Dear Faithlife,
Would you please kindly consider extending the $4.99 Advent book sale for a few more days, for those of us who unfortunately missed the Christmas Eve deadline?
Thanks!
Peter
I would like to secind this request. Missed the cutoof on Christmas Eve.
Dear Faithlife, Would you please kindly consider extending the $4.99 Advent book sale for a few more days, for those of us who unfortunately missed the Christmas Eve deadline? Thanks! Peter
I will third this and dangle a carrot.... I now have some money!
I do not second this (Or third it for that matter). We all had 24 days to get the freebies and the companions. For the first time it was clearly stated by logos, since day one, that the deals would expire on Christmas eve (very surprising because they usually miscommunicate things). If you waited until the 25th to try to buy or get a freebie that was offered on day one then that is not Logos fault, is your own fault; and Faith Life shouldn't have to honor this request or even consider it. They were very generous and if you missed out on one of the deals because you decided to wait until the last minute and then something came up and you couldn't take advantage of the deals then tough luck it is what it is. Sorry but sometimes a lot of users just want to take advantage of others' generosity and whether you want to see it that way or not, that's exactly what you are doing here and it's not right my brothers.
In Christian Love,
DAL
Ps. Truth is the truth hurts, won't you agree? But I would rather have people hit me with the truth than to comfort me with a lie or side with me just to make me feel better.
I think I have found the issue. when I just opened my phone in Logos app the picture below is what I see even today. Seeing this screen would make me think I had a few days to order the books. This must be a internet marketing issue associated with a phone or the Logos app. What would you think if you saw the below screen Dated Dec. 25 and the title saying you had 2 days left to order books! I am hoping Faithlife will acknowledge this issue on phones and deal with it.
Even today below on my screen the 24 Days, 24 free Book link still causing me to think the offer still exist. You may have to refresh the screen a few times because the add changes once in a while.
DAL, I have appreciated your passion on these forums but this seems a bit high handed and misplaced.
1. No one here is blaming Logos for anything. In fact, the only hint of accusation came from you ('usually miscommunicate things')
2. There is a full acknowledgment of accountability that we waited too long, for whatever reason.
3. Taking advantage of generosity - apart from the incomprehensibility of that phrase in Christian contexts (for generosity needs to be taken advantage of for it to be effective, as many did for 24 days and we did not sadly), there is no attempt here to pressure or deceive Faithlife. It is a simple request from some users to Faithlife that can be evaluated, accepted, denied or ignored by Faithlife. No one is threatening to boycott them or stop buying their products or regretting their past purchases.
4. Truth hurts but this doesn't hurt that much to be honest. No one is losing sleep over this or forming change.org petitions or writing 20 page discussion threads.
In short, you seem to have the right answer to the wrong question.
Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, brother.
I do not second this (Or third it for that matter). We all had 24 days to get the freebies and the companions. For the first time it was clearly stated by logos, since day one, that the deals would expire on Christmas eve (very surprising because they usually miscommunicate things). If you waited until the 25th to try to buy or get a freebie that was offered on day one then that is not Logos fault, is your own fault; and Faith Life shouldn't have to honor this request or even consider it. They were very generous and if you missed out on one of the deals because you decided to wait until the last minute and then something came up and you couldn't take advantage of the deals then tough luck it is what it is. Sorry but sometimes a lot of users just want to take advantage of others' generosity and whether you want to see it that way or not, that's exactly what you are doing here and it's not right my brothers. In Christian Love, DAL Ps. Truth is the truth hurts, won't you agree? But I would rather have people hit me with the truth than to comfort me with a lie or side with me just to make me feel better.
DAL, I have appreciated your passion on these forums but this seems a bit high handed and misplaced. 1. No one here is blaming Logos for anything. In fact, the only hint of accusation came from you ('usually miscommunicate things') 2. There is a full acknowledgment of accountability that we waited too long, for whatever reason. 3. Taking advantage of generosity - apart from the incomprehensibility of that phrase in Christian contexts (for generosity needs to be taken advantage of for it to be effective, as many did for 24 days and we did not sadly), there is no attempt here to pressure or deceive Faithlife. It is a simple request from some users to Faithlife that can be evaluated, accepted, denied or ignored by Faithlife. No one is threatening to boycott them or stop buying their products or regretting their past purchases. 4. Truth hurts but this doesn't hurt that much to be honest. No one is losing sleep over this or forming change.org petitions or writing 20 page discussion threads. In short, you seem to have the right answer to the wrong question.
Geo, I could not agree with you more. To be honest with you, there was quite a while when I didn't even visit these forums because I would get so upset and discouraged with the worldly attitudes, abruptness, cruelty, and pride of Christian brothers' posts to these forums, exactly like the one above. This is a prime example. You and several others were simply asking for a encore presentation of the sales, which is perfectly acceptable - I cannot imagine anyone would have a problem with others simply asking for these sales prices to return (we have not because we ask not). To bring in issues of "taking advantage of others" or to simply say "tough luck" to you and the others is totally unacceptable and outside of the standard of Christian character we are all to adhere to, even on an internet forum. And the whole idea that Dal is right "whether you want to see it that way or not" and the accusation that what you have said is "not right" is simply inappropriate, incorrect, and lacking any spiritual discernment or self-control in my opinion. It is fair for Dal to have his opinion - he is entitled to that. But to use this type of tone and rhetoric, and to deceive himself that he is writing to you under the guise of "Christian love" and as a deliver of the "truth" that you need to hear is lacking any rational biblical basis whatsoever and is absurd.
I am reminded of what a wise man once said: "Whoever restrains his words has knowledge, and he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding. Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent." Proverb 17:27-28
The honorable thing to so - and the Christian thing - would have been to simply say, "I have a different opinion" or, preferably, to simply say nothing and move on, knowing that others are entitled to make request in these forums as they please without the unwarranted rebukes of their brothers and sisters. My heartfelt prayer is that he would apologize to each of you in humble repentance, but that is hard to do when your wrong is uncovered before men. In our flesh we tend to defend our position to the death, even when we know we are wrong and despite the Spirit's conviction in our hearts. It's even harder to say publicly that one was wrong, in a forum setting like this. It's much easier to keep defending our wrong positions to try and save face. Let's pray for a humbled heart, regardless. And let's all remember to love him regardless, as our brother in Christ.
Anyway, I am sorry this occurred. You guys were perfectly in your right to ask what you have asked for. None of you deserved to be attacked and belittled as little children in the name of "truth." Please don't let this discourage you from asking again in the future, as is your right to do so.
Blessings to all of you who asked. Maybe Faithlife will honor your request for this reason, if for no reason at all.
You are right. I can see where this would be a little confusing. Maybe FL can adjust the marketing plan to clarify.
Bump... hopefully Faithlife will see this request and consider it.
I got all the resources when they were on sale, but I am doing a courtesy bump for all of you who would like an encore presentation.
So.....BUMP. [8-|]
Don't do it Faith Life they had plenty of time and is not like you miscommunicated this time. They knew very well when the sale ended. 😝
Anyway, brief overall response: First, I did not accuse faith life of miscommunicating, I stated a fact, as they have miscommunicated a lot of things in the past but surprisingly on the advent sale they didn't. Therefore, it's not an accusation is a true statement. Second, if you guys have acknowledged it's your own fault you missed out on the sale and that you don't want to pressure faith life to extend the sale, then why even make the request to extend it to begin with? And you keep bumping the thread - I guess someone is actually losing sleep over this. And third, why does everybody get so sensitive and offended when they hear the truth and all of a sudden they are the ones accusing you of cruelty and of being worldly and all this baloney. It seems like the only sin it's telling someone that they are wrong but it's OK for them to turn around and tell you that you are wrong for telling them that they are wrong -- oh boy typical excuse used by the immature ones who cannot handle the truth 🤔 Why does faith life have to be the one extending sales all the time just because you couldn't take advantage of the sale for "whatever"reason when you had the same chance others had? Everybody misses deadlines at one point or another, but rules are rules that we must respect. This sale had rules and just because by your own fault you missed out on the sale doesn't mean faith life has to bend the rules yet again to accommodate you. What makes you think you have the right to do that? So no nobody is rightfully entitled to make this request get it right people and put things in perspective at least once in your life. Have you no shame of begging for the opportunity to buy a $4.99 book? Are you guys really that cheap? I'm glad I'm not Jesus or else I would have offended you by using kind words such as hypocrites and brood of vipers - I'm just making a fair comment and I'm already getting stoned by the sensitive ones, now imagine if I was like Jesus I would be on my way to getting crucified right now but I'm not using Jesus' way of telling people the truth - I guess I know better than not to get myself killed LOL
Anyway keep bumping all you want I hope faith life doesn't give in and gets taken advantage of yet again by those who think that generosity is something that has to be given no matter what without paying attention to the rules.
Blessings to all,
Ah, and before I forget. If you guys keep whining I hope faith life closest this thread 🤓
James 1:26
I doubt Faithlife will extend the sale because there are a number of people who would accuse Faithlife of lying about the expiration date of the sale.....
To be honest with you, there was quite a while when I didn't even visit these forums because I would get so upset and discouraged with the worldly attitudes, abruptness, cruelty, and pride of Christian brothers' posts to these forums, exactly like the one above.
I might suggest using Pr. 10:19.
Geo´s response was well though out with out showing any antagonism.
To promote Logos in this tread, here is a nice link http://biblia.com/verseoftheday/image/Pr10.19
Thank you Supertramp at least someone is using logic and being reasonable to FL! If FL does it then they are liars but if they don't then they are inconsiderate to the poor victim customers LOL
James 1:22
Geo´s response was with well though out with out showing any antagonism.
Tom, I can certainly see how you might see it this way, and I respect that. In fact, thank you for caring enough to speak your mind in a respectful manner. Honestly however, sometimes the truth must be spoken. There isn't a sentence or word of what I said that wasn't truth. Dal posted, and continues to post, antagonistic comments and to hyperbolize the words of others in this thread to provide himself an opportunity to attack them, and he is enjoying it. Someone must stand up for what is right - read the book of Amos. His conduct in this forum is completely unacceptable and is an affront to the Christian character we are all to exemplify in these forums. His words were in fact "worldly" as he showed no consideration for their feelings but instead chose to speak as the world speaks, they were abrupt, without any polish or consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others, they were cruel, leveraging accusations that were simply unwarranted as he took their comments out of context and used them to further his attacks on them in subsequent threads, and they were prideful, as he was not willing to apologize even after he was made aware they he had offended people in these forums. It pray earnestly that if I were in his shoes I would quickly realize hurt I have projected onto someone and stand ready to make it right through repentance and apologies.
Indeed, my words in isolation may appear to be a violation of Proverbs 10:19, I concede. But within the broader scope of this thread they were a rebuke of someone who showed absolutely no consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others (and he continues to do so as he later accused them of "whining" and "begging"). Remember, the scope of the offense determines the scope of the correction.
I certainly do not mind being held accountable for my actions (that's a huge problem with American Christianity - no one wants to be accountable for their actions). As a pastor I welcome such an attempt to hold me accountable when the situation warrants such. However, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. The Bible is clear - we are to, in humility, consider others as more significant than ourselves (Ephesians 2:3). Dal did not do this when he proceeded to attack these brothers with unwarranted remarks. As such, with and after much prayer, I feel I was justified in defending the wishes and desires of these brothers, which, remember, was simply a reduction in the price of a few items (seemingly, no bid deal, right? At least not for most of us). They meant no harm to anyone and should been afforded the right to make their own requests without any adverse action on anyone's part, and should have been respected and honored as brothers in Christ - not demeaned and disrespected. And to this point, there has still been no remorse or apologies from him to them, even though the Bible is quite clear that if we knowingly offend our brother we should take appropriate steps to make it right as quickly as possible.
Again, thanks for gently offering the words of wisdom. I do see your point and I appreciate your care and your concern. However, in light of the entirety of context here, the wisdom is, unfortunately, directed at the wrong person. These forums, being composed of Christian brothers and sisters, should be a place of encouragement, edification, wisdom, instruction, and fellowship. It should not be a place where people are afraid to ask for things or make comments out of fear that their comments may be hyperbolize or that they may be bullied. This is not representative of the nature of Christ, no matter what proof-texts are used by Dal to advance a potions.
My apologies for anything I may have said that caused you concern. I do humbly ask your forgiveness, and I ask that you take a moment to look at the broader picture here and seek to see the context in which my comments were justly given.
In Christ alone
Myke
Boy it's sad to see people trying to justify themselves instead of admitting that they actually are in the wrong. Oh boy! According to Myke's logic Jesus must've been very worldly and antagonistic for not considering the Jews feelings because he called them hypocrites he also called them brood of vipers and what else... white washed tombs among other things. Geez Myke you're so sensitive. Quit trying to justify your behavior and encouraging others to take advantage of the generosity faith life has extended AND Learn to play by the rules for once in your life. If it's so hard for you to see that then you're blinder than I thought! You and those who want to pressure FL to extend the sales remind me of that proverb - Proverbs 30:15
Now get over yourself and accept the real truth! If you guys really want faith life to hear you out then call Faith life directly instead of stirring up things in the forum and promoting Proverbs 30:15 I can assure you the answer will be NO, then all you'll have to do is keep quiet and accept no as an answer; but you just love complicating things for yourself, don't you?
If you guys really want faith life to hear you out then call Faith life directly instead of stirring up things in the forum and promoting Proverbs 30:15 I can assure you the answer will be NO,
I will appeal to Bob and Dan Pritchett to extend the sale. They did do that in past years at Christmas. Maybe they will do it again.
If you guys really want faith life to hear you out then call Faith life directly instead of stirring up things in the forum and promoting Proverbs 30:15 I can assure you the answer will be NO, I will appeal to Bob and Dan Pritchett to extend the sale. They did do that in past years at Christmas. Maybe they will do it again.
They did so because the nature of the sale was different and in addition to that at times they miscommunicated things. But this time they were very clear. You can appeal but I doubt it'll work since everybody had the same opportunity. Sometimes you just got to learn to accept that you missed the train and you have to wait for the next one to get on board. It's a fair and simple truth, I don't know why it's so hard for some to grasp it 🙄
This thread is way beyond what is the accepted (and usual) tone in this forum - let alone in Christmas time. To me it seems, Myke got that with his last post on page 1, but not everybody else.
Faithlife is running the forum in a very light-handed manner, but I think they should close this thread. Not for the respectful question/wishes of the OP, but because of the degradation that occurred later. Actually there's nothing to discuss about anymore, so we could let it simply lie dormant and focus on something else.
I have sent this as an email request to Bob & Dan, and also asking them to have this thread closed.
Thanks,
Super...on behalf of those above who wanted another shot at these, thank you for your intervention and your insight on previous occurrences. That is/was most thoughtful. Blessings to you for your time and your thoughtfulness.
I have sent this as an email request to Bob & Dan Thanks, Peter
I have sent this as an email request to Bob & Dan
[Y] Hope they help you guys out.
I really hope that all of us on here are mature Christians, but the thought continues to hit my mind "what if there are newly transformed and those very new who are seeking the Lord, are viewing these conversations?". My prayer is that this will not cause an extreme amount of additional work in keeping their mind straight. Some will form opinions within themselves stating "what's the difference?", "Christians are no different than the world", and other such thoughts. We must take into consideration that there may be babies watching what we do, listening to what we say, and observing how we act and react. It is one thing to have a private conversation with a brother or sister to express big differences of opinion, and it's another thing to have that conversation on stage in a public arena. Sure, these things occur among ourselves for whatever reason (we are still human), however, we are to honor and glorify God, not just by our actions, but by our conversations also.
My thoughts.
Be blessed.
Call a sales person or use the online chat. Sometimes they can make allowances for individual circumstances especially if they can see it was in you basket but not purchased.
P.S. The forums are intended for users to help other users and are not usually the best way to reach Faithlife employees. If you are unable to contact sales, perhaps one of the other forum members could direct sales to your plight.
Yes, being the third in this thread. Shut it down please.
Mike
The online chat doesn't come on when I need it.
I just called Sales and they're not able to offer the sale price.
It's okay. They're just nice-to-haves. I don't need those books.
Thanks all.
i'm going to borrow a quote from the movie taken, spoken by Marco from Tropoja, "...Good luck!" LOL we should just go ahead and write a petition to the White House to make FL bend the rules for those who have 24 literal days to make a purchase but they didn't do so because they waited till the last minute -- wow, how considerate of others' generosity!
The online chat doesn't come on when I need it. I just called Sales and they're not able to offer the sale price. It's okay. They're just nice-to-haves. I don't need those books. Thanks all. Peter
Didn't hurt to ask. Sorry they couldn't help you out there. Maybe next time. [:)]
for those who have 24 literal days
Your math is incorrect. If you appeal to "truth" to justify your tone, allow me to require you be factual.
Oh boy, what did I tell you? I knew they would say no if you called! And you went through all this trouble when you could've just picked up the phone in the first place. I'm so amazed, they said "No," wow, no kidding! Oh, and now you don't need those books anymore, no kidding! 😂
I will do you a favor I will appeal for the thread or at least my posts to be deleted. But thank you for proving my point, so kind of you! 😁
for those who have 24 literal days Your math is incorrect. If you appeal to "truth" to justify your tone, allow me to require you be factual.
LOL you just made my day MJ 😉 Happy Holidays to you too!
LOL we should just go ahead and write a petition to the White House to make FL bend the rules for those who have 24 literal days to make a purchase but they didn't do so because they waited till the last minute -- wow, how considerate of others' generosity!
If you are going to appeal you should appeal to someone who has the authority to do something about it.
😁
Good Grief.
There is a lesson to be learned from this silly request that was denied - if you missed the sale, you can always catch the next one. And be a little bit more greatful, because you had it WAY better than others. Take for instance the Spanish department - what did we get as freebie? One sample chapter of Spurgeon's Treasury of David in Spanish (chapter 23 which was a booklet that contained that brief exposition in Logos format). And for a year-end sale, we got 13 deals, one each day for the last 13 days of December of this year (still a few more deals to go). Ah, and each deal only lasted 24 hrs. Do you think people are asking FL to bring the sales back just because they only had 24 HOURS to purchase and not 24 DAYS like you guys did? No, they are not! Some expressed their disappointment, sure, but either way they took it with a grain of salt and moved on. FL owns the Spanish department and they could have easily sponsored a better sale with a few freebies but they didn't do it and they don't have to do it. So, be greatful for what YOU got which is WAY BETTER than what others got. If you want a resource that is no longer on sale, then dish out the cash and buy it at regular price like everybody else does and you'll avoid feeling embarrassed when they tell you, "sorry that deal already expired, we can no longer offer you that price."
Happy Holidays!
Ps. Correction - Spanish sale is 14 days not 13 but still each deal only lasts 24 hrs. Not 24 Days 😋
There is a lesson to be learned from this silly request that was denied
Denied? Bob Pritchett has referred it to the Marketing Department. Saying it is "denied" may be premature.
There is a lesson to be learned from this silly request that was denied Denied? Bob Pritchett has referred it to the Marketing Department. Saying it is "denied" may be premature.
Yep PL got denied. But then again he doesn't need the books anyway, so only God knows why all the ruckus about bringing back a sale for books you don't even need 😁
Read this https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121092/792607.aspx#792607
Some people have lost their jobs and here you are whining about petty things like bringing a $4.99 sale of books you don't even need!
How long?!
It's a business guys, get it right!
Just chill, DAL! It is not your responsibility to set everyone straight. We let you be wrong, let us be wrong.
They meant no harm to anyone and should been afforded the right to make their own requests without any adverse action on anyone's part, and should have been respected and honored as brothers in Christ ... .
Totally agree. [Y]
And to this point, there has still been no remorse or apologies from him to them, even though the Bible is quite clear that if we knowingly offend our brother we should take appropriate steps to make it right as quickly as possible.
This is that part that troubles me a little (probably because we can not sit down together over a coffee or even better a good glass of wine [;)]).
Because I never saw the deleted post by one of the original posters (or was it just a deleted double post[^o)]), I really can´t see that they were that offended, they were disappointed, they are still hopeful that Faith-life will respond in their favor, but they seem more then willing to accept what ever decision Bob makes in the end.
The part that troubles me is it seem that you are needlessly "taking up an offence" of others who were quite capable of responding to DAL themselves (as one of the posters already did) if they saw fit to do so. Brings to my mind Pr. 26:4-5 [^o)]
Oh, one last thing, I did and still do like your replay from which the above quote was taken. [Y]
As far as I am concerned, no offence was ever given nor are apologies needed. As you well know, a mature Christian is not easily offended (they over look the insults of others)! Pr. 19.11
Tom
Some people have lost their jobs and here you are whining about petty things like bringing a $4.99 sale of books you don't even need! Just chill, DAL! It is not your responsibility to set everyone straight. We let you be wrong, let us be wrong.
Hmmm, that's a good way to put it...we were all wrong today at one degree or another. Now let's pray for those who lost their job, some whom I called FL and asked for them today and was told they didn't have anybody by that name working there.
Ps. As a mature Christian I choose to overlook what transpired today in this particular thread - Have a blessed night!
This is that part that troubles me a little (probably because we can not sit down together over a coffee or even better a good glass of wine ).
Who says we cant? If you have the right bottle of wine, anyway! LOL [;)]
[The part that troubles me is it seem that you are needlessly "taking up an offence" of others who were quite capable of responding to DAL themselves (as one of the posters already did) if they saw fit to do so. Brings to my mind Pr. 26:4-5
Please remember the message of Prov 26:4-5. The message was not to engage a fool "according to their folly" which means quite clearly speaking to a fool in the same manner and intent in which they spoke. Can I ask you a favor as a Christian brother? Can you go back and read each of DAL's posts in this thread? Then read mine again. If you do, I hope you will see the clear difference. His were done with pride and antagonism, mine were done with righteous indignation in light of scriptural truth and in defense of others. You may not like what I said, or the way that I said it (and for that I am, again, truly sorry, really!), but the truth is that what I said was true and scripture, our basis for orthodoxy and orthopraxy, will confirm it.
Maybe I am a naive softy, but it is heart-breaking to me that anyone could act in this manner in a forum and continue to antagonize and demean others, even using the misfortunes of others in recent layoffs to promote his agenda and give the appearance that he is justified in his words and actions. It's not right and I feel that myself and the others who spoke up were well warranted in our rebuke of his conduct. We are to avoid conflict when we can, but there is a time to stand up for what is right, and this was that time.
Thank you for your graciousness. That's what we need more of on these forums.
Christ's richest blessings to you!
PS: You can PM me on Faithlife if I need further correction or you want to communicate with me further. Im gonna unsubscribe here so Im not lured into any more replies should there be any further offensive comments. I want to do my part to kill this thread. Besides, I need to do a lot of praying after all this. [:)]
