ANNOUNCE: Faithlife ending Logos 5.2b support on September 21, 2015
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From https://www.logos.com/product/46767/logos-6-core-engine
Features Limited by Your Library
- Autocomplete
- Everything Search
- Factbook
- Journals (Guide Section)
- Textual Variants (Guide Section)
- Visual Copy
Features Not Included in the Core Engine
- Ancient Literature (Guide Section)
- Atlas
- Books.Logos.com (Search Section)
- Clause Participants (Guide Section)
- Community Tags
- Counting the Ten Commandments
- Cultural Concepts
- Factbook Bible Book Guides
- Greek and Hebrew Alphabet Tutors
- Hebrew Cantillation Structure
- Interactive Media
- Interlinear Explorers
- Lexicon Alignment
- Logos Media
- Morph Charts
- Numeric Converter
- Online Manuscripts
- Online Media
- Propositional Outlines
- Proverbs Explorer
- Psalms Explorer
- Semantic Roles and Case Frames
- Senses (Guide Section)
- Text Converter
- Timeline
- Weights and Measures Converter
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Sorry but I still don't understand
The things you have listed are new things, so not things you will lose from what you already have.
Or am I missing your point?
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Just to emphasize Graham's point:
The "features not included in the Core engine" are new to Logos 6 but they have to be purchased separately. You keep all the features you have in Logos 5.
The "Features limited by your library" are new Logos 6 features that you get for free with the free Core engine! But the results you get from them depend on the resources/features you have in Logos 5. Factbook includes the features you have in Bible Facts from Logos 5 but will provide additional information depending on your library.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Rick I understand why you may be missing the functionality of a full crossgrade. But Logos 6 core upgrade should give you the same functionality you had in Logos 5, please note your older Atlas resources will still be there the Atlas features that come with full 6.x is a massive new atlas that exists only on Logos servers, it has been estimated when complete to be well over 3 terabytes. I personally have not even looked at it as I prefer using local resources. There are other options out there if you decide to leave Logos but you will find more limited amounts of resource selection. Not that I will name it but my other primary software's windows version is still XP compatible. I really do think you should download the core Logos 6 and see how it works for you, if it is not satisfactory it shouldn't be too hard to find the other software and download their trial version.
-Dan
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Thanks, Dave, et.al. I feel better about not losing but the choice is do nothing and lose support or risk changes and get support.
I am not a scholar and my vocation is not in the ministry and although the 6 feature set looks impressive there's very little reason to have stuff I don't plan to use. Logos has outgrown my application and my budget.
Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use? Why can't I get support for new content on whatever version meets my needs instead of tying code and content together and forcing me to pay for both endlessly?
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Rick LeMarr said:
I am not a scholar and my vocation is not in the ministry and although the 6 feature set looks impressive there's very little reason to have stuff I don't plan to use. Logos has outgrown my application and my budget.
Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use? Why can't I get support for new content on whatever version meets my needs instead of tying code and content together and forcing me to pay for both endlessly?
Logos has made an effort to always make the core software free.... They delay making the core engine free from day one of release for 2 reasons I believe, they do not want their servers over taxed on release day and the bugs get worked out a bit before the free version comes out. 6 came out November 2014 by February 2015 the free core engine was available to everyone. Ideally I wish it could be available to all day one but the reasons i stated as well as the official reason of trying to recoup development costs are valid. My other software Accordance never has free major version upgrades and costs each time (now their release times seem to be about every two years verses FL goal of a yearly update). Now using Accordance as an example.. They have for download older versions... these are relatively unsupported and numerous releases and many new releases state 10.4.x and higher required for this. They have made modest changes to version 9 to correct a few bugs even though it officially went out of support back in 2012. I mention this to show you that even a company that charges for their program tends to offer very little support to the older versions. Version 5 is something you can continue to use if you want, and on your computer it will function as it always has. Eventually changes to the syncing protocols will mean it will not always update... In order to provide you continuous service at no cost to you, you have the option of a free update to the Logos 6 engine (with no new features). I will admit FL is self serving in adding features and asking you to upgrade to get all the bells and whistles added in. We do not have to "drink the cool-aid" And many of us have felt that it would be laudable to have a cheaper entry level package, but FL has told us they wish to keep the entry level package at the $300 level, that is there choice others may offer an entry package as low as $59 but that is their business decision. But by FL offering the free engine the are in no way forcing you to pay endlessly. They are simply stating we will not be offering you support on the old version, you are free to download the current version and receive support in it.
-Dan
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Rick LeMarr said:
Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use?
The "6 feature set" is FREE but they can be hidden or ignored e.g. the two Guide sections can be excluded when you tailor/customize a Guide. Autocomplete is an extension of providing menu options when you start typing in a guide, search or Factbook (for example). Everything search is a compendium of independent search tools but you don't have to use it! And you don't have to use Visual Copy from the Tools menu.
Factbook is Bible Facts with a new interface.
You also get Inline Search where you use the resource for the search and the results are highlighted in the resource.
You can create labels in resources as part of Highlighting; providing attributes and values that you can search for i.e. personal tagging.
Just give v6 a go.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I'm unconvinced.
Logos 5.2b will not be disabled. Your existing install will continue to run with the resources you already have. However, new resources purchased from logos.com may not be readable in Logos 5.2b
Logos is breaking v5 by binding new content to v6 code. Upgrade or else is the message. I spent way more than $10K and I can't keep what I have or I may not get the content in prepubs and future content. I'm very disappointed.
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Rick LeMarr said:
Logos is breaking v5 by binding new content to v6 code
I don't see they are breaking L5 - in fact Bradley said the opposite. They are saying that some new resources will need L6 to work.
Rick LeMarr said:I spent way more than $10K and I can't keep what I have or I may not get the content in prepubs and future content.
But I still don't understand why you are opposed to moving to the free L6 core engine.
What was there in the earlier responses which did not address your concerns?
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A comment from a theology student /user to you, Rick LeMarr, If I may:
I own Logos 5, I just installed Logos 6 Core on my Macbook Air,
and my experience is:
It is faster, easier to search, many new services, nothing old is missing.
There is hardly any visual changes and everything is better, and it did not cost me anything. It is just like an slightly improved Logos 5 program.
Recommended and never doubted.
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Reminder: Logos 5.2b support ends today.
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I was debating the intent of Support ending on a Monday as in "does support end at the start of Monday?". So do we now have support until the end of Monday[:)]
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Now I'm doubly deprecated!
3.g & 5.2b
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