in order.

The resources are downloaded and indexed on your computer. Mine was 2.7 gigs. I cancelled free subscription before the downloading.

The pricing is not dynamically priced for those with a significant library.

The resources will not be removed when the subscription is up.

Currently there is no easy way to remove the residue left after 30 days.

The cost/benefit of remaining a subscriber after 30 days without dynamic pricing for many users going to be a bad economic decision. As a result the majority of those users will not subscribe.

If you do not care that there are up to 4 gigs of books left on your hard drive and in your index, then these cautions can be ignored. For me it is not worth messing with my library as I have it currently set up for 30 days of reviewing hundreds of additional books.

Reuben Helmuth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732024#Comment_732024

The resources will not be removed when the subscription is up.

Currently there is no easy way to remove the residue left after 30 days

Do you have a reputable source that you're quoting on this? As I understand it, when a user "hides" resources they actually get deleted from his hard drive (although the licenses obviously remain). I guess I assumed that the same thing would happen when a license expires, and if not a user could hide those books on the last day of the month. Am I off on my understanding?

EDIT: John, I don't mean to imply that your own opinion is not reputable! [;)]

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732026#Comment_732026

A work-around would be to perform a backup before the download that can be restored after the trial period is over. An alternative would be to remove manually the resource files from the resource folder by sorting them by date.

I would not describe myself as enthusiastic about Logos Cloud. I don't really have much of an opinon either good or bad about it. My post was pragmatic: an opportunity for those who want to test-drive a bunch of resources.

Bruce Roth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732031#Comment_732031

I am hoping that there will be a tidy method made available to remove the resources from the HD. I did not realize that simply following the FL group meant that you were signing up. I now have 4GB of resources that I want to remove. I assumed from the beginning that "cloud" meant resources were in the cloud, not locally.

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732026#Comment_732026

Ruben,

Yes, I had to contact customer services to get removed from Logos Cloud, as I signed up for the 2.7 gig download inadvertently and had to determine how to undo the process. I am speaking from experience and communication (4 calls) with support.

They may change things within the next 30 days, but as of now that is how it is. Losing your license is like canceling a resource. It stays on your HD.

There is risk you will remove or hide resources you own. The person subscribing to this trial period needs to be willing to leave the resources on their HD unless Logos changes the process and removes unlicensed resources automatically after the trial period.

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732039#Comment_732039

Bruce's situation is exactly what I am warning about. This trial subscription is not for everyone.

Bruce, you may be able to sort your library by update date and then hide those resources. The risk is that you may hide something you own that was also recently updated. Logos is working on a list of Cloud resources, but you still will need to go through the list for owned resources. Support suggested to cancel Logos Cloud; sign out of the Faithlife group; and reinstall Logos. Not exactly a painless process.

Just a warning for those that may be tempted to try Cloud. I am not saying not to proceed, but to do so knowing the consequences at this point in time. Trying Cloud for those with a large library is NOT a no-brainer. Think it through first.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732042#Comment_732042

Another, similar method, would be to tag all the additions as "cloud" (using the "last updated" column in the library). Then at the end of the trial period, "hide" them all (which has for effect to remove the local files). This is precisely what I intend on doing.

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732044#Comment_732044

Francis,

How do you know the download does not include updates to resources you already own, or Theological Journals being updated currently? Not a bad solution, but if the subscription expires before you hide them you have no means of identifying them after.

Not really wanting to argue or disagree. Enjoy the new resources and let us know what you think. Not everyone will think things through as thoroughly as you.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732046#Comment_732046

I am not saying this is tidy. FL needs to fix this problem. Probably an oversight on their part.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732049#Comment_732049

Faithlife has said in at least one other thread that they're working on this. They have all month; I'm not worried.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732081#Comment_732081

Faithlife has said in at least one other thread that they're working on this.

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/105692/731742.aspx#731742

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732115#Comment_732115

Here is a list (admittedly not comprehensive) of what comes in the download. NOTE: it only shows whats new to me, and there may be a book or two that are not part of cloud (IE free vyrso title or book of the month or some such). Any way its the closest thing I could find to a list of whats offered

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/732115#Comment_732115

Faithlife has said in at least one other thread that they're working on this.

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/105692/731742.aspx#731742

Thanks Bradley for the info. This is good to know and will save some calls to support.