The new Syntax mechanics are baffling me!
I was trying to do a simple syntax search and frankly the mechanics of hooking elements together is baffling me!
I can SEE pre-created searches so I know where I want to be...but I can't get there!
Can someone help?
Robert Pavich
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Well, maybe you could give us some specific details in terms of where you want to go. I honestly, don't know how to respond helpfully to "I'm baffled." - kind of like saying it crashed without saying what you were doing when it crashed...
Mike,
I physically don't know how to get the boxes to connect to make a good search...how is it done?
Robert Pavich
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No problem Mr. HootOn!
Mike, I guess there are a few problems for me; physically how the boxes link together I've now discovered, but I can't type in greek reliably, the word's don't populate the drop down list.
It just seems that it's not actually ready to use yet.
Robert Pavich
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Robert, I'll try to walk you through with some pics. However, see my reply from your other post about syntax searching. Currently you cannot specifiy anything at the word level. This is a known issue.
Let's do an opentext.org search. Let's model our search after Jn 3.16 so we can make sure we did it right.
First click to add a new search item. Add a "Clause" (1)
If you hover over the "clause," you will see four plus marks, which specify where you would like to add a new element. We're going to need to add 4 Clause components and a conjunction(adjunct, conjunction, predicator, subject, and complement). All of these are to the right of the primary clause, just like in the Clause visualization (2). As a result, we want to add the first element to the right of the clause. So we can click on the plus sign on the right hand side and choose "clause component" (3).
Let's add the rest of the clause components. Because the rest of the items are beneath the first component (again, see the clause visualization) (4), they need to be added from the plus sign beneath clause component 1. So add a conjunction by clicking on the plus sign beneath clause component 1 (5). Notice how the conjunction is beneath 1, but is subordinate to Clause 1. Visually this tells us it is a member of clause 1 (linked by an arrow), but must follow clause component 1 (because it is beneath). Again, notice how this matches the clause visualization of John 3.16. Go ahead and add another three clause components, using the plus signs beneath the conjunction and the added clause components (6).
Now we can specifiy the basic elements of the search by clicking on the appropriate boxes and specifying what they are. Notice how it matches the clause visualization (7).
Finally, let's run the search!
It's a success! 8 hits, including John 3:16 (8)!
I'll have another post to clarify some thoughts about the arrows.
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So, when I started all that, there weren't any other replies 
Anyway, for anyone else who's interested, here's how the plus signs work when adding search components.
Right plus signs: The right plus sign adds a subordinate or "child" element.
Left plus signs: The left plus sign adds a superordinate (is that a word?) or "parent" element.
Left and right plus signs add parents and children, respectively.
Down plus signs: The down plus sign adds an element that is at the same level of subordination as the item above it, but it must follow the item above it (unless it is in an unordered group). It has the same parent as the item above it.
Up plus signs: the up plus sign adds an element that is at the same level of subordination as the item below it, but must precede the item above it (unless it is in an unordered group). It has the same parent as the item below it.
Up and down plus signs add siblings. When you click on one, you will add an item that has the same parent as the item it comes from.
Hopefully that is a helpful way to understand how to connect items.
So, when I started all that, there weren't any other replies
Anyway, for anyone else who's interested, here's how the plus signs work when adding search components.
Thanks for the introduction, David.
When the DVD arrives in Oz I'll start the Syntax Search! But I'm not encouraged that we have the same OpenText source and the same elements, except we have to use our Graphical Query skills to connect them! If you used it in v3 can you say it is improved?
Dave
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David,
thanks for the information; thanks for putting so much time and effort into it!
That's exactly what I needed!
I distilled your presentation into a PDF so someone could download it and print it or whatever...I'm sure that more than myself will need it.
thanks again.
bob
2514.V4 syntax search example.pdf
OK: Feedback after having used this version of the syntax search and V3:
The Good:
I think that graphically it's an improvement; it looks more like the Opentext format and it's easier to see what's connecting where. No more "move back/move up move right" sort of things.
The bad:
it always seems like i'm looking for screen real estate and I"m adding things while hanging off of the right hand side of the window....
It doesn't seem that there is a way to automatically repopulate a search; you have to click "new syntax search" then pic among all of the "new ones" that you've created and hope to find the right one
Correction; to reuse a search click on the name of the search on the left hand side of the search window.
And of course...get the word level stuff happening...
Overall; I'd say it's going to be an improvement over V3.
Robert Pavich
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Bump...
C'mon....anyone?
Just get me started... [:D]
Robert Pavich
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