Are there any worthwhile LOGOS resources addressing this issue? I see a number of resources, but I do not know how to evaluate their value. Thanks for any leads.
One of the best is "The Same Sex Controversy" James White- its the only one that is truly biblical.
I could only get a couple hits in my library (doing a headword search)-
This sermon from the John Piper collections, and this article in the ESV Study Bible.
I don't know what else might be available from FL.
I'd sure love to have a transcript of James White's evaluation of Matthew Vines' God and the Gay Christian, which can be heard here. It is about six hours worth of point-by-point, scripturally-based dialog.
If there are other resources already in Logos, hopefully others will post links.
Didn't remember that one. Here's the link.
I have seen very positive reviews of this one. I'm looking forward to when it goes into production.
https://www.logos.com/product/36491/getting-the-marriage-conversation-right-a-guide-for-effective-dialogue
Logos may not be quick to render decisions on the subject ... But our Supreme Court sure did.
Science, Scripture, and Same-Sex Love Is a pretty decent book from Vyrso. I have only skimmed through it but it seems a balanced look.
-Dan
Here is a scholarly collection of essays on the topic from the conservative side - dealing with biblical passages, legal/religious liberty issues, counseling issues:
https://www.logos.com/product/30991/homosexuality-marriage-and-the-church-biblical-counseling-and-religious-liberty-issues
Kevin DeYoung's book, available on Vyrso, may be of interest: https://vyrso.com/product/50435/what-does-the-bible-really-teach-about-homosexuality
Michael Brown's Can You Be Gay and Christian has some good food for thought.
There are many Bible versions available in Logos.
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https://vyrso.com/product/23292/washed-and-waiting-reflections-on-christian-faithfulness-and-homosexuality
https://vyrso.com/product/33336/the-secret-thoughts-of-an-unlikely-convert-an-english-professors-journey-into-christian-faith
I have read both of these books and they are very good. Both of them are on VYRSO. I would recommend them to anyone!
Homosexuality: Contemporary Claims Examined in Light of the Bible and Other Ancient Literature and Law
I've enjoyed this resource so far, although it's a bit of a slower, critical look.
Some nice resources mentioned [Y]
I'd like to point out a resource in this collection - https://www.logos.com/product/50147/select-works-of-sean-and-josh-mcdowell called Same-Sex Marriage: A Thoughtful Approach to God’s Design for Marriage. It's not available individually but the package is not expensive though.
The latest ETS journal has a couple articles on the subject. If anyone needs me to get them a copy of these articles, I have access to them through my ETS membership. I could search my journals collection and see if any of the archives have any good stuff as well.
I highly recommend Kevin DeYoung https://vyrso.com/product/50435/what-does-the-bible-really-teach-about-homosexuality
Written by a conservative pastor as a resource for his church members. Addresses the Biblical passages and common questions. A free study guide is available from Crossway.
I also highly recommend David Platt https://vyrso.com/product/41317/counter-culture Addresses 9 different cultural issues with thorough Biblical basis. SBC
https://vyrso.com/product/44944/a-compassionate-call-to-counter-culture-in-a-world-of-same-sex-marriage is the chapter from Platt's book on the subject.
Walker & Teetsel https://vyrso.com/product/53101/marriage-is-how-marriage-transforms-society-and-cultivates-human-flourishing Brand new from directors of Manhattan Declaration and SBC ERLC.
Chip Ingram https://vyrso.com/product/38632/culture-shock-a-biblical-response-to-todays-most-divisive-issues
Glenn Stanton https://vyrso.com/product/41526/loving-my-lgbt-neighbor-being-friends-in-grace-and-truth Focus on the Family researcher
Barr & Citlau https://vyrso.com/product/46022/compassion-without-compromise-how-the-gospel-frees-us-to-love-our-gay-friends-without-losing-the-truth
Peter Hubbard https://vyrso.com/product/33314/love-into-light-the-gospel-the-homosexual-and-the-church
William Campbell https://vyrso.com/product/21738/turning-controversy-into-church-ministry-a-christlike-response-to-homosexuality Highly rated
Wesley Hill https://vyrso.com/product/23292/washed-and-waiting-reflections-on-christian-faithfulness-and-homosexuality by a celibate gay Christian
Paul Nyquist https://vyrso.com/product/47164/prepare-living-your-faith-in-an-increasingly-hostile-culture MBI president
Andreas Kostenberger https://vyrso.com/product/14440/god-marriage-and-family-rebuilding-the-biblical-foundation Thorough examination of contemporary controversies from Biblical perspective.
Thanks for pointing to that in a collection. I wondered why I couldn't find it in Logos.
I always thought Genesis 3 and the part of Leviticus that says "Be Holy" was universal and true for all.
By the way there is no such thing as same sex (insert other word here but I never will).
Unholy Unions is what I call them.
May Jesus pull them to shore (like he did me) all those years ago when I was drowning in cultural darkness and unholy (God-distancing) sin.
Thanks be to God for The Cross and a Christ who longs that LGBT embrace His Light rather than let people pat them on their back on the way toward everlasting darkness.
Rightly applying the Bible is all thats needed. God bless you with that Mr. Johnson.
We are all compelled to tell the boldly tell truth in love (standing in a wide gap of biblical ignorance) and not sugarcoat boldfaced, flagrant, vile, sins that destroy. Thank God He has a plan and destroyed the enemy (and ultimately has victory) despite the enemy's tool, SCOTUS, which has clearly tried to desecrate marriage and family as God designed it.
I recommend GOD MARRIAGE AND FAMILY BY Andreas J. Kostenberger. Its a vital resource - but I think currently missing from Logos.Here is a link to it on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/God-Marriage-Family-Second-Rebuilding/dp/1433503646/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435443504&sr=8-1&keywords=god+marriage+and+family+kostenberger
Joshua
I'd like to point out a resource in this collection - https://www.logos.com/product/50147/select-works-of-sean-and-josh-mcdowell called Same-Sex Marriage: A Thoughtful Approach to God’s Design for Marriage. It's not available individually but the package is not expensive though. Thanks for pointing to that in a collection. I wondered why I couldn't find it in Logos.
YW and thanks for posting the resources you posted.
Thanks for the post, Edwin. That's really helpful.
A short youtube video showing N T Wright talking about definitions dealing with the word marriage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKxvOMOmHeI
Searched Heading Text, Large Text in All Resources with match all word forms:
("same-sex",civil) WITHIN 5 WORDS (marriage,union)
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I recommend GOD MARRIAGE AND FAMILY BY Andreas J. Kostenberger. Its a vital resource - but I think currently missing from Logos.
It's in Vyrso
https://vyrso.com/product/14440/god-marriage-and-family-rebuilding-the-biblical-foundation
Douglas Wilson is very thoughtful and articulate in presenting what marriage IS. Check out his works.
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I recommend GOD MARRIAGE AND FAMILY BY Andreas J. Kostenberger
Joshua: as I'm sure you already know, those who have jettisoned Sola Scriptura aren't interested in the kinds of things Dr. K. would say. And as I'm also sure you already know, the next two battlefields: one concerns the rights of "conscientious objector" Pastors being compelled by judicial fiat to accommodate the dumpster-fire that SCOTUS ignited, and the other concerns the "B" in LGBT; the "B" demands polygamy. No, folks, this isn't over and it's going to get much, much worse.
...the "B" in LGBT; the "B" demands polygamy. No, folks, this isn't over and it's going to get much, much worse.
Polygamy is not a concern, for sociopolitical reasons. The chief sociopolitical ally of the LGBT movement has always been those feminists who seek to socially, politically, economically, and physically displace and replace men with women. Polygamy does not achieve that aim, because polygamy has historically, sociologically, and anthropologically been expressed in the supermajority of cases as polygyny, one man with multiple wives, which necessitates the man being the head of the household without question. And no matter how the current immoral movements go about it, they won't be able to prevent that most common result if they advocate for polygamy, and they know it.
As a gentle reminder to all, from the forum guidelines:
"Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics."
Instead, please go here to do that.
As a gentle reminder to all, from the forum guidelines: "Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics." Instead, please go here to do that.
Guilty. Thanks for heading us off.
or other controversial topics
You are correct.
But, isn't it interesting that observations in opposition to the profanation of marriage are considered controversial among Christians?
Or perhaps your statement was controversial for other reasons - it was, at least for me.
The whole topic is controversial, no matter where one's beliefs lie on the spectrum. Mentioning book titles pro or con (which is what this thread had tactfully been confined to up until recently), is not really a "discussion" of a topic. But when it turns to advocating for one side or another of a contentious issue, then it has strayed beyond the forum guidelines. And it's not because forum guidelines favor one side over the other, or that someone is defending orthodoxy and the forum gives free reign to heterodoxy. It's simply because whenever anybody pushes for one side or the other, it quickly spirals out of control and starts turning ugly (name-calling and the like). We've seen it happen multiple times before on these forums. So we need to avoid those kinds of conversations, and that's why the forum guidelines were put in place. They remind us to keep it civil, even if we might encounter someone here that we would disagree with if we had the freedom to chat about it in person. Those sorts of discussions really are better had in person anyway, because you have the context of a relationship with the person you're disagreeing with and you can love them anyway even if you don't see eye to eye. Whereas in an online forum, it's all too easy to sling accusations and hurt people and bring calumny to the name of Christ. And arguing about something online never, never works to win someone over to your perspective. Really, believe me. It never works.
the "B" in LGBT; the "B" demands polygamy.
Bisexuality does not demand polygamy, that would be the equivalent of saying heterosexual men who find other women attractive must have them.... Although a challenge to Polygamy is more likely to be launched by splintered LDS sects that teach it as their God given right.
or other controversial topics You are correct. But, isn't it interesting that observations in opposition to the profanation of marriage are considered controversial among Christians?
Since you asked me, no, I think not*. Nor need it be to fun afoul of the guidelines: the nature of marriage is a topic for theology, and these forums, per the guidelines, do not exist for theological discussions. I have nothing against theological discussions, even on the Internet, but this is the wrong place.
*My reasons for thinking not are in fair part of a theological nature and thus are outside the purview of these forums.
Exegetically solid, available in Logos.
Homosexuality: Contemporary Claims Examined in Light of the Bible and Other Ancient Literature and Law by James B. De Young
[View:https://www.logos.com/product/47062/homosexuality-contemporary-claims-examined-in-light-of-the-bible-and-other-ancient-literature-and-law:550:0]
Robert A.J. Gagnon
The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics
Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views
(neither is in Logos as far as I know)
Ted and JRS...thanks for the solid suggestions. Some of the others above are good too. Special thanks to Edwin...great lead in Vyrso.
While purchasing the book you pointed me to which I used for class I also discovered this among others.
https://vyrso.com/product/41992/a-christ-centered-wedding-rejoicing-in-the-gospel-on-your-big-day
God help us rescue the perishing...
God be glorified...Jesus Lead On!
Joshua in RI
I found this in my reading within Opening Genesis a Logos book I am using as I study Genesis 18 & 19.
I thoroughly recommend this book. It offers Hope...and never holds back on Biblical Truth.
I think it may be valuable in the "unholy union" Topic this forum topic originally points to as well.
Joshua in Rhode Island
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Gay_Gospel.html?id=-oW2afN9FWQC
This book and several others listed at the bottom using left and right arrrow may be useful to some.
Joe Dallas is pretty on target.
Then again any good book on the Sanctity of Marriage as God intended it in Genesis would be worth reading too.
I think keeping in the mind the whole of Scripture is vital too and NOT being afraid to open up a whole text and NOT just a few words from Scripture.
To me the operative question will always be: What did God design and intend and how are marriage/family kept holy Biblically?
