Search: Seventy or 70 (vs. 72 etc.)

Rob Wilson

Example Ref:  Luke 10:1–24:

Majority Text (KJV, etc. based on Majority) says Jesus sent out "seventy".

Critical Text (ESV, etc. based on Critical) says Jesus sent out "seventy-two".

I've seen some authors describing this "issue" as "70 or 71 or 72" (not sure why).

In addition, different Logos "Bibles" list the "numbers" differently as words and as numbers.

Trying to compare using Search but only want to find "Seventy or 70" in one search and "Seventy-two or 72" in another.  Everything I know to do isn't working.  I'd appreciate some help.

Also ... is this the best Forum to ask such a question in?

Mark Barnes

Rob Wilson said:

Trying to compare using Search but only want to find "Seventy or 70" in one search and "Seventy-two or 72" in another.  Everything I know to do isn't working.  I'd appreciate some help.

The problem that you've got is that searching for "seventy" will also return results for "seventy-two". So you need to search for

(70, seventy) ANDNOT "seventy-two"

And then for

(72, "seventy-two")

The quotes aren't necessary, but because I can never remember if you need quotes around hyphenated words, I tend to put them in by habit.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/797259#Comment_797259

Mark Barnes said:

The problem that you've got is that searching for "seventy" will also return results for "seventy-two". So you need to search for

(70, seventy) ANDNOT "seventy-two"

To be precise, one would need to search for (70, seventy) NOTEQUALS "seventy-two" ( just in case seventy and seventy-two occur both in the same context that Logos takes for AND / ANDNOT ) - I learned that from MVP Mark Barnes [;)] 

Rob Wilson

Thanks!

David J. Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/797317#Comment_797317

Searches also bring up the "other" passage re 70, Numbers 11:16-29 (or was it 72 given verse 26 compared to verse 24-25),
not to mention the 70 nations in Genesis 10 (but 72 per LXX).  You may want to use these to verify the accuracy of the search method you select.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/797317#Comment_797317

NB.Mick said:

To be precise, one would need to search for (70, seventy) NOTEQUALS "seventy-two"

(70, seventy) NOTEQUALS  "seventy-two"  proves that 70 or seventy  do not occur in the same context as "seventy-two" - it gives the same result as (70, seventy)!  

(70, seventy) ANDNOT "seventy-two" has its problems because of ANDNOT but it is compounded because it still can't distinguish combinations of "seventy" like "seventy four", "seventy nine", etc.

70 OR (seventy ANDNOT "seventy-two")  is an improvement but that's about all one can say!

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/797317#Comment_797317

NB.Mick said:

To be precise, one would need to search for (70, seventy) NOTEQUALS "seventy-two" ( just in case seventy and seventy-two occur both in the same context that Logos takes for AND / ANDNOT ) - I learned that from MVP Mark Barnes  

Whilst usually that's a good idea, it doesn't work in this context. Presumably it doesn't work because "seventy-two" is treated as two words by the indexer, and therefore the word "seventy" isn't in exactly the same location as "seventy-two" (which spans two locations).

This is a search crying out for a NOT operator (or at least a NOTBEFORE).