2016 in going to be an exciting year for the EEC series!
Many of us have happily invested in the upcoming EEC series. Of course paying almost $1,000 upfront is a lot of money for something that hasn’t even been produced yet, but we trusted the Logos Company that they would deliver what they promised, and inform us when things would change.
We have seen a slow start for the series, but almost all volumes released have been top-notch. We are anticipating more stellar commentaries coming out soon.
2016 is going to be an awesome year! Just have a look at the latest 2016 release dates on the product page:
Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016
Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release: August 1, 2016
Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016
Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016
Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016
Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016
We can image that one or two commentaries won’t quite make it in time, but we trust the majority will. Faithlife knows very well that the customers who paid upfront have no other insight into when they will receive what they paid for, other than what they can learn from the official EEC website.
It is hard to image that they would know that the majority of these volumes won’t make it, and not inform their customers.
This is not the same as a pre-pub product for which Faithlife doesn’t want or need to make any promises concerning its release. This commentaries series is a product that people have actually paid for, making their purchase based on what they were told they would receive.
I am looking forward to hear some (hopefully reassuring) news from someone on the production team!
Oh, and has someone on the Faithlife team seen the line on the product page that says “The entire 44-volume set will be available in 2019—an unprecedented publication timetable for a commentary of this magnitude.” If this is incorrect, would someone please take the time to fix this?
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I didn't know that Rob Thomas from Matchbox 20 got converted and was writing a commentary on 1 & 2 Thessalonians 🤘👍👌😜 I hear he stays up 'til "3:00AM" writing 😁
DAL
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André Kamphuis said:
We can image that one or two commentaries won’t quite make it in time, but we trust the majority will. Faithlife knows very well that the customers who paid upfront have no other insight into when they will receive what they paid for, other than what they can learn from the official EEC website.
It is hard to image that they would know that the majority of these volumes won’t make it, and not inform their customers.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news. But, I don't think this is correct. Check these out:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/117095/768826.aspx#768826
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121448/794447.aspx#794447
Seems that 2 of the above are coming and one that isn't even in the list above.
Philippians
1-2 Chronicles
Jeremiah
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If that is the case, the official sales pages for EEC should be updated to reflect reality. At the moment, people could be basing purchase decisions for EEC based on the deadlines on the official EEC website, and would not know if those have been superseded by forum discussions.
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Jim Snowden said:
If that is the case, the official sales pages for EEC should be updated to reflect reality. At the moment, people could be basing purchase decisions for EEC based on the deadlines on the official EEC website, and would not know if those have been superseded by forum discussions.
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I thought the John Oswalt volume on 1 & 2 Kings was due out in Feb. of 2016. Has it been released, or is it delayed? I must have missed an updated about this.
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Michael Childs said:
I thought the John Oswalt volume on 1 & 2 Kings was due out in Feb. of 2016. Has it been released, or is it delayed? I must have missed an updated about this.
According to the product page this won't be out for another four years - July of 2020.
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Nord Zootman said:
According to the product page this won't be out for another four years - July of 2020.
Off just a little....
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Wow! It did get delayed big time. Of perhaps I was just wrong.
wow
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I contacted Bob and he had his team look at the release dates again. I just noticed an update to the EEC page:
Most volumes that were scheduled for release around mid 2016, have been postponed until December 2016 or January 2017. Let's hope that these new dates are more realistic and not just another day to announce another delay. I would be pleased if this many volumes will get released in 2016.
Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016 December 1, 2016
Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016 December 1, 2016
Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016 December 1, 2016
Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016 December 1, 2016
Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016 January 1, 2017
Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016
Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release: August 1, 2016
Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016
Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016
Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016
Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016
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Thanks for the update Andre
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Thanks for the update Andre and for following this up with FL.
I agree, if FL meet this schedule, 2016 will be a very good year for the EEC. I have enjoyed all of the volumes to date.
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FWIW, it's been really hard to predict these dates.... Our team tries to stay on top of things, but the authors are all busy people working on many projects, and sometimes our agreed deadline falls victim to other priorities. As the publisher who wants to work with the best authors, sometimes we don't have any choice but to wait until they are ready.
We'll continue to try and keep the dates current, but I'd encourage you to treat them all as our best estimate with what we know at the moment.
I'm sorry for the frustration -- we'd like it done too! :-)
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Hey Bob,
You may want to have someone update the Logos.com product page. The last paragraph says "The entire 44-volume set will be available in 2019..." The EEC page shows an October 1, 2020 date. You know how some of these forum users can be! It might reduce some of the disgruntled temperaments...or not!
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Hi Bob,
I agree with Rusty and you should change the product page to reflect 2020 or beyond.
Matt
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André Kamphuis said:
Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016
Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release: August 1, 2016
Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016
Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016
Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016
Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016
Well, the story continues.... The estimated release dates have been updated on the EEC page. Turns out that from the list above, only two (!) titles have survived the tentative target dates... (read: year of publication):
Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016 December 1, 2016
Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016 November 1, 2016
Of course there is no guarantee that either of these two will make it out of the door before the end of the year, but one can always choose to hope for the best.
That Faithlife still sells this product with the promise "The entire 44-volume set will be available in 2019—an unprecedented publication timetable for a commentary of this magnitude." is just beyond me to understand. It has been pointed out multiple times, but apparently anything can be stated on the website as long as customers are aware of Bob's caveat:
Bob Pritchett said:We'll continue to try and keep the dates current, but I'd encourage you to treat them all as our best estimate with what we know at the moment.
I still believe the product page is misleading as it is, which adds to the ongoing frustration about the ultra slow release of this series and the disappointing communication with customers who don't get what they thought they would get when they pulled the trigger and paid for the entire series upfront.
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Rusty Davidson said:
Hey Bob,
You may want to have someone update the Logos.com product page. The last paragraph says "The entire 44-volume set will be available in 2019..." The EEC page shows an October 1, 2020 date. You know how some of these forum users can be! It might reduce some of the disgruntled temperaments...or not!
I worked in Christian publishing for over 2 decades. I have watched many commentary set publication schedules come and go. None were ever close to first projections. I drug my feet about committing full price of the set way before the first title was on the horizon. I only made the plunge because of my trust in Bob and his commitment to the integrity of Logos and customer satisfaction. Since then, I usually don't even look at the projected dates. Just delighted when another title is released.
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Edwin Bowden said:
Since then, I usually don't even look at the projected dates. Just delighted when another title is released.
That's a great strategy that I also use.
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We received a similar question about the EEC in the Lexham Press forum earlier this week—here's our response there. It give a little more detail into the status of the two volumes we expect to ship at the end of this year with an additional note about future release dates.
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André Kamphuis said:
2016 is going to be an awesome year! Just have a look at the latest 2016 release dates on the product page:
Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016
Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016
William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016
Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release: August 1, 2016
Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016
Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016
Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016
Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016
Well, the sad news is that not a single volume will be published this year.... [:(]
If this happens with all estimated dates within only one year, what should we be expecting from titles scheduled to be released several years from now?
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André Kamphuis said:André Kamphuis said:
2016 is going to be an awesome year! Just have a look at the latest 2016 release dates on the product page:
Stanley Porter, Luke. Est. Release: June 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2022
Buist Fanning, Hebrews. Est. Release: June 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2020
Gary Yates, Hosea, Joel & Obadiah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2022
Kevin Warstler, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah. Est. Release: June 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2021
Dennis Cole, Numbers. Est. Release: July 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2021
Walter Kaiser, Jeremiah. Est. Release: July 1, 2016 NEW DATE JULY 2017
Mark Keown, Philippians. Est. Release: July 1, 2016 NEW DATE MARCH 2017
William Barrick, Genesis. Est. Release: August 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2022
Todd Beall, Isaiah. Est. Release: August 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2020
Robert Thomas, 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Est. Release: September 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2021
Mark Rooker, Ezekiel. Est Release: October 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2019
Michael Burer, Galatians. Est. Release: November 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2018
Dorian Coover-Cox e.a., Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Est Release: December 1, 2016 NEW DATE 2022
Well, the sad news is that not a single volume will be published this year....
If this happens with all estimated dates within only one year, what should we be expecting from titles scheduled to be released several years from now?
13 volumes were scheduled for release in 2016.
I have added the latest pub date from EEC page.
Not only did they not meet their publication date this year, but only 2 of those are now scheduled for release in 2017.
4 are not even estimated to be released for another 6 years!
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Way back in the 80's Thomas Nelson had a deal for the Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) a new commentary set. If you signed up to receive them as they were released, you received a discount. Granted I did not have to pay for them up front. Leap ahead many years and the set is still not complete, many volumes have been revised. And I wait for them patiently.
Maybe after the O'Brien incidents, either Faithlife or the individual authors are being extra cautious about citations. While the delays are disappointing, lets hope that the product will be better in the end.
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Really- these dates are ridiculous
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Wow, forget politics and celebrity deaths, this is the #1 reason 2016 was a doozy of a year! [:D]
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If we just changed the title of this thread from 2016 to 2017 it would all be fine. [;)]
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The thread creator could actually do that I believe... André are you still there?
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