New & Improved Logos Now Membership Program Coming Soon
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Logos Now now has a members-only page where you’ll find regularly updated discounts, offers, and more. If you’re a regular or even occasional Logos buyer, you may save enough in members-only discounts to more than pay for your annual membership.
Phil, I visited this page (https://www.logos.com/now-members) with the intent of seeing what kind of real-world discounts I might receive if I signed up for an annual membership. I can see the products that are listed, but as a non-member I am unable to see the discounts. Is this by design or is it an issue with the website? From a marketing perspective it seems like it would make sense to allow customers such as myself to see what specific discounts we might receive, as that may make the difference between whether we join on not.
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Matthew said:
I visited this page (https://www.logos.com/now-members) with the intent of seeing what kind of real-world discounts I might receive if I signed up for an annual membership. I can see the products that are listed, but as a non-member I am unable to see the discounts. Is this by design or is it an issue with the website?
I think it is by design - cut from your screenshot:
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Mark Barnes said:
In addition, even for me, this new deal means I get a 5% discount on Logos 7. I've no idea how much Logos 7 will cost me, but I know that Logos 6 cost me $1,910.14. If Logos 7 is similar, that 5% will be worth $95.50, which would mean that even if I received nothing but the discount, Logos Now really would pay for itself.
No details specifics in regards to this was promised to 'subscribers' but there was always a 'promise' that subscribers would get some sort of deal on Logos 7. So I dont' see this as new but simply confirmation of the shape of that promise. Now we jut have to wait and see the context of that 5% discount. In previous releases all customers were given a 15% discount, We have no idea what discount will be offered to all customers. If it were the current 10% they are offering on sales then that would only take us back to a %15 discount which is what we have always been offered, but if they go back to offering 15% to all and Now "Members" get 20% then yes that will be a good offer.
Mark Barnes said:I think you need to distinguishing between "nothing new" and "nothing new for me". As Phil has said repeatedly, people who don't own Logos 6 Gold or above will benefit significantly from this change. He's also said there are quite a few of those folk.
This does not change my perspective that as a long term long and reasonably strong supporter of this company (over 24,000 resources - not a huge library but not a small one either) there is really nothing new in this for me in this than a name change.
So Mark from my perspective I am simply giving honest feedback to Faithlife about what this means to me as to me as a customer and particularly as a now "member" so I do not see the need for people to tell me I am wrong for simply doing that.
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Joseph Turner said:
I understand doc, and I didn't mean to come across too strongly, but a lot of things could be jettisoned when it comes down to it. People get excited over sports, comic book movies, cars, etc..., and we could all take a break. I do get excited about the prospect of a larger library because I do a lot of research. Logos is one of my vices. Instead of a salesman, I have a dealer, lol.
I certainly hope that things have improved for you, and I will keep you in my prayers.
Thank you Joseph I know it is really difficult in this medium to know where a person is coming from or what is going on in their life outside of this medium and I am as guilty as anyone for not alway remembering that but I have always found that you come across with having the best intentions in what you say and try to treat people well. Your prayers are appreciated.
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
This does not change my perspective that as a long term long and reasonably strong supporter of this company (over 24,000 resources - not a huge library but not a small one either) there is really nothing new in this for me in this than a name change.
So Mark from my perspective I am simply giving honest feedback to Faithlife about what this means to me as to me as a customer and particularly as a now "member" so I do not see the need for people to tell me I am wrong for simply doing that.
I didn't say you were wrong - and I certainly didn't say you were wrong to give honest feedback to Faithlife. I simply suggested that your feedback might be more accurate if you said "nothing new for me" (as you did in this reply), rather than simply "nothing new" (as you did originally). I think it is helpful to keep Faithlife on their toes with regard to benefits for people like ourselves who have large libraries, but the more accurate we can be with that feedback, the better all round IMO.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
I hope there is more because that was once again a whole lot of marketing hype for a whole lot of nothing so far other than a change of terminology from subscription to membership.
That's not accurate. There's more than a change in terminology, as I outlined here and here.
Keep in mind that these changes we've rolled out may be far more meaningful to other customers, like those below Logos 6 Gold, or those using an earlier version of Logos, or those who want to get started with Logos and build their own library, or those who are regular buyers and would save enough in their existing spending to pay for the membership, or those planning on a large upgrade to Logos 7, or . . . .
The post on Friday was pretty lacking in hype. We did it as a courtesy to our customers who like advanced warning before we make changes (i.e., dropping the monthly option). It was an attempt at better communication.
Phil I am giving you open and honest feedback as to what this means to me as a strong,long term customer of this company so what I am saying is accurate from my perspective.
And this is something Faithlife is poor at recognizing - that often their offers don't actually have a lot in them for customers like myself and when we try to give such feedback certain elements of the forums try to shut us down and so the disconnect between us and Faithlife only grows. If you wanted to do something out of the box with this new program one idea is do something that Bob has refused to do for a long time and in his continual refusal to do so he gets offside international customers - offer a free digital subscription to Bible Study Magazine. For international customers postage costs more than the subscription to the magazine. The magazine is full of advertising that is never going to be interest to international customers and the really interesting content in the magazine is either rehashed on a Logos Blog or Logos Pro video at some point or is put into a Lexham Press books and then we are asked to pay for it a second time. So if you want to delight customers whom Bob has gotten offside in the past please seriously consider this idea. My subscription to this magazine is about to expire and I have cancelled it because of these reasons. It is simply not value for money in a print format for me. Print subscriptions should still be offered, maybe include a discount on print subscriptions for Now Members that still want that on top of a digital subscription. The only thing I would add is that it needs to be in Logos format, pdf is a waste of time, the magazine needs to be accessible and searchable within the Logos environment.
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The "new" Now- is no big deal- again hype- very disappointed.
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You asked about being credited for what you paid into the Logos Now.
If we just look back at what Logos gave us access to over the last year, I counted three different Mobile Ed class, most times 50 % discount on the monthly resources if we wanted to buy them, as well as being able to use the new features and data sets. Plus we will get a 5% discount added off Logos 7 when it is released.
I don't know about you but my $89.99 has been many times repaid in full because of having Logos Now.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
The "new" Now- is no big deal- again hype- very disappointed.
I agree that not too much has changed ultimately in terms of what we have now, but having the information concerning what will happen at the release of L7 is good. If they had been release at the same time, it would have caused a great deal of confusion which would have bogged down the L7 release. I still maintain that L7 will be released sooner than later, and they had to get this information out first.
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NB.Mick said:
I think it is by design - cut from your screenshot
(Facepalm) Thanks. That's what I get for looking at this stuff in the middle of the night. I missed the fine print. Still, I maintain it would be helpful for prospective members to be able to actually see what sorts of discounts are offered each month.
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Matthew said:
Still, I maintain it would be helpful for prospective members to be able to actually see what sorts of discounts are offered each month.
The discounts seem to range from 10% to 25%. There are couple of multi-volume resources where the discount is higher but I suspect my dynamic pricing is causing a distortion in these cases.
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Yasmin Stephen said:
The discounts seem to range from 10% to 25%.
Thank you. Having the actual numbers to work with is helpful. I don't understand why Faithlife wouldn't want its customers to see the specifics of what they are missing out on by not joining.
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So, to summarize: I become a Logos Now member now and pretty much I start using Logos 7's features now (along with the features I already own from L6), the only thing I don't get yet is the new books that come in a Base Package, which I would have to purchase if I want those - Is that correct?
Next: If I don't become a member and just upgrade to L7 when it comes out, I will get L7's new features plus new books, but will lose L6's features since L7's features will replace them - is that accurate?
Finally, but if I want both L6's and L7's features, then I must become a member - is this right?
Thanks!
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Yasmin Stephen said:Matthew said:
Still, I maintain it would be helpful for prospective members to be able to actually see what sorts of discounts are offered each month.
The discounts seem to range from 10% to 25%. There are couple of multi-volume resources where the discount is higher but I suspect my dynamic pricing is causing a distortion in these cases.
I have academic discount status so maybe there is some difference there, but I am seeing 10% to 45% discounts on resourced offered under the program. The Mobile Ed courses on your screen shot are discounted 40%. Just buying one of them would pay for your annual membership.
This seems to be a very good value to me.
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Steve said:
The Mobile Ed courses on your screen shot are discounted 40%.
40%! Very nice. It's 20% for me, so academic pricing is most likely at play.
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Yasmin Stephen said:Steve said:
The Mobile Ed courses on your screen shot are discounted 40%.
40%! Very nice. It's 20% for me, so academic pricing is most likely at play.
I should have clicked through and double checked ... you are correct, Mobile Ed Academic Discount pricing. My apologies for getting hopes up for others.
Still, at 20%, if you were to buy one of them and a few other resources (depending on price and discount) I can see easily making up the membership fee and then some over the course of the year.
Still a good value in my view if only of the resource discounts.
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I do not see this as a vast improvement for me since I already have logos reformed Protfolio, baptist diamond, and Platinum standard. This could be very beneficial for some of my pastor friends who do not have this many resources and seminaries. Great program and a vast improvement on Logos Now, just not a huge improvement for me.
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Matthew said:
I don't understand why Faithlife wouldn't want its customers to see the specifics
I don't know for sure, but sometimes you're stuck both ways. For example: If they DID list the prices, those without a membership would claim that the resource was being offered at a discount and they didn't receive it.
I used to work at a drug store in high school. We sold sunglasses "50% MSRP" and "prices as marked." The glasses were labeled with things like "Suggested Retail Price $20" and we would have a sticker listing the glasses for $10. Did that stop people from demanding the glasses at $5? Nope.
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Ken McGuire said:
The thing is that in the old way, you can get the new features with the Features Crossgrade. You didn't need to upgrade your base package. Looking at the price for the current Features Crossgrade, it looks very comparable with a Logos Now subscription - probably by design. However, I know I paid a lot less than the listed price because of Dynamic pricing. On the other hand, I didn't get the future cookies with that
So it is yet another option to consider when Logos 7 comes out - and more choice is not usually a bad thing.
With the old way the full crossgrade was $500 for me, but my Platinum Upgrade, which included new features and books, cost me the same, so I got more for the same price. So I'm not sure Crossgrading alone was better.
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DAL said:
So, to summarize: I become a Logos Now member now and pretty much I start using Logos 7's features now (along with the features I already own from L6), the only thing I don't get yet is the new books that come in a Base Package, which I would have to purchase if I want those - Is that correct?
Next: If I don't become a member and just upgrade to L7 when it comes out, I will get L7's new features plus new books, but will lose L6's features since L7's features will replace them - is that accurate?
Finally, but if I want both L6's and L7's features, then I must become a member - is this right?
Thanks!
DAL
I dont understand? I'm in a similar situation. I have L6 Diamond and lots of L6 demonational packages. I dont have Now. I dont see a lot of value to me. So why woudl i lose L6 stuff If I just buy a L7 base package ???
DAL -- I dont get the losing L6 part? if I dont get Now.
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Travis Walter said:DAL said:
So, to summarize: I become a Logos Now member now and pretty much I start using Logos 7's features now (along with the features I already own from L6), the only thing I don't get yet is the new books that come in a Base Package, which I would have to purchase if I want those - Is that correct?
Next: If I don't become a member and just upgrade to L7 when it comes out, I will get L7's new features plus new books, but will lose L6's features since L7's features will replace them - is that accurate?
Finally, but if I want both L6's and L7's features, then I must become a member - is this right?
Thanks!
DAL
I dont understand? I'm in a similar situation. I have L6 Diamond and lots of L6 demonational packages. I dont have Now. I dont see a lot of value to me. So why woudl i lose L6 stuff If I just buy a L7 base package ???
DAL -- I dont get the losing L6 part? if I dont get Now.
Mark Barnes corrected my wrong assumption. You won't lose anything.
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ok so seems ill keep my usual upgrade path. L7 Now seems to not be a value for me
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Travis Walter said:
ok so seems ill keep my usual upgrade path. L7 Now seems to not be a value for me
For clarification, there isn't an "L7 Now." It is just "Now."
Is there value for you? It depends on if you want to own the features / datasets or not. The Now route is certainly cheaper, plus you gain new features up to 2 years early.
For myself, I have no problems with "renting" features... but I want to "own" my books.
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My two cents:
1. Logos Now as a continuous revenue stream doesn't seem to be working out in regards to the monthly users. I myself tried it for a couple of months, but didn't find it to be worthwhile.
2. As a longtime user with several base packages over the years, this doesn't seem to be something that interests me, for many of the same reasons others have stated. I'll stick with the crossgrade when it comes out, with a slight chance of picking up another base package.
3. Mobile Ed is of zero interest to me when nearly the same thing is offered all over the internet for free. Thus 40% off as an incentive to join is moot.
4. Resource preview would be much more effective if there were an option for tradition, much like there is for base packages, ie. Reformed, Baptist. etc.
5. The discounts thus offered for Logos Now have not been worthwhile to me to warrant a full subscription price.
6. A 5% discount on the upcoming base package is only worthwhile if I bought one at full price. With dynamic pricing it would not be worth it.
7. If I am correct, I would say that this Logos Now is much more directed at newer users and increasing revenue via them. For those of us who are seasoned, and invested already, in Logos, there is little to warrant it.
Just my humble opinion.
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Apparently, I am not the target audience for Logos Now. I just don't feel a need for "new features" beyond L6, I am happy with the features that I have now. Also, I have too many monthly / yearly subscriptions already, and I do not want another.
If I even upgrade to L7, when it comes, it will not be for new features. Rather, I might upgrade if it makes the present features faster or better. I might upgrade to get the new books available in an upgrade package. Books I will buy, new features, not so much. Perhaps they will come out with a feature that I haven't imagined I need, and I will just have to have it. But I haven't imagined it yet.
However, I wish "Logos Now" great success, and hope those who are interested receive great benefit from it.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
The post on Friday was pretty lacking in hype. We did it as a courtesy to our customers who like advanced warning before we make changes (i.e., dropping the monthly option). It was an attempt at better communication.
I'm glad you did it. Thank you. It was a successful attempt at better communication. And I signed up for a free month of Verbum Now because of it. This increased the chance that I will pay for a year of it. Please keep up the good work!
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Matthew said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Logos Now now has a members-only page where you’ll find regularly updated discounts, offers, and more. If you’re a regular or even occasional Logos buyer, you may save enough in members-only discounts to more than pay for your annual membership.
Phil, I visited this page (https://www.logos.com/now-members) with the intent of seeing what kind of real-world discounts I might receive if I signed up for an annual membership. I can see the products that are listed, but as a non-member I am unable to see the discounts. Is this by design or is it an issue with the website? From a marketing perspective it seems like it would make sense to allow customers such as myself to see what specific discounts we might receive, as that may make the difference between whether we join on not.
It's a technical limitation for now. We can't dynamically generate a dynamic pricing plus a membership discount that you don't qualify for yet. We're working on a solution.
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
And this is something Faithlife is poor at recognizing - that often their offers don't actually have a lot in them for customers like myself
Thanks for the feedback. It's challenging to build the ideal solution for so many customers with diverse interests. The relaunch of Logos Now was motivated by a desire to serve more people, and it seems like it will succeed at that—even if it's not presently what everyone would like to see.
Disciple of Christ (doc) said:offer a free digital subscription to Bible Study Magazine
We're evaluating this again. No promises, but it is a possibility.
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Matthew said:NB.Mick said:
I think it is by design - cut from your screenshot
(Facepalm) Thanks. That's what I get for looking at this stuff in the middle of the night. I missed the fine print. Still, I maintain it would be helpful for prospective members to be able to actually see what sorts of discounts are offered each month.
Agreed. We hope to address this in the future.
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SineNomine said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
The post on Friday was pretty lacking in hype. We did it as a courtesy to our customers who like advanced warning before we make changes (i.e., dropping the monthly option). It was an attempt at better communication.
I'm glad you did it. Thank you. It was a successful attempt at better communication. And I signed up for a free month of Verbum Now because of it. This increased the chance that I will pay for a year of it. Please keep up the good work!
Thanks for the encouragement.
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I think the membership model is a step in the right direction. I got a free year of Verbum Now for upgrading base packages back around Christmas time and the new features, while nice, are not something I'd generally pay a recurring fee for. Throwing in the temporary licenses on books each month has been nice. And with the promise of discounts on resources, I see the value increasing.
I'm sure it's a work in progress that will always receive some tweaking (just like Amazon Prime). I believe that Faithlife truly does want us customers to perceive a great value in the program such that we happily join. So I have little doubt they will continue to hone the program in the months and years to come. I look forward to seeing where it goes.
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Am I missing something because other doing away with the monthly subscription I don't much difference. Please explain!0
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I would love a new feature to be major improved speed and performance!0
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:SineNomine said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
The post on Friday was pretty lacking in hype. We did it as a courtesy to our customers who like advanced warning before we make changes (i.e., dropping the monthly option). It was an attempt at better communication.
I'm glad you did it. Thank you. It was a successful attempt at better communication. And I signed up for a free month of Verbum Now because of it. This increased the chance that I will pay for a year of it. Please keep up the good work!
Thanks for the encouragement.
I'm liking the upgrade as well. Looking forward to the potential for Verbum audience-specific resource enhancements.
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Am I missing something because other doing away with the monthly subscription I don't much difference. Please explain!
The big change is that instead of just including features from the forthcoming Logos 7, it now includes all the features and datasets from Logos 6 (and therefore Logos 4 and 5, too). It allows people who want to use referent data or interlinears or just about anything else to use those features without needing to buy a base package.
For non-base package owners, that's huge. For the rest of us, it means we'll never need to buy a crossgrade so long as we have a Logos Now membership.
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I like it too. I'm just hoping they include the ability to download media for offline use
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Mark Barnes said:Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Am I missing something because other doing away with the monthly subscription I don't much difference. Please explain!
The big change is that instead of just including features from the forthcoming Logos 7, it now includes all the features and datasets from Logos 6 (and therefore Logos 4 and 5, too). It allows people who want to use referent data or interlinears or just about anything else to use those features without needing to buy a base package.
For non-base package owners, that's huge. For the rest of us, it means we'll never need to buy a crossgrade so long as we have a Logos Now membership.
All good points. A question I would ask Logos in light of this: why keep the release date of Logos 7 secret anymore? It doesn't make sense in light of the new membership program. Just give people a rough idea of the month/year that they anticipate the next release. That would provide some planning for those who will be making book purchases, etc. And, since we already have all the functionality, there is nothing to anticipate (other than new library bundles). Thoughts?
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JH said:Mark Barnes said:Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Am I missing something because other doing away with the monthly subscription I don't much difference. Please explain!
The big change is that instead of just including features from the forthcoming Logos 7, it now includes all the features and datasets from Logos 6 (and therefore Logos 4 and 5, too). It allows people who want to use referent data or interlinears or just about anything else to use those features without needing to buy a base package.
For non-base package owners, that's huge. For the rest of us, it means we'll never need to buy a crossgrade so long as we have a Logos Now membership.
All good points. A question I would ask Logos in light of this: why keep the release date of Logos 7 secret anymore? It doesn't make sense in light of the new membership program. Just give people a rough idea of the month/year that they anticipate the next release. That would provide some planning for those who will be making book purchases, etc. And, since we already have all the functionality, there is nothing to anticipate (other than new library bundles). Thoughts?
My guess on the release date matter is that, once Faithlife publicly states the release date, they will be locked into and pretty much obligated to release L7 on (or before) that date. If they have things to work out, it is better not to publicize the release date yet. It is easier to accept a prolonged release date than to accept a release date in which a product is not delivered.
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:JH said:Mark Barnes said:Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Am I missing something because other doing away with the monthly subscription I don't much difference. Please explain!
The big change is that instead of just including features from the forthcoming Logos 7, it now includes all the features and datasets from Logos 6 (and therefore Logos 4 and 5, too). It allows people who want to use referent data or interlinears or just about anything else to use those features without needing to buy a base package.
For non-base package owners, that's huge. For the rest of us, it means we'll never need to buy a crossgrade so long as we have a Logos Now membership.
All good points. A question I would ask Logos in light of this: why keep the release date of Logos 7 secret anymore? It doesn't make sense in light of the new membership program. Just give people a rough idea of the month/year that they anticipate the next release. That would provide some planning for those who will be making book purchases, etc. And, since we already have all the functionality, there is nothing to anticipate (other than new library bundles). Thoughts?
My guess on the release date matter is that, once Faithlife publicly states the release date, they will be locked into and pretty much obligated to release L7 on (or before) that date. If they have things to work out, it is better not to publicize the release date yet. It is easier to accept a prolonged release date than to accept a release date in which a product is not delivered.
I understand that reasoning. I'm talking about once Faithlife has decided on a release date (everything is locked in and ready) and all they have to do is build their advertising and update their webpages. At that point, they could easily give advanced notice ("Coming in two weeks", etc). I don't see the point once they decide to pull the trigger to keep it a surprise.
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JH said:Erwin Stull, Sr. said:JH said:Mark Barnes said:Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Am I missing something because other doing away with the monthly subscription I don't much difference. Please explain!
The big change is that instead of just including features from the forthcoming Logos 7, it now includes all the features and datasets from Logos 6 (and therefore Logos 4 and 5, too). It allows people who want to use referent data or interlinears or just about anything else to use those features without needing to buy a base package.
For non-base package owners, that's huge. For the rest of us, it means we'll never need to buy a crossgrade so long as we have a Logos Now membership.
All good points. A question I would ask Logos in light of this: why keep the release date of Logos 7 secret anymore? It doesn't make sense in light of the new membership program. Just give people a rough idea of the month/year that they anticipate the next release. That would provide some planning for those who will be making book purchases, etc. And, since we already have all the functionality, there is nothing to anticipate (other than new library bundles). Thoughts?
My guess on the release date matter is that, once Faithlife publicly states the release date, they will be locked into and pretty much obligated to release L7 on (or before) that date. If they have things to work out, it is better not to publicize the release date yet. It is easier to accept a prolonged release date than to accept a release date in which a product is not delivered.
I understand that reasoning. I'm talking about once Faithlife has decided on a release date (everything is locked in and ready) and all they have to do is build their advertising and update their webpages. At that point, they could easily give advanced notice ("Coming in two weeks", etc). I don't see the point once they decide to pull the trigger to keep it a surprise.
In that respect, I agree. Can't see any reason to keep it secret. [:)]
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
Can't see any reason to keep it secret.
How 'bout to keep the forums from going nuts speculating about price, features, package contents ...
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Travis Walter said:
ok so seems ill keep my usual upgrade path. L7 Now seems to not be a value for me
Well, according to hypothetical numbers, you subscribe now and later when you upgrade it'll be cheaper. You'll enjoy L6 and L7 features right now and when the actual L7 Base Packages come out, you'll get a 5% discount on top of the introductory discount. This could be for a full features and books base package or just the books in the new L7 package. This may not seem that much, but if you have features for $89 and books for $250 ($339 total) instead of "features and books" for $500, that's a lot of savings (Total of $161 savings). If you want to own the features later on, then you can purchase them dynamically priced, which will still give you savings on top of the other exclusive savings you will get and the free previews and all. Doesn't seem so bad. So I might just become a member now and save later, even if I don't renew after my first year, the only thing I'll lose after that will be the new features that will roll out with L8 and the exclusive discounts and so on.
If I'm wrong in something, please, correct me. Because this is what I'm understanding to be the case and that's why I'm in the verge of hitting click on the "place order" button.
Oh, did I mention that your first year could be even CHEAPER with the NSBT coupon code you get. It could be $15-$50 bucks off, so it's worth the try for a year and get the new books from L7 at a discount when it comes out.
G'night!
DAL
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MJ. Smith said:Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
Can't see any reason to keep it secret.
How 'bout to keep the forums from going nuts speculating about price, features, package contents ...
The forums may already be going nuts in anticipation. There may not be a winning course of action either way, and I guess that the winning move in the game is to not move (a corrupted quote from War Games). [:)]
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To heck with it! I joined for $74.99 my first year using my NSBT $15 bucks off coupon for buying 12 volumes of the NSBT series (actually 13, 1 last minute one hehe). Well, now, let's explore the new features "Syncronization in progress" haha!
DAL
Edit: A few minutes later, download complete. It's now indexing! Cool!
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Dal,
You've fallen into their marketing trick [:P]
Anyway, I feel like Logos is testing the waters with this before releasing L7, especially with perks they promises. Looking for feedback and inputs from users like us, then perhaps they'll change their initial plan in their board meeting after seeing the results.
This LN program is really trying to get (bait/fish) people that never get/own the base package to buy something more...Also, on the other hand it is also for certain people (compulsive buyers) who will buy everything Logos offers with anything that starts with a "good discount". (And for people who says 5% is a good discount, let me say Logos is not a fool, they can raise their price 10% overall so they'll still gain profit after the 5% discount they give you, and at the end they make even more profit by giving you 5%.. This is a normal bait-practice in retail, raising the price before the discount)
My 2 cents from a different perspective.
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mike said:
Dal,
You've fallen into their marketing trick
Anyway, I feel like Logos is testing the waters with this before releasing L7, especially with perks they promises. Looking for feedback and inputs from users like us, then perhaps they'll change their initial plan in their board meeting after seeing the results.
This LN program is really trying to get (bait/fish) people that never get the base package to buy something more..Also, on the other hand it is for certain people who are compulsive buyers who will buy everything Logos offers with anything that starts with a "good discount". (for people who says 5% is a good discount, let me say Logos is not a fool, they can raise their price 10% overall so they'll still gain profit after the 5% discount they give you, and at the end they make even more profit by giving you 5%.. This is a normal bait-practice in retail, raising the price before the discount)
My 2 cents from a different perspective.
Oh well, at least I'm running L7's features right now, all I need is for the new books to come out to upgrade 😉👌🤘👍
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
In that respect, I agree. Can't see any reason to keep it secret.
The further out that they announce the release date, the quicker normal resource sells dry up because people are anticipating spending a large amount of money in the near future. Right now, people are not 100% sure, so if there is a resource they want, they are more likely to go ahead and buy it.
If, today, Faithlife announced a release date of August 30th, sales would almost dry up for the next few weeks. So, I think it is in Faithlife's best interest not to announce a release date.
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Sales is expected to dry a month or two before the cycle release. That's quite normal. Just like when people are expecting the new line of iPhone/Samsung Galaxy to come out, the current iPhone/Galaxy sales would drop. (Who would in their right mind buy an iPhone 6s on September when iPhone 7 is coming out in couple months or so)
So anyone here in the right mind (I hope & suggest) would hold their money 'till L7 base packages... of course unless they need it right now-right now.
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mike said:
So anyone here in the right mind (I hope & suggest) would hold their money 'till L7 base packages... of course unless they need it right now-right now.
With iPhones, we know the release date and know better than to buy a 6 when the 7 is about to be released. I'm sure that iPhone sales drop when the new version's sales date is announced. Faithlife doesn't want this income loss, therefore keeping release dates secret. We don't know when Logos 7 will be released. A lot of people here were convinced that it was going to be last Monday. I'm thinking October/ early November but the reality is, none of us truly know. If we stop buying now, we might be waiting another year or it might be tomorrow. We just have our guesses.
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mike said:
Who would in their right mind buy an iPhone 6s on September when iPhone 7 is coming out in couple months or so
I would! Well, technically it was a Samsung Note 5. I just picked it less than two weeks ago knowing that the Note 7 will be out by the end of the month (there was no 6 - Samsung jumped straight from 5 to 7). Best Buy wanted to clear out the old stock, so I was able to get a Note 5 for $1 (whereas it would have cost me $349 for the Note 7). Maybe Faithlife will offer a similar discount of more than 99% off Logos 6 base packages to pave the way for Logos 7 [:D][:D][:D]
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