is Faithlife/Logos a Christian Company?
Something I have wondered, is Faithlife/Logos a company that considers itself as Christian or claims Christ? I understand that Logos and Faithlife is very much about aiding in equipping believers (2 Tim 2:15) in using the mighty sword: The Bible. Nowhere on Faithlife or Logos website in the "about" section do I see a statement of faith and it concerns me when in the employment section do I see nowhere in videos or description about the need for loving Christ. In many of the employment videos and on the website do I see no reference to spreading the gospel.
I understand Faithlife is a for-profit organization and cannot restrict to just hiring Christians, but I do not see any indication that the company itself is on mission in this. I do not want to be accusatory, nor can I be (nor should I judge) because there is lack of material that explicitly states this.
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I don't believe that there is or can be any such thing as a Christian company. Individuals can be Christians. A church can obviously be Christian. I challenge you to find anything in scripture about a Christian company.
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superdadsuper said:
I understand Faithlife is a for-profit organization and cannot restrict to just hiring Christians,
I have been dealing with Faithlife/Logos since 2008 but have only dealt with Christ-like employees. If they have an atheist working there they must have him cleaning the parking lot. Not intended to disparage anyone.
superdadsuper said:Something I have wondered, is Faithlife/Logos a company that considers itself as Christian or claims Christ?
All I can say is Faithlife/Logos is a company owned and staffed by believers
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You probably will never see a "Statement Of Faith" statement on the website or even in the employee manual, because Faithlife is a business. With that said, I do believe that it is staffed by brothers and sisters in Christ, and that the business is based and guided by Christian principles. I have never been led to believe otherwise, and it is evident by practices that you will only discover by being familiar with them for some time.
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You might find our publishing philosophy statement helpful as it pertains to this question.
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From the ECPA website.
The content produced by ECPA’s publishing members must not conflict with the Association’s Statement of Faith.
The Statement of Faith of the Association is as follows:
I. We believe the Bible to be the inspired, the only infallible, authoritative Word of God.
II. We believe there is only one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
III. We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and in His personal return in power and glory.
IV. We believe that for the salvation of the lost and sinful, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential.
V. We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life.
VI. We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost; they that are saved unto the resurrection of life and they that are lost unto the resurrection of damnation.
VII. We believe in the spiritual unity of believers in our Lord Jesus Christ.(This Statement of Faith is essentially identical to that of the National Association of Evangelicals.)
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Thanks for the link to the publishing philosophy statement, Phil. My take away from Bob's statement is, if you can eat fish, than we assume you can spit out the bones[:D]
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Thank you, Phil, for sharing this. I had not seen it.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
You might find our publishing philosophy statement helpful as it pertains to this question.
Bob's answer, as usual, is excellent. Thanks for reminding us of this.
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I don't have Heiser's mobile ed courses, but since he rejects the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy, does this really match #1?
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
You might find our publishing philosophy statement helpful as it pertains to this question.
I just saw this now. I didn't know such existed. It is quite helpful and very good too. Thanks.
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superdadsuper said:
is Faithlife/Logos a company that considers itself as Christian or claims Christ? I understand that Logos and Faithlife is very much about aiding in equipping believers (2 Tim 2:15)...Nowhere on Faithlife or Logos website in the "about" section do I see a statement of faith and it concerns me when in the employment section do I see nowhere in videos or description about the need for loving Christ.
I am sure someone from FL would answer your concerns. Notwithstanding, I can say two things for certain:
- Faithlife is a business (The bottomline--profit for the non-profit). Logos Software is its product.
- "By their fruits ye shall know them." You can know a business by the quality of its product, the honesty of their advertisement, and the service after the sale.
Regardless of the mission statement, note what one does over what one says. Enough said.
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Faithlife is an American company and as such is a company to make money in business. They should not have to apologize for that or defend it in any way.
superdadsuper said:I understand Faithlife is a for-profit organization and cannot restrict to just hiring Christians, but I do not see any indication that the company itself is on mission in this. I do not want to be accusatory, nor can I be (nor should I judge) because there is lack of material that explicitly states this.
I do business with companies that I know are not Christian. I have been in churches where I question if anyone inside there was Christian. Bob asked a while back about getting Amazons books into our library. There was a lot of discussion about that and I simply told him yes. It is nobody but me and me alone responsible for what I read or don't read. Faithlife produces resources that are instrumental to studying the bible. Who cares if they are Christian or not? I would still do business with them. They have proven to me there is no other customer service quite like them.
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Justin Gatlin said:
I don't have Heiser's mobile ed courses, but since he rejects the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy, does this really match #1?
This probably borders on the acceptable topics on this forum (so if we need to discuss this, we should do so on another site, such as a Faithlife group discussion page [maybe Biblical Theology?] or on christiandiscourse), but
- I don't see from the link you posted a rejection of Chicago 78 (just a thoughtful reflection on it)
- much more relevant: I don't see that the ECPA statement #1 is identical with or requires adherence to Chicago 78 since it reads "We believe the Bible to be the inspired, the only infallible, authoritative Word of God." which - probably on purpose - not even uses the vocabulary of 'inerrant'.
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0 - I don't see from the link you posted a rejection of Chicago 78 (just a thoughtful reflection on it)
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Justin Gatlin said:
Where in that post does he deny the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy? In fact, he says the opposite:
Heiser said:Let’s just take it for what it is. Seems fair — and it’s also consistent with the Chicago Statement, though that statement has easier examples in mind than what we’ve been dealing with here.
Rather than denial, I find a reasoned approach to problem passages in Scripture.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
You might find our publishing philosophy statement helpful as it pertains to this question.
Excellently stated. I have definitely found that my study is deepened when I read content that doesn't necessarily fit in with my views. If all we read is things that we agree with, we won't grow very much.
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No, I don't believe companies are Christian, either. I believe Logos is a company that is owned by Christians, and generally acts with the upmost integrity. There are occasionally things that Logos does that I question. On the other hand, there are often things I do that I question, as well.
Logos does make available a wide variety of Christian resources from multiple Christian theologies to its customers. This is a very good thing in my opinion. They provide software which makes the library very useful. It is far more useful than books in paper, in my opinion. That is a very, very good thing in my opinion.
I am for them. I highly recommend their products.
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Well said Bulldog friend. [:)]
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Michael Childs said:
Logos does make available a wide variety of Christian resources from multiple Christian theologies to its customers. This is a very good thing in my opinion. They provide software which makes the library very useful. It is far more useful than books in paper, in my opinion. That is a very, very good thing in my opinion.
I agree.
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Jack Caviness said:Justin Gatlin said:
Where in that post does he deny the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy? In fact, he says the opposite:
Heiser said:Let’s just take it for what it is. Seems fair — and it’s also consistent with the Chicago Statement, though that statement has easier examples in mind than what we’ve been dealing with here.
Rather than denial, I find a reasoned approach to problem passages in Scripture.
I linked the wrong blog post, sorry; I was shuffling through his long list of posts on inspiration. I think maybe his own final statement makes the point; Heiser believes that the Bible teaches imperfectly, but not inaccurately, on matters of God and salvation, and that accommodation includes scientifically counterfactual statements (like the article he endorses about Paul's bad science underlying the discussion of headcoverings). I am not trying to have a ChristianDiscourse debate, I was just pointing out that the Publishing Standards may not match the normal definition of inerrancy, even in the Faithlife published books.
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Sometimes heretics ask interesting questions. Its so easy to fall into position bias; and even if you maintain your position (as I largely have) you gain a depth to your understanding that you wouldn't have had without struggling through the thoughts of crazy people Theologians you disagree with.Cynthia Tucker said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:You might find our publishing philosophy statement helpful as it pertains to this question.
Excellently stated. I have definitely found that my study is deepened when I read content that doesn't necessarily fit in with my views. If all we read is things that we agree with, we won't grow very much.
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Justin Gatlin said:
I am not trying to have a ChristianDiscourse debate
I also have no desire for such a debate. Many prominent theologians seem to believe that inerrancy is a rather elastic term.
Dr Heiser teaches many things with which I disagree, but he does make one think—which is not a bad thing. My initial Bible College training was long on what I should believe and short on why should believe it. That I had to dig out for myself. A theologian with whom I often disagree once said, "You can learn much from those with whom you disagree most." I try to keep that in mind when I am tempted to scream at my computer display, which could not possibly care less [8-|]
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Jack Caviness said:
My initial Bible College training was long on what I should believe and short on why should believe it. That I had to dig out for myself.
Exactly.
If one goes to Bible College or Seminary to obtain the "correct" answers, then education is of minimal value.
However, if one goes to Bible College or Seminary and learns how to think, then education is a very valuable commodity.
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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JRS said:
However, if one goes to Bible College or Seminary and learns how to think, then education is a very valuable commodity.
That's what I really appreciated about my Bible College and Seminary experiences.
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Justin Gatlin said:
I was just pointing out that the Publishing Standards may not match the normal definition of inerrancy, even in the Faithlife published books.
Hmmm... so annoying to know that once again I was left off the distribution list for the Chicago statement being THE "normal definition of inerrancy". I was foolishly assuming that it was a definition popular among those for whom the Gospel Coalition's overall perspective was popular ... a rather small swath of world-wide Christianity ... a more significant swath of Logos users.
Which is to say MJ is back as global as ever - with internet connection and keyboard ... but no usable desk yet. TIP of the day will be back as soon as I'm no longer sitting on the floor to see the computer screen.
PS. While I'm being naughty ... can anyone point me to the scripture giving directions for a company to become Christian? I'm having great fun imaging what it should read as....[:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
PS. While I'm being naughty ... can anyone point me to the scripture giving directions for a company to become Christian? I'm having great fun imaging what it should read as....
No one can serve two masters; for a slave will either hate the one and love the other, or be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth. Matthew 6:24
Give to everyone who begs from you; and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again. Luke 6:30
And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of dishonest wealth so that when it is gone, they may welcome you into the eternal homes. Luke 16:9
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