Personnel changes at Faithlife
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Faithlife don't use OpenSSL - they're on a Windows stack.
Oh the irony
#App-lessWindowsPhoneUser
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Great question! That is my main concern as well. I know that you can still run the program offline but what IF Faithlife were to fail, would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one? Those are questions I would like answered to my satisfaction before I invest a lot more money into this software.Bootjack said:Again, pardon my ignorance, but if things were ever to go pads up at Logos, or is it now just Faithlife, does this mean what I presently have purchased / the program itself, is not going to work at all or as well?
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William M. Harper said:
would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one?
Method 1 at https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers shows a way to install the software on an offline computer - which is similar (equivalent?) to the scenario you are considering.
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William M. Harper said: would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one?
If Faithlife closed down, then we'd eventually lose access to our books unless:
- We backed up the entire installation, including the licence file.
- Or, another company bought out the assets and maintained the licence servers, etc.
- Or, users worked out how to hack the licence file.
I am 99% certain that Faithlife won't close down, 99.99% certain that if the do another company would maintain the service, and 99.99999% certain that if that didn't happen then users would work something out.
There's been plenty of discussion about this over the years, particularly here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121491/795581.aspx#795581
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Mark Barnes said:
I am 99% certain that Faithlife won't close down, 99.99% certain that if the do another company would maintain the service, and 99.99999% certain that if that didn't happen then users would work something out.
I am not sure we wouldn't have interruptions and who knows what direction things might take after that but even Bob said worse case scenario someone will get a bargain at bankruptcy. Logos has decent software numerous contracts for distribution and an extremely significant customer base. I am not sure who would buy it but I know it might be a pretty prize for Hapercollins, i know they own OT now but combining their top notch mobile apps with Logos desktop apps might be a marriage made in heaven. But that said Bob has stated on several occasions the company is in no financial trouble. I hope this is the truth, if not there is not much us users can do about it.
-Dan
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Somewhere, someone has said ...
“For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. “But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ “For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Has Faithlife bought out Logos or is this another name for the same company. Also JRS, thanks for the heads up, but this same thing in principal was said about Biblesoft. At least with them, one could (and has) the program still on disk.
It appears to me, we can't even have (since we've paid for this already) the program on disk to install again should things go into meltdown. Maybe no need to worry but for those of us who have poured thousands of dollars into this, we should at least have the option of having this program on disk. I realize everyone's program might be a bit different but hey, give us the option at least of buying it on disk without having to mortgage the house!??!
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Bootjack said:
Has Faithlife bought out Logos or is this another name for the same company. Also JRS, thanks for the heads up, but this same thing in principal was said about Biblesoft. At least with them, one could (and has) the program still on disk.
Logos changed it;s name to faithlife because it offers a secondary Bible Program and church presentation software, as well as Noet philosophy humanities software.
-Dan
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Mark Barnes said:
William M. Harper said:
would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one?
If Faithlife closed down, then we'd eventually lose access to our books unless:
- We backed up the entire installation, including the licence file.
- Or, another company bought out the assets and maintained the licence servers, etc.
- Or, users worked out how to hack the licence file.
I am 99% certain that Faithlife won't close down, 99.99% certain that if the do another company would maintain the service, and 99.99999% certain that if that didn't happen then users would work something out.
There's been plenty of discussion about this over the years, particularly here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121491/795581.aspx#795581
Mark
What is the process for backing up all the files- I have a stand alone HD 1 terabyte- plenty to store L6 (or 7, 8, 9 or even 10 if I live long enough) and all its files on.
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I thought Logos 6 now "phones home" to get licensing info? If that's true, and if Faithlife the company exists no more, our software wouldn't be able to call home to validate licensing info. The program might still function but we won't have access to any of our resources.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm normally not concerned about the viability of Faithlife as a company. But if some of the comments on Glassdoor is indeed true - that it is internally a poorly managed company, that many employees view FL as a stepping-stone for their careers and thus the company is unable to retain good talent long-term, then I'm really concerned.
And thinking back on the various botched / amateur instances of new product rollout (e.g. Logos 4), server meltdowns, out-of-control over-zealous marketing / sales pushes, inability to complete or stick with projects (think how many attempts the company has had for a web-based version of its software), false starts (Faithlife Dating Service), I have to believe that some of these allegations might hold some truth.
So for the first time since Logos 1, I'm worried about the long-term vitality of the company.
Peter
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PL said:
The program might still function but we won't have access to any of our resources.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
You can test this by ensuring your computer is disconnected from the Internet and starting Logos. It will run fine and you will have access to your resources - you won't (obviously) have access to features which require an Internet connection
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PL said:
I thought Logos 6 now "phones home" to get licensing info? If that's true, and if Faithlife the company exists no more, our software wouldn't be able to call home to validate licensing info. The program might still function but we won't have access to any of our resources.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm normally not concerned about the viability of Faithlife as a company. But if some of the comments on Glassdoor is indeed true - that it is internally a poorly managed company, that many employees view FL as a stepping-stone for their careers and thus the company is unable to retain good talent long-term, then I'm really concerned.
And thinking back on the various botched / amateur instances of new product rollout (e.g. Logos 4), server meltdowns, out-of-control over-zealous marketing / sales pushes, inability to complete or stick with projects (think how many attempts the company has had for a web-based version of its software), false starts (Faithlife Dating Service), I have to believe that some of these allegations might hold some truth.
So for the first time since Logos 1, I'm worried about the long-term vitality of the company.
Peter
The books are encrypted with a key that's on your hard drive.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
What is the process for backing up all the files- I have a stand alone HD 1 terabyte- plenty to store L6 (or 7, 8, 9 or even 10 if I live long enough) and all its files on.
Just backup the entire Logos folder in %localappdata% (it may be called Logos4, Logos5 or Verbum).
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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PL said:
I'm normally not concerned about the viability of Faithlife as a company. But if some of the comments on Glassdoor is indeed true - that it is internally a poorly managed company, that many employees view FL as a stepping-stone for their careers and thus the company is unable to retain good talent long-term, then I'm really concerned.
When evaluating the comments, look at the department that people are from, and whether they're a current employee or a former employee. You'll notice that the majority of comments that are negative about management are in the marketing/sales department, which suggests that if there is a problem, it's largely restricted to that one area.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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PL said:
I thought Logos 6 now "phones home" to get licensing info? If that's true, and if Faithlife the company exists no more, our software wouldn't be able to call home to validate licensing info. The program might still function but we won't have access to any of our resources.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If you back up your entire installing (including the licence file), you should be able to continue to work without phoning home.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Theodore Roosevelt said:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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beliefnet said:
God, we pray for all those who have suddenly lost employment. There are many. We ask you to first give them peace and a settled confidence. Their natural response is to shock and then fear, and to begin questioning their abilities, the past accomplishments and their future prospects. Give them your encouragement today, and do so through surprising ways, both directly from your Spirit and through other people who come across their path. Build them up, as this situation has torn them down. Remind them of past victories, and awaken new dreams for their future. Give them – today – divine appointments with people who may be key in opening a new future for them. Give them hope; lighten their step; lift the anxiety from their body; give them sleep and an unexpected joy. God, you intend us to have a purposeful life. You give us work assignments to accomplish because you designed us to help you create and sustain your creation. We are not made for idleness or sloth. We need meaningful work. So for all those who have lost a job, today bring them one step closer to a new direction. Show them any areas in their own character that need to change in order for their destiny to be realized. Then give them the wisdom and power to make those changes, by your Spirit. Today is a new day with new possibilities. Let nothing stand in the way of your purposes in the lives of those who, without your assistance, cannot find their next course. We pray this in Jesus…
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/prayerplainandsimple/2010/03/a-prayer-for-anyone-facing-a-job-layoff.html#wpR50TjQWmaTM24y.99"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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MJ. Smith said:
My advice ... ignore most of the thread because most of it is speculation not knowledge. And since we don't have the facts to see what is going on, we can scarcely say we've seen it before although we may have seen something that bore distinct similarities from the perspective of a user without knowledge of the innards of the company.
"Where there's smoke, there's fire" or, the beginning of one.
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Charles McNeil said:
"Where there's smoke, there's fire" or, the beginning of one.
But where there is the illusion of smoke, there may be no fire ...[:P]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I wonder if the people that lost their job would so cavalierly describe their situation as "an illusion".
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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William M. Harper said:
Great question! That is my main concern as well. I know that you can still run the program offline but what IF Faithlife were to fail, would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one? Those are questions I would like answered to my satisfaction before I invest a lot more money into this software.
I, too, am not a "fanboy" of Faithlife, but I believe Bob and the leadership love FL as much as you love using the Logos products. I also, believe Bob would do right by its customers and the company reputation. Independent of Bob and all the current employees, the Logos Bible Software is a good product. Bob would be less than wise to let such a good thing slip between his fingers. In a remotest, chance of failure a wise businessman would snap it up before it hits the ground.
Remember, Christian users, "...God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." You have nothing to fear for the future of Logos Bible Software, lest you forget, how Faithlife took care of its customers in the past. Ask questions, be inquisitive, but don't worry, Logos is a quality product. Its practicality speaks for itself. No Fear!
The New King James Version. (1982). (2 Ti 1:7). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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Charles McNeil said:
Is it possible for us to discuss this collection elsewhere finding it possibly that it lacks quality, to explain why it's not doing well?
MJ. Smith said:Charles McNeil said:finding it possibly that it lacks quality,
I was a subscriber to the series from the first volume to 80-something when I became to busy to read them. I assure you that quality is not the issue. I suspect that it is the makeup of the user base as the original target market has little overlap with Logos.
New discussion started Paulist Press Classics of Western Spirituality Bundle (126 vols.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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Charles McNeil said:
Please unpack this statement.
The original advertising for the series was describing it as an answer for those who were turning to the East for religious meaning and emphasizing that the values of mediation, self-knowledge, overcoming of self-deception, non-attachment, direct experience of union with the divine ... were also present in the West. Think what skeptics would call hippie fascination with the perennial philosophy. Given that there is no pressure on Logos to offer McGinn's The Presence of God: A History of Western Christian Mysticism, that Islam is panned without recognition of the Sufi contributions to Christian theology esp. Gregory Palamas, ... I could add a number of similar examples ... lead me to believe that "hippie fascination with the perennial philosophy" and "Logos users" have little overlap.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
lead me to believe that "hippie fascination with the perennial philosophy" and "Logos users" have little overlap.
Concisely stated, Thanks.
Yet, you say this set has value. What and to whom?
Why FL invested so much with so little interest?
Do you think a big discount could generate new sells to recoup monies spent?
New thread started Paulist Press Classics of Western Spirituality Bundle (126 vols.)
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Mark, you mention backing up %localappdata% ... I cannot find this on my system. Also, you mention backing up the license file.
Can you add a bit to what you're saying, e.g. how to actually back up the system should Faithlife go pads up & our computer(s) burst into a ball of flame at the same time. (Hopefully a hyperbole)
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Charles McNeil said:
"Where there's smoke, there's fire" or, the beginning of one.
Wow. Just wow. I think Faithlife's patience in dealing with thread alone shows a level of integrity that should be all the assurance we need.
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Charles McNeil said:
Yet, you say this set has value. What and to whom?
To all Christians and to all people who take religion seriously. Beyond that I would have to cross the line of not speaking of theology in the forums. Reading McGinn for Christian history outside the standard Church histories would be the best means of you finding the answer. Reading "The Way of the Pilgrim" might also answer the question - much more cheaply and quickly. Or others may step in and give an answer without "putting their foot in it as I would."
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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