ANNOUNCE: Faithlife ending Logos 5.2b support on September 21, 2015
Comments
-
I did get the Logos 6 Core and am quite happy that I finally see the Logos we were promised when Logos 4 was announced but logos is no longer my goto bible study tool I just use it for the resources I had invested in all these years when I need them. I lost faith in Logos or Faithlife to deliver on their promises. That's where I'm at but doesn't mean everyone else feels the same, I can only go after dangled carrots for so long before I get wise and realize I'll never get it and move on.
0 -
Yes, but you won't be able to copy notes from L3 to L6 if one of them is in a VM.
I am not 100% sure how those things work in the window's world but most VM programs on the mac side do allow for copy and paste, he may just need to look for a different VM program.
-Dan
0 -
Yes, but you won't be able to copy notes from L3 to L6 if one of them is in a VM.
I am not 100% sure how those things work in the window's world but most VM programs on the mac side do allow for copy and paste, he may just need to look for a different VM program.
I think Mark may have been talking about running the "import notes" command in Logos 6, which requires the LDLS3 note files to be on the C:\ drive of the host computer, not in a VM. (Regular copy-and-paste via the clipboard should work fine to/from a VM.)
0 -
I think Mark may have been talking about running the "import notes" command in Logos 6, which requires the LDLS3 note files to be on the C:\ drive of the host computer, not in a VM. (Regular copy-and-paste via the clipboard should work fine to/from a VM.)
I was. Thanks for the clarification.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
0 -
As far as I know Microsoft are still supporting it. Not sure if it is a good idea to spend money on a new desktop to suit one particular software program. When Microsoft stop supporting Vista I may have to reconsider.
According to Microsoft, the "mainstream support" ended on "April 10, 2012." Sales ceased over 5 years ago.
0 -
Yes, I have 32 & 64-bit versions of Vista on disk. I will just install those with the included version of IE7 and use that as my L3 system & load L5 on, too, so I can have access to what's in my library since they stopped producing for L3
If you follow the suggestion to install a Virtual Machine for Vista on a brand new machine (Win 8.1/10) you can install Logos 6 and Import Notes coutesy of a shared folder e.g. create a \Documents\Libronix DLS\Annotations folder (or whatever the notes folder is called in Libronix) on the host OS and share it with a VM (e.g. Oracle VM VirtualBox) running Vista. Create your notes in Libronix, copy them to the shared Notes folder and then import them into Logos 6.
** Oracle VM is free and has options to share host folders with the VM.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
** Oracle VM is free and has options to share host folders with the VM.
[Y]Dave's suggestion is a good one VirtualBox hasn't ever disappointed!
I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer, because I currently copy stuff from L5 into my L3 notes.
This is what I was responding to, David uses LDLS for notes and wants to be able to cut from resources only available in Logos6 and paste into his LDLS notes. As Dan has suggested most virtualization platforms include a mechanism to support cutting and pasting between the host OS and the virtualized OS - VirtualBox does.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
0 -
Not sure why anyone with an adequate computer would stick with 5 over 6 any way.
Well, for me, I don't like the look of 6. Yes, it's similar to 5, but, just more annoying and more scrolling. At least for me.0 -
I have Vista with logos 6.whatever latest update. will i still get updates and will new books work?
Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.
0 -
I have Vista with logos 6.whatever latest update
Please clarify this.
Logos 6 needs Windows 7 SP1 as a minimum
0 -
yes I just checked my system I have win 7 home premium SP1, so I don't need to do anything right? my other laptop has vista....
Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.
0 -
yes I just checked my system I have win 7 home premium SP1, so I don't need to do anything right?
So long as you are running Logos 6 on Windows 7 you should be fine.
0 -
Hi!
I am using OS X 10.7, which will become unsupported, and I will continue to use 10.7 for a while.
I am using Verbum 5 and Logos 5.
Will the DOCUMENTS which are synced back and forth, be at risk in any way ? Should I uninstall Logos 5 and Verbum 5 on my iMac, and only use it on newer OS ?
0 -
Sync will be maintained.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
Sync will be maintained.
That is incorrect.
We are changing Logos 5.2b from the "maintenance" support level to "unsupported" on September 21, 2015. (For a full description of these support levels, please see "About Free Support".)
At that page, you will read (for "unsupported" software): "Documents and settings created in an unsupported version may not sync to the latest versions of the software."
We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.
0 -
At that page, you will read (for "unsupported" software): "Documents and settings created in an unsupported version may not sync to the latest versions of the software."
We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.
Makes perfect sense.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
0 -
Sync will be maintained.
That is incorrect.
My thought was that Servers will be maintained for sync to Logos 5 with existing Sync version, not that Logos 5 will be updated with a new sync version.
We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.
The latter part is what I understand, but the first part implies you will be "turning off" Sync at some time even if it remains fully compatible with Logos 5!?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
My thought was that Servers will be maintained for sync to Logos 5 with existing Sync version, not that Logos 5 will be updated with a new sync version.
For now, but not indefinitely.
The latter part is what I understand, but the first part implies you will be "turning off" Sync at some time even if it remains fully compatible with Logos 5!?
I was merely stating that the end of the support period doesn't mean that we turn off all sync servers immediately.
If some future event (that I can't predict) means that the sync servers stop working, our efforts will go into restoring service for "supported" and "maintenance" versions of the software, not for "unsupported" versions.
0 -
I am so disappointed! I am so close (August 31 and September 21) to telling Logos goodbye and deleting $900 of pre-pubs. "so we (Logos) can focus on bringing a better product to market".
Logos 5 is all I can afford and it will have to be enough. I will not lose what I have by doing free (deceitful advertising) or crossgrade where anything less than 100% of my $10,000 over 15 year Platinum investment is not fully available with the 6 feature set now.
Anything new will have to come from another company.
0 -
Hi Rick
Logos 5 is all I can afford and it will have to be enough. I will not lose what I have by doing free (deceitful advertising) or crossgrade where anything less than 100% of my $10,000 over 15 year Platinum investment is not fully available with the 6 feature set now.
What are you concerned that you will lose if you move to the free Logos 6 engine?
Graham
0 -
From https://www.logos.com/product/46767/logos-6-core-engine
Features Limited by Your Library
- Autocomplete
- Everything Search
- Factbook
- Journals (Guide Section)
- Textual Variants (Guide Section)
- Visual Copy
Features Not Included in the Core Engine
- Ancient Literature (Guide Section)
- Atlas
- Books.Logos.com (Search Section)
- Clause Participants (Guide Section)
- Community Tags
- Counting the Ten Commandments
- Cultural Concepts
- Factbook Bible Book Guides
- Greek and Hebrew Alphabet Tutors
- Hebrew Cantillation Structure
- Interactive Media
- Interlinear Explorers
- Lexicon Alignment
- Logos Media
- Morph Charts
- Numeric Converter
- Online Manuscripts
- Online Media
- Propositional Outlines
- Proverbs Explorer
- Psalms Explorer
- Semantic Roles and Case Frames
- Senses (Guide Section)
- Text Converter
- Timeline
- Weights and Measures Converter
0 -
Sorry but I still don't understand
The things you have listed are new things, so not things you will lose from what you already have.
Or am I missing your point?
0 -
Just to emphasize Graham's point:
The "features not included in the Core engine" are new to Logos 6 but they have to be purchased separately. You keep all the features you have in Logos 5.
The "Features limited by your library" are new Logos 6 features that you get for free with the free Core engine! But the results you get from them depend on the resources/features you have in Logos 5. Factbook includes the features you have in Bible Facts from Logos 5 but will provide additional information depending on your library.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
Rick I understand why you may be missing the functionality of a full crossgrade. But Logos 6 core upgrade should give you the same functionality you had in Logos 5, please note your older Atlas resources will still be there the Atlas features that come with full 6.x is a massive new atlas that exists only on Logos servers, it has been estimated when complete to be well over 3 terabytes. I personally have not even looked at it as I prefer using local resources. There are other options out there if you decide to leave Logos but you will find more limited amounts of resource selection. Not that I will name it but my other primary software's windows version is still XP compatible. I really do think you should download the core Logos 6 and see how it works for you, if it is not satisfactory it shouldn't be too hard to find the other software and download their trial version.
-Dan
0 -
Thanks, Dave, et.al. I feel better about not losing but the choice is do nothing and lose support or risk changes and get support.
I am not a scholar and my vocation is not in the ministry and although the 6 feature set looks impressive there's very little reason to have stuff I don't plan to use. Logos has outgrown my application and my budget.
Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use? Why can't I get support for new content on whatever version meets my needs instead of tying code and content together and forcing me to pay for both endlessly?
0 -
I am not a scholar and my vocation is not in the ministry and although the 6 feature set looks impressive there's very little reason to have stuff I don't plan to use. Logos has outgrown my application and my budget.
Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use? Why can't I get support for new content on whatever version meets my needs instead of tying code and content together and forcing me to pay for both endlessly?
Logos has made an effort to always make the core software free.... They delay making the core engine free from day one of release for 2 reasons I believe, they do not want their servers over taxed on release day and the bugs get worked out a bit before the free version comes out. 6 came out November 2014 by February 2015 the free core engine was available to everyone. Ideally I wish it could be available to all day one but the reasons i stated as well as the official reason of trying to recoup development costs are valid. My other software Accordance never has free major version upgrades and costs each time (now their release times seem to be about every two years verses FL goal of a yearly update). Now using Accordance as an example.. They have for download older versions... these are relatively unsupported and numerous releases and many new releases state 10.4.x and higher required for this. They have made modest changes to version 9 to correct a few bugs even though it officially went out of support back in 2012. I mention this to show you that even a company that charges for their program tends to offer very little support to the older versions. Version 5 is something you can continue to use if you want, and on your computer it will function as it always has. Eventually changes to the syncing protocols will mean it will not always update... In order to provide you continuous service at no cost to you, you have the option of a free update to the Logos 6 engine (with no new features). I will admit FL is self serving in adding features and asking you to upgrade to get all the bells and whistles added in. We do not have to "drink the cool-aid" And many of us have felt that it would be laudable to have a cheaper entry level package, but FL has told us they wish to keep the entry level package at the $300 level, that is there choice others may offer an entry package as low as $59 but that is their business decision. But by FL offering the free engine the are in no way forcing you to pay endlessly. They are simply stating we will not be offering you support on the old version, you are free to download the current version and receive support in it.
-Dan
0 -
Why do I have to continually pay for successive versions with feature sets I won't use?
The "6 feature set" is FREE but they can be hidden or ignored e.g. the two Guide sections can be excluded when you tailor/customize a Guide. Autocomplete is an extension of providing menu options when you start typing in a guide, search or Factbook (for example). Everything search is a compendium of independent search tools but you don't have to use it! And you don't have to use Visual Copy from the Tools menu.
Factbook is Bible Facts with a new interface.
You also get Inline Search where you use the resource for the search and the results are highlighted in the resource.
You can create labels in resources as part of Highlighting; providing attributes and values that you can search for i.e. personal tagging.
Just give v6 a go.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
I'm unconvinced.
Logos 5.2b will not be disabled. Your existing install will continue to run with the resources you already have. However, new resources purchased from logos.com may not be readable in Logos 5.2b
Logos is breaking v5 by binding new content to v6 code. Upgrade or else is the message. I spent way more than $10K and I can't keep what I have or I may not get the content in prepubs and future content. I'm very disappointed.
0 -
Logos is breaking v5 by binding new content to v6 code
I don't see they are breaking L5 - in fact Bradley said the opposite. They are saying that some new resources will need L6 to work.
I spent way more than $10K and I can't keep what I have or I may not get the content in prepubs and future content.
But I still don't understand why you are opposed to moving to the free L6 core engine.
What was there in the earlier responses which did not address your concerns?
0 -
A comment from a theology student /user to you, Rick LeMarr, If I may:
I own Logos 5, I just installed Logos 6 Core on my Macbook Air,
and my experience is:
It is faster, easier to search, many new services, nothing old is missing.
There is hardly any visual changes and everything is better, and it did not cost me anything. It is just like an slightly improved Logos 5 program.
Recommended and never doubted.
0
