Bug: Addressee WITHIN Speaker Search

The examples in the Logos Now forum use AND as the operator

e.g. {Addressee <Person Disciples>}  {Speaker <Person Jesus>}

which works ok for Bible & Morph Search, but not Basic Search. So I used:

{Addressee <Person Disciples>} WITHIN {Speaker <Person Jesus>}

which seems to work ok!

But when I used it in Bible Search I noticed a missing verse, John 16:17 in ESV.

Why missing from ESV (and other RI's?) and why does LEB highlight a different part to the others? Why only one result when there are two parts for Jesus speaking to the disciples?

Dave
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Windows 11 & Android 13

Comments

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,785

    Good catch, Dave. Thanks.

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    Why missing from ESV (and other RI's?) and why does LEB highlight a different part to the others? Why only one result when there are two parts for Jesus speaking to the disciples?

    The reason there's an issue in this particular verse is because the middle word 'and' was addressed to the disciples, but not spoken by Jesus. It's tagged correctly:

    ‘In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me,’ and ‘Because I am going to the Father’?

    In other words, Addressee is not WITHIN Speaker.

    So, the error is not that the search isn't found in the ESV (and others), but that it is found in some. I presume the explanation for that is that the tagging is done on the SBLGNT, and that as it's re-ordered for other versions, you're going to lose some consistency (a bit like using RIs for proximity lemma searching). You'll need to search in the source text if you want 100% accuracy.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,106

    Bump for FL

    Dave
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