More Robust New Testament Use of the Old Interactive

Can you expand on the allusions by using the USB 4 allusions? For example in the Book of Revelation the USB has nearly 400 allusions to the Old Testament. In this interactive tool you only show 19. I know you are using a different source for allusions but I believe the USB list is more inclusive. Here is a link to a chart listing the allusions to Revelation: logosres:chrtsbkrvltn;ref=Page.p_25;off=138 Charts on the Book of Revelation Literary, Historical, and Theological Perspectives by Mark Wilson

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John Brumett

Would like to hear from someone in Faithlife to add united bible societies allusions to this resource.

Mark Smith

Would like to hear from someone in Faithlife to add united bible societies allusions to this resource.

John, I'm not that Faithlife person, but I did check out the reference you gave and it seems to me that one person's allusion is another person's cross-reference from that chart. Of course it is also a chart of 'verbal parallels' in the OT which I suppose are more like traditional cross references. It makes me skeptical of what these 400 allusions might be and their actual value.

FL has four categories of OT references in this tool. Even if we agreed that the 'allusions' in the UBS are valuable, it would take some work to separate them into the four categories.

BTW: I was not able to call up any of the UBS4 OT allusions that I didn't already know existed. Certainly not 400 in Revelation. I'd be interested in how you found that number and how you've located them. I may be overlooking the obvious. Thanks.

Graham Criddle

BTW: I was not able to call up any of the UBS4 OT allusions that I didn't already know existed. Certainly not 400 in Revelation. I'd be interested in how you found that number and how you've located them

Searching UBS on Revelation for OT references gives 306 results (top-left in the shot below) - while not the 400 suggested signficantly more than the 40 identified in the Interactive (right)

And I think there are certainly more than 40 - the example bottom right suggests that the double-edged sword in Rev 1:16 draws on imagery from Isaiah.

And the source from which the Interactive is taken includes many more OT references than shown in the Interactive - including the one I suggest relating to Revelation 1:16

Rick Brannan (Logos)

It's good to know folks want more intertextual stuff! We'll put expansion of the dataset on the list of things to consider.

Thanks!

Mark Smith

Searching UBS on Revelation for OT references gives 306 results (top-left in the shot below) - while not the 400 suggested signficantly more than the 40 identified in the Interactive (right)

Well that's the UBS Handbook you searched, not the UBS4. I still don't know how to find out where the number 400 for allusions in Revelation in the UBS4 comes from.

I think there should be more than what we are seeing in the interactive, as you point out from a standard text on this subject.

My interests (this was done prior to my employment here) were focused more on conscious use of a passage by the author. So I was very picky about what I included. If it didn't seem the author was explicitly quoting from or evoking a passage, I didn't include it.

And I agree with a conservative philosophy in approaching this. So 400 'hits' in Revelation seems a bit much. Yet with the four categories included, the current list may be too small. Lots of judgment calls.

Jeff Jackson

Looking at the Rev 1:15 || Isa 49:2 example above: beyond the sword image, there's really not much in common between them. In one the sword comes out of the mouth, in the other the mouth is like a sword. In one the prophet is seeing Christ with the sword, in the other it's the prophet himself with a mouth like a sword. In one the sword is double edged, in the other is sharp. Etc. It strikes me as more of a shared idiom of language than an evocation of a passage or even an echo of a common theme. It's certainly interesting, but doesn't seem to fit Rick's four-fold classification.

Pre-computer cross reference guides included these sorts of one-word parallels more, but today, simply searching for sword or doing a word study would give oh so much more information than a cross reference list on a single word.