New Year New Jerusalem Bible with full study notes
New Year New Jerusalem Bible with full study notes
This one needs a push
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agreed. would love to see this in development.
have pre-ordered already.
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I know I have shared this in other threads but to give people a feel for what is in the notes compared to the rudimentary notes found in the readers edition I will place this here again.…
Many of you may well have the readers edition of NJB in your Libraries but to give you an idea for those of you not familiar with it. Imagine the NIV Study Bible was published first and the the translation was excised out of it with the bare minimal notes.
This is the full text:
1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; 2 but in our time, the final days, a he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, b whom he appointed heir of all things c and through whom he made the ages. d 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, e sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name.
a. In the fullness of time, Mk 1:15; Ga 4:4c, the last times or the last days begin, Ac 2:17; 1 P 1:20.
b. After the prophets, God sends an envoy who is no longer a mere messenger like the others; he is ‘Son’, cf. Mk 12:2-6; Rm 1:4c, he is even the Word, Jn 1:1a, 14m.
c. To be a son implies having the right to inherit, cf. Mt 21:38, Ga 4:7. Here, however, God is credited with the handing over of the whole creation because the inheritance in question is messianic and eschatological.
d. Hebraism for the whole of creation.
e. These two metaphors are borrowed from the sophia and logos theologies of Alexandria, Ws 7:25-26; they express both the identity of nature between Father and Son, and the distinction of persons. The Son is the brightness, the light shining from its source, which is the bright glory, see Ex 24:16f, of the Father (‘Light from Light’). He is also the replica, see Col 1:15d, of the Father’s substance, like an exact impression made by a seal on clay or wax, cf. Jn 14:9.This is what the readers version we currently own in Logos provides:
1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but 2 in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, * sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name.
* cf. Ws 7:25–26.
The New Jerusalem Bible (New York: Doubleday, 1985), Heb 1:1–4.
This is an invaluable work that every scholar of the Bible should want in their library. For $15.99 it is one of the greatest bargains you will find in the Logos world. Please consider ordering it to help bring this work in it's fullness to Logos. Please note that often times the notes are far more verbose and occasionally in some books of the OT they are less so, that is the nature of Bible commentaries and Study Bibles.
-Dan
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Yes this does indeed need a push ! I pre-ordered this a while back. Come on, people bid, and let's get this into production !!!!!!
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It truly is sad this in not yet under development. Indeed it really should have been part of every Verbum 7 package available. It is one of the most important study Bibles of the 20th century Just behind the NIV Study Bible in importance in m mind.
-Dan
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I am often amazed at how difficult it is to get Bibles through prepub. I know that it is partially the production costs but still this is BIBLE study software.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I saw P A's bump again, and sighed ... this prepub is an innocent victim of the 'Denise rule'; if only 50% after a few weeks, then a perminent prepub.
I really would like this prepub ... but the title is the poison pill. Most people already have their favorite Bibles. Just like NET, the value is the notes.
And NJSB (renamed) has really fascinating notes. In Dan's example, note 'a' is really interesting .... fullness of time, last times, or the interesting one, last days begin. I also wonder about note 'd'; maybe. Note 'e' is quite good too; quite a bit is tracable to Alexandria.
Too bad we couldn't break into Bellingham HQ ... joking, of course (have to add that these days).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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MJ. Smith said:
I am often amazed at how difficult it is to get Bibles through prepub. I know that it is partially the production costs but still this is BIBLE study software.
That is very true. This particular text is limited to US and Canadian customers rather than the world at large. More people might seek it if the publisher's geographical restrictions were lifted, but I guess that's unlikely. Keep well Paul
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MJ. Smith said:
I am often amazed at how difficult it is to get Bibles through prepub. I know that it is partially the production costs but still this is BIBLE study software.
Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way - has anyone tried "Alexa, get NJB out of prepub" or "Alexa, sync personal books to mobile"?
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I just placed my prepub but line looks bloody red to me. It might get taken to the slaughter soon if it stays like that.
DAL
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You're fortunate to be able to access the Readers Version let alone look forward to the full Study Bible. Those of us living outside of the USA & Canada are prevented by copyright restrictions from purchasing a copy!
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The Exegetical Summary series often refers to NJB, and those summaries are used by many Bible translators mostly in locations outside USA and Canada.
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Steve Nicholson said:
You're fortunate to be able to access the Readers Version let alone look forward to the full Study Bible. Those of us living outside of the USA & Canada are prevented by copyright restrictions from purchasing a copy!
(Dont tell anyone: You can place pre-orders on restricted products even when you're outside North America!)
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Denise said:
'Denise rule'; if only 50% after a few weeks, then a permanent prepub
Sad fact, but this seems to prove it - I have pre-ordered this in 2013:
https://www.logos.com/product/30801/commentary-on-the-new-testament-from-the-talmud-and-midrash
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On the bright side Bullinger critical lexicon being released 4 November
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P A said:
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Perhaps it will show up in one of the L7 expansion bundles, to help get it into production.
Love your profile photo, by the way. Always puts a smile on my face!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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I measured the bar on the screen and calculated it is 56%.
I really would like to see accurate numbers and the daily changes, in a diagram like the stock prices, that would make prepubs and community pricing more exciting!
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Now I measured the bar again, and it looks like it is 62%
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Still need more I know but gets a few more each month... by this time next year we will have it... unless somehow FL decides it is important enough to be put into some sort of package... then we might see it even quicker...
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
unless somehow FL decides it is important enough to be put into some sort of package...
That would be problematic and cause customer confusion / disenchantment because this resource is not licensed to be sold outside of United States and Canada.
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One of my friends is a tunnel view cryptobiblicist lutheran and he says that NJB is liberal. But he uses it anyway.
I think all publishers of NJB should celebrate that attitude and make NJB available for Logos users globally.
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Dan Francis said:
unless somehow FL decides it is important enough to be put into some sort of package...
That would be problematic and cause customer confusion / disenchantment because this resource is not licensed to be sold outside of United States and Canada.
But for many years the Catholic Catechism was US Canada only heck for a a few months anyway it was US only... I want FL to get world wide rights for the NJB but do not see it's limitations being as a major barrier to a package, in the sameway other NA only works have been in packages before.
-Dan
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Veli Voipio said:
he says that NJB is liberal. But he uses it anyway.
And that is one of the reasons we need this in Logos... It is of such a high quality even its detractors will not ignore it but take advantage of it.
-Dan
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Dan you don't see it as a problem because you want this resource and you are not being prevented from getting it. For those of us who are locked out it is a problem, particulay given this company's recent track record with getting things wrong. I don't trust them to handle this properly.
Dan Francis said:Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Dan Francis said:unless somehow FL decides it is important enough to be put into some sort of package...
That would be problematic and cause customer confusion / disenchantment because this resource is not licensed to be sold outside of United States and Canada.
But for many years the Catholic Catechism was US Canada only heck for a a few months anyway it was US only... I want FL to get world wide rights for the NJB but do not see it's limitations being as a major barrier to a package, in the sameway other NA only works have been in packages before.
-Dan
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Veli Voipio said:
he says that NJB is liberal.
I find that rather funny because I know people who consider it conservative. [:)] I suspect that it depends upon what attribute you use to determine the liberal/conservative label.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Yes I agree with you Doc it should be available to all... that said it being available to NA customers seems like a good start... I am not saying FL should not be trying hard to achieve world wide rights, indeed with them I can see this being under contract much quicker. I am in no position to know if FL would ever work to gain the rights but one would guess they would like to have them. Accordance seems to have no restriction on their text so DLT must be willing to play ball with NA software companies. Why has FL never gotten the rights is something I do not know. But that fact alone leads one to feel that them seeking world rights may not happen. Believe me I want this available for all... but will not stop trying to get it for NA users, partially because I have no idea what I could do to push FL to getting world wide rights.
-Dan
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This is just a duplicate post from another thread:
BUMP... We need a lot of movement to get this fine work into Logos.
Four reasons to get the NJB complete.
1) The NJB is quite simply a literary masterpiece. It communicates the Bible in a way that is hard to explain I remember one protestant minster telling me back in the early 90's that it was the most accurate translation since the KJV... Now one can take that statement as you will, but the truth of the matter is the quality of the translation and poetic stylings make this a work that speaks to ones soul. Without the notes you are left with singing and no music. The notes explain things give valuable references.
2) The notes indeed the entire project was done primarily by scholars living in the Holy Land at the École Bibliotech living there offers them insights that can easily be missed by those from away.
3)This work is widely respected not only by Roman Catholics but also many protestant bodies and even in non-religious circles as a good Bible to study and use for reference.
4)While used by many it is written from a catholic perspective although very little dogma ever makes it into the notes, the authors took seriously the wider canon and refer to it. For example quite often Paul's virtual quoting of the wisdom of solomon is over looked. The NJB notes do make note of this... That is not to try to say Paul believed Wis. to be scripture but it is nice to see where some of his quotations are coming from.
The lack of this full edition in Logos feels much like an orchestra missing a violin. Logos functions well without it but there is definitely something missing, please consider getting it, it may be the best $16 you have spent to expand the breadth of your logos library. If you are protestant if gives you a solid look into catholic scholarship, if you are RC is gives you one of the finest study Bibles the Catholic Church has ever produced. Thank you for your time and please have a blessed advent season.
-Dan
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This is my favorite Bible of ALL TIME. If I could pre-order more than one copy to speed up the process I would do so.
Help us out please. [:$]
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William H Nelson said:
If I could pre-order more than one copy to speed up the process I would do so.
If you know other people who use the software but haven't pre-ordered this (and won't), you could...
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Dan I am happy for NA customers to get this title even if the rest of us miss out. Keep pushing this to front and centre and maybe one day the rest of us can add it to our library. I just don't feel comfortable with split base packages based on geographic location.
Dan Francis said:Yes I agree with you Doc it should be available to all... that said it being available to NA customers seems like a good start... I am not saying FL should not be trying hard to achieve world wide rights, indeed with them I can see this being under contract much quicker. I am in no position to know if FL would ever work to gain the rights but one would guess they would like to have them. Accordance seems to have no restriction on their text so DLT must be willing to play ball with NA software companies. Why has FL never gotten the rights is something I do not know. But that fact alone leads one to feel that them seeking world rights may not happen. Believe me I want this available for all... but will not stop trying to get it for NA users, partially because I have no idea what I could do to push FL to getting world wide rights.
-Dan
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