Linux version of Logos Bible Software
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Bob Pritchett said:
we're working on a completely new platform for the next release
Way to drop that casually! Or maybe this is common knowledge, but it's news to me! Good news, to be sure.
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Mitchell, Where did that come from?
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:-( I had a short moment of - "Wow! They're going to use a modern, cross-platform toolkit! I wouldn't have expected it after all the money they've thrown at WPF.".
And then I did a quick google search for the quote. It looks like it's from the first page of this thread ( http://community.logos.com/forums/t/121.aspx ) - a post made back in 2009, prior to the release of Logos4. The "new platform" there might refer to OSX, but I suspect he's talking about WPF.
Ah well, the dream was nice while it lasted! :-)
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FYI...You are quoting a very old statement from Bob. What Bob was referring to in his post was L4.Mitchell said:Bob Pritchett said:we're working on a completely new platform for the next release
Way to drop that casually! Or maybe this is common knowledge, but it's news to me! Good news, to be sure.
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tom said:
FYI...You are quoting a very old statement from Bob. What Bob was referring to in his post was L4.Mitchell said:Bob Pritchett said:we're working on a completely new platform for the next release
Way to drop that casually! Or maybe this is common knowledge, but it's news to me! Good news, to be sure.
Oh dear... I have never claimed to be a smart man.
Shame on me.
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Mitchell said:tom said:
FYI...You are quoting a very old statement from Bob. What Bob was referring to in his post was L4.Mitchell said:Bob Pritchett said:we're working on a completely new platform for the next release
Way to drop that casually! Or maybe this is common knowledge, but it's news to me! Good news, to be sure.
Oh dear... I have never claimed to be a smart man.
Shame on me.
I would not say that. I know that I have assumed that I am reading a current post when it is actually several years old.
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Where multi-cores are very important are with tablets. Android and other Tablet OSs are a much larger and growing market than the PC. The PC market is actually declining. Tablets keep getting better, but to use their capability, you need to use all the cores. Android runs on a Linux kernel. If the code is flexible enough, it might be adapted to Linux Gnome and KDE. There's also discussion that Android isn't adequate for the larger tablets, so other Linux GUIs have some potential there.0
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Why doesn't Logos pay Crossover to make a custom wine app for Logos. That couldn't cost too much and then Logos would have the opportunity to market to any Linux users. Logos Mac version appears to be something running in WINE anyway so why not Linux?
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I have hopes for this...
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/09/install-android-apps-ubuntu-archon
Haven't got time to try it at the moment but it may be that the android version of Logos arrives on linux soon!
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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Interesting. But it seems that would not provide the rich feature set of the desktop version of Logos.
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John Goodman said:
I have hopes for this...
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/09/install-android-apps-ubuntu-archon
Haven't got time to try it at the moment but it may be that the android version of Logos arrives on linux soon!
I tried this a month or so ago and it almost worked, but not quite. The app installed, but then it gave me the "SD Card not found" error, which means something went wrong in the initialization phase. I think maybe some of the C++ code Logos for Android uses isn't yet supported by this...a Logos developer would have to investigate more, but I'd be surprised if it were an issue on the Logos side. I think it's more likely some support is missing in ARChon. It'll be very cool if it starts working though!
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Aaron Bauman said:
Interesting. But it seems that would not provide the rich feature set of the desktop version of Logos.
Yeah - desktop logos on linux would be AMAZING!!!
I wonder if the newer versions of both Logos and Wine make that worth another go? I also suggested a while back that Logos test the market by offering a linux version on community pricing - which as I understand it would mean that only if the development cost was covered by pre-orders would they make it? Doesn't look like they want to try that - personally I don't blame them. I doubt it would be profitable.
I think about the only way to go would be if someone wanted to talk to crossover and see if they would take it on via funding through kickstarter? If they would then we might be onto a possibility but the cost will be significant so the question is whether the market is there?
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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I doubt that we will ever see a Linux version of Logos. Logos and other publishers use DRM which protects and encrypts the content of their resources. Using an opensource Operating System like Linux opens the door for the DRM to be decrypted and unlocked.
I hope I am wrong, but I feel like Logos and other publishers have a slight focus making money rather an promoting the Gospel of Christ. (Like the lukewarm church) (I hope I am wrong and please forgive me for this comment if I am.) Look at youversion.com bible app for what seems to be a real desire to promote the Gospel of Christ. I can see applications like this coming to Linux. Note that BibleTime and Xiphos Bible Guide already exist.
I actually run Logos in a Windows 7 virtual machine on Linux. It works perfectly. I would give this a try.
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Wow! There's a Bible translator on christianforums.com who I'm sure would like to find out how to do that. Email me info ÁT cykeltaxi DÓT se:
Zac Edmundson said:I actually run Logos in a Windows 7 virtual machine on Linux. It works perfectly. I would give this a try.
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MIKE FENTON said:
Why doesn't Logos pay Crossover to make a custom wine app for Logos. That couldn't cost too much and then Logos would have the opportunity to market to any Linux users. Logos Mac version appears to be something running in WINE anyway so why not Linux?
Welcome [:D]
Open source still lacks an alternative for Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) => http://www.mono-project.com/docs/gui/wpf/ so WINE is not a viable option.
In Apr 2011, Codeweavers Bounty Pledge was still less than 1 % of amount needed for Logos 4 port => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121/240498.aspx#240498 (earlier reply in this thread)
On OS X, using customized Mono allows substantial C# code base sharing with Windows. Faithlife Corporation developed OS X user interface using Apple's XCode so switching between Windows and OS X is easy.
Logos 6 is now a 64 bit application on 64 bit Operating Systems. All Logos 6 installations on OS X are 64 bit while Windows matches operating system: 64 bit or 32 bit.
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If wine were to work it would be by installing microsoft's .NET onto linux? Mono would only really be helpful for a port I think?
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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On Mac it's Mono and Chromium CEF framework
Appscript.framework
Chromium Embedded Framework.framework
Compatibility.framework
CrashReporter.framework
Growl.framework
LayoutKit.framework
LogosCEF EH.app
LogosCEF NP.app
LogosCEF.app
MarshalUtility.framework
MonoHost.framework
libplugin_carbon_interpose.dylibls -la /Applications/Logos.app/Contents/Frameworks
JesusChrist.ru - Russian Christian Portal, with free Bible software; Timh.ru - blog
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There was a time (don't know if it is currently active) where you could pledge to provide money to code weavers if they made Logos work. Logos even put up a chunk of money towards that effort. I did as well. There was never enough money pledged to make it viable for code weavers to do the work. In other words, the Linux people were not sufficiently interested to fund it. This is exasperated by the fact that Logos seems to consistently use more recent capabilities (and diverse), which means that the newer DLLs are required; and code weavers is a bit behind with respect to the newer stuff.
Currently, however, you are able to send your books to Kindle, which would then allow you to read the books without the extra nice stuff on that reader. One take away here is that although DRM is used, there is no particular reason it would not run on Linux. I use a VM on Linux to use Logos 6. Of course, I use almost none of those fancy features (I have no particular need or desire). Sometime when I am board, I may look into another path to making this work on Linux.
I wish they had used a cross platform development application framework such as QT, then they would have a single code base for all platforms. QT also supports mobile, but, I don't really want my mobile app to download multi-gigabyte data sets to my phone when I am rarely interested (at least on my phone) in most of the data.
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Ugg, I was not aware that they are using WPF. Never really liked WPF, it always felt like it took some magic undocumented incantation to make some of those special effects to work. On the other hand, there was usually some magic undocumented incantation that, if you could find someone who had figured it out, you could use to do something cool pretty easily.
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John Goodman said:
If wine were to work it would be by installing microsoft's .NET onto linux? Mono would only really be helpful for a port I think?
Mono is an open source port of .NET Framework, but Mono does not have an open source implementation of Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) so the Logos Indexer may work in WINE with Mono to download and index resources (challenge is initial login dialog box due to lack of WPF). Logos application lacks usability since WPF not available to render items for screen display.
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Unix said:Zac Edmundson said:
I actually run Logos in a Windows 7 virtual machine on Linux. It works perfectly. I would give this a try.
Wow! There's a Bible translator on christianforums.com who I'm sure would like to find out how to do that.
Computer needs adequate hardware for Linux host plus virtual machines.
Some Linux Virtual Machine Managers:
Oracle's Virtual Box is Open Source (Free) => https://www.virtualbox.org/
QEMU is also Open Source (Free) => http://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page
XEN => http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Main_Page
KVM => http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
VM Ware Workstation is a commercial alternative with subscription license => http://www.vmware.com/products/workstation/features.html
Virtual Machine needs valid Windows 7 license => http://blogs.technet.com/b/simonmay/archive/2011/01/13/windows-7-licensing-and-virtual-machines-clarified.aspx
For Logos use, a Windows 7 license is an application enabler.
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I'd up my pledge to codeweavers, i have forgotten the location of the pledge page by now.
How do you send your books to Kindle? I have Kindle for Windows installed under WINE, it works great.
David
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!!!!! NO !!!!! PLEASE, NO !!!!!
This thread had gone over a year without a post. I was hoping it had died, never to be resurrected.
Faithlife is already too distracted and spread too thin (IMO). Dating site???!!!
I'd like to see Faithlife not spend a picosecond or a pico-cent on anything related to Linux. And, in case anyone thinks I'm some kind of Linux hater, I was running Linux as a broadband router (before that term existed) in 1996 as one of the first 2-3 people in Hilliard, Ohio to have this fancy new thing called "cable modem."
(There, I feel better now...
Donnie
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Donnie Hale said:
!!!!! NO !!!!! PLEASE, NO !!!!!
This thread had gone over a year without a post. I was hoping it had died, never to be resurrected.
Faithlife is already too distracted and spread too thin (IMO). Dating site???!!!
I'd like to see Faithlife not spend a picosecond or a pico-cent on anything related to Linux. And, in case anyone thinks I'm some kind of Linux hater, I was running Linux as a broadband router (before that term existed) in 1996 as one of the first 2-3 people in Hilliard, Ohio to have this fancy new thing called "cable modem."
(There, I feel better now...
Donnie
I would agree with you, as suggested above running a virtual machine may be best bet and while some may suggest that is what us mac users should have done.... It is a viable option for using Logos on a UNIX machine even if it does require you to have a windows system installed in your Linux machine.
-Dan
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
How do you send your books to Kindle?
Logos 6 => New Feature: Send to Kindle
David J. Ring, Jr. said:I'd up my pledge to codeweavers, i have forgotten the location of the pledge page by now.
Pledge disappeared several years ago while was 99% underfunded.
Wikipedia Operating System Usage Share => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems shows desktop GNU/Linux has declined relative to Windows and OS X so Faithlife Corporation continues to lack profitable business incentive.
Faithlife mobile apps for Android can be run on "Linux" using an Android emulator => https://developer.android.com/tools/devices/emulator.html and => http://xmodulo.com/how-to-run-android-emulator-on-ubuntu-or-debian.html Android emulators are available for a variety of platforms => http://www.emoretech.com/best-android-emulators-windows-mac-os-x-linux-free-download/
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Odd, I felt that way about Mac and Windows [:D]
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Read / watch these before sending to Kindle.
https://www.logos.com/training/logos6/desktop/send-to-kindle
It is mentioned here, read it before trying it, a few warnings (like you better get it right)
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Does Faithlife now own Logos? I see people mentioning it and before this I have never heard of it. I use the Logos app on Android, I guess it is the same thing as the Faithlife app.
The Wikipedia page you cite further down has Linux beating Mac. Further investigation to this shock showed Linux includes Android.
Source Date Microsoft Windows: 57.12% 
Apple: 18.04% 
Linux kernel based: 20.12% Other[a] 4.74% It still would be nice. Maybe a java based system for all OS will finally be made.
I personallly will be doing the Virtual Box installation of Windows 7. Logos will be the only program I use Windows for.
David
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If I can send to Kindle, it will eliminate my buying the books for Kindle. Now I can buy books at Logos instead. I've been buying my books at Kindle because I can have them on all devices. Now this little "Send to Kindle" means I can buy at www.logos.com instead.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
Does Faithlife now own Logos?
Thread => Logos Bible Software (the company) = Faithlife Corporation (coming soon!) explains Faithlife Corporation
David J. Ring, Jr. said:The Wikipedia page you cite further down has Linux beating Mac. Further investigation to this shock showed Linux includes Android.
Source Date Microsoft Windows: 57.12% Apple: 18.04% Linux kernel based: 20.12% Other[a] 4.74% Also Apple includes iOS
Windows Phone & RT usage is less than GNU\Linux
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