How do I find the page number of a digital resource for citation purposes?
I need to be able to put a page number after a citation, and I can't find them. Specifically, I'm currently looking at the Expositor's Bible Commentary, but I have this problem often where I can't find a page number. My last professor gave me a hard time about not putting page numbers after my citations.
Thanks for your help.
Cynthia
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Cynthia in Florida said:
I need to be able to put a page number after a citation, and I can't find them. Specifically, I'm currently looking at the Expositor's Bible Commentary, but I have this problem often where I can't find a page number.
Not all resources have page numbers. Typically Logos editions do, whereas Vyrso editions do not. If the resource DOES have page numbers, there are two ways to determine the page. First. there is a box with the page number(s) displayed (see red arrow). Secondly, you can turn on the page number visual filter and see where the page breaks are located (see green annotations).
For resources which don't have page numbers, you can use your style guide to determine how to appropriately cite the resource location. The use of logosres might work.
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Hi Cynthia:
If the resource doesn't have page numbers, and page numbers are absolutely non-negotiable with your teacher/institution, you could try one more thing. Search books.google.com to see if your title is available. If it is, the summary page has a search box; search on your estimate of the most unique phrase in the section. The search result(s) should display the page number(s).
[Edit : Obviously I misunderstood the problem, i.e., I thought the resource had no page numbers tagged. Sorry to further cloud up a struggling thread.]
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Robert M. Warren said:
If the resource doesn't have page numbers, and page numbers are absolutely non-negotiable with your teacher/institution, you could try one more thing. Search books.google.com to see if your title is available. If it is, the summary page has a search box; search on your estimate of the most unique phrase in the section. The search result(s) should display the page number(s).
The same idea could work with the search function in Amazon.com
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Cynthia in Florida said:
My last professor gave me a hard time about not putting page numbers after my citations.
An open discussion, in class, about e-versions lack of page numbers might help especially if the discussion is requested the day after one discovers that the resource does not have page numbers rather then just before the paper is due [[when you knew that there were no page numbers months before]]
What if [[not sure this will work but]] :
The e-version of this of this work that I used does not have page numbers but the item that I quoted is in the xxx-number paragraph after the heading "XXXXXXXXX - heading text". It is yyy-number paragraph before the "YYYYYYY - heading text. It is in chapter nnnn-chapter number. The unique search string to find this reference is "sldkflhmd lsdhf kd" [[inserting the needed numbers and text]]
[[If the author has sub chapter numbers or headings maybe also reference the textual in distance paragraphs from them??]]
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Cynthia,
If you copy the desired text and paste it into MS Word it automatically includes a footnote (with the page number). IMO this is the easiest way to determine the page numbers while also citing your source. Just make sure that you choose the appropriate citation style in the program settings.
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Lynden and Alabama! Thanks so much! That worked!!!!
Cynthia
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Chris: That's a great tip! Thanks so much!
Cynthia
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Okay, Chris...I tried that by exporting it to a word document and it said it was on Page one, but it's really on page 445. I have my style set already to Turabian. What am I doing wrong?
Cynthia
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David...I'm not sure why you assumed my paper is due tomorrow. It's not. Actually, I just got started on it since class just started back up so I thought I'd ask here BEFORE I find myself in a pinch. As for the rest of your post, I'm assuming you are having a bad day and felt the need to be sarcastic. Hope your day turns around.
By hey, thanks for the encouragement![:S]
Cynthia
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Cynthia in Florida said:
.I tried that by exporting it to a word document and it said it was on Page one, but it's really on page 445.
If you don't mind, can you share the resource that you are trying to copy from? It would be helpful for troubleshooting. If I have the same resource, I can try it. Every time that I have used it, the proper page number is displayed automatically.
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Thanks so much for your offer to help. As referenced above, I'm using the Expository Bible Commentary, John and Acts. I think it's listed as Volume 9 in the series.
Cynthia
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This is what I get copying text to Notepad:
Philip’s preaching has been defined in v. 5 as being a proclamation of “the Messiah” (ton Christon), with its content further specified in v. 12 as being “the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ.”
Longenecker, R. N. (1981). The Acts of the Apostles. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: John and Acts (Vol. 9, p. 357). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.
From Caesarea, Paul “went up” to Jerusalem, some sixty-five miles southeast. That the name “Jerusalem” does not appear in the text has led some to suppose Luke meant only that Paul went up from the harbor at Caesarea into the city to greet the congregation there.
Longenecker, R. N. (1981). The Acts of the Apostles. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: John and Acts (Vol. 9, p. 489). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.
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Hmmm, I was told to copy it to a word document. Let me try Notepad and see what happens.
Cynthia
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Cynthia in Florida said:
By hey, thanks for the encouragement!
We need to get the discussion started on what to do when all of the information needed for a citation is not available.
Did not MEAN to be sarcastic but my granddaughter, age 12, says that I do that regularly.
[My original version had the 'suggestion' at the end.]
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12 Luke’s reference to the silence of the assembly after Peter spoke implies that the turning point had come. Though resisted at Jerusalem for almost a decade, the precedent of Cornelius’s conversion had opened the way for Barnabas and Paul’s report of God’s validation of their missionary policy through “miraculous signs and wonders” (sēmeia kai terata). It was a report not of their successes but of how God had acted, and its implication was that by his acts God had revealed his will. As at Lystra, where Barnabas was taken to be the greater of the two (cf. 14:12, 14), so here Barnabas is mentioned first (cf. also v. 25), probably because he enjoyed greater confidence at Jerusalem
Gaebelein, F. E., Tenney, M. C., & Longenecker, R. N. (1981). The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: John and Acts (Vol. 9). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.
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This is what I got on Acts 15:12 commentary.
Gaebelein, F. E., Tenney, M. C., & Longenecker, R. N. (1981). The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: John and Acts (Vol. 9). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.
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I have my citation style style set to Turabian. What style do you have yours set to?
Cynthia
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Thanks so much for your offer to help. As referenced above, I'm using the Expository Bible Commentary, John and Acts. I think it's listed as Volume 9 in the series.
Whoops! Sorry, I'm guilty of not reading the entire thread.
It is working fine on my end and apparently Robert's too. I'm guessing that there may be an index issue. There is a way to reindex single resources in the command box but I'm not exactly sure what to type. Hopefully, someone will be able to tell us soon. Sorry again.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
I have my citation style style set to Turabian. What style do you have yours set to?
Turabian:
Richard N. Longenecker, “The Acts of the Apostles,” in The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: John and Acts, ed. Frank E. Gaebelein, vol. 9 (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 1981), 445.
APA Style (6th Edition):
Longenecker, R. N. (1981). The Acts of the Apostles. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: John and Acts (Vol. 9, p. 445). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.
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Okay, I'm officially stumped!!
Cynthia
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One more thing. How do you do copy? Maybe that's the issue. Are you highlighting, going to print/export, exporting to word?
Cynthia
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I think you may need to provide step by step directions with explicit details. Screen shots might be instructive too.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Okay, I'm officially stumped!!
I think it may be an indexing problem. There is a way to reindex a single resource but I'm not sure what to type into the command box. Hopefully, someone will be able to explain how to do that.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Are you highlighting, going to print/export, exporting to word?
No! [:)]
Right click, make sure the "selection" tab is selected (EDIT: top tab, right side), click "copy" (EDIT: top choice, left side). Does that fix things?
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Cynthia in Florida said:
One more thing. How do you do copy? Maybe that's the issue. Are you highlighting, going to print/export, exporting to word?
I highlight, right click and make sure that "Selection" is selected and then copy.
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Right click on the section I want to quote?
Also, my selection tab is top tab, right side. Copy is on the left side for me.
Cynthia
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Rick, when I do that exact same thing, I get the text of the resource but no citation at all!
Cynthia
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Right click on the section I want to quote?
- Select the text (which is why you make sure the "selection" tab is selected in step 3)
- Right click
- Make sure the "selection" tab is selected (top right... I misspoke earlier... I'll change that for posterity [:)])
- Click "copy" (upper left hand side)
- Right click in Word
- Choose "paste"
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Yup, step by step that's exactly what I do, and I get NO citation at all.
Cynthia
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Yup, step by step that's exactly what I do, and I get NO citation at all.
OK. Then we need more info. What specific OS? What specific version of Word?
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Would "copy location as..." have anything to do with it? My is defaulted to URL.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Rick, when I do that exact same thing, I get the text of the resource but no citation at all!
That is strange. In the following example:
1. I opened Expositor's to page 445.
2. I left clicked, dragged and highlighted the 7-11 paragraph.
3. Once the whole area was highlighted, I right clicked, ensured "Selection" was chosen and the clicked "Copy"
4. I pasted into Microsoft Word and this is the footnoe in APA Style:
[1] Longenecker, R. N. (1981). The Acts of the Apostles. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: John and Acts (Vol. 9, pp. 444–445). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Would "copy location as..." have anything to do with it? My is defaulted to URL.
Are you clicking the location in this picture? If so, this is NOT what you want to do. It would be a right click on the text itself.
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Okay, I went over to my PC and it does the same thing there.
My PC operates Windows 7, Word 2010
My Mac operate OS X Yosemite, Word for Mac 2016
It's gotta be my Logos, but I did what you said step by step and it doesn't give my any citation at all.
Cynthia
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Rick, No, I'm not doing that. I'm doing the steps above by Alabama. I was just shooting in the dark with the question above.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
One more thing. How do you do copy? Maybe that's the issue. Are you highlighting, going to print/export, exporting to word?
Highlight the text
Then ctr-C
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Cynthia in Florida said:
It's gotta be my Logos, but I did what you said step by step and it doesn't give my any citation at all.
I'm on Windows. Open your program settings and ensure that "Copy Citations" is turned on. If it is not, turn it on and give it another shot. [:)]
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Rick said:Cynthia in Florida said:
It's gotta be my Logos, but I did what you said step by step and it doesn't give my any citation at all.
I'm on Windows. Open your program settings and ensure that "Copy Citations" is turned on. If it is not, turn it on and give it another shot.
RICK! IF YOU WERE HERE, I'D KISS YOU!!!
Woohoo! It's working! Thank you so much, and thanks to all who helped!!!
I'm doing the happy dance!
Cynthia
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These are the settings for this individual resource. You'll want to open your "Program Settings".
Click "Tools" at the top of your home page and then "Program Settings"
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Woohoo! It's working! Thank you so much, and thanks to all who helped!!!
I'm doing the happy dance!
YAY!!!
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Rick said:
These are the settings for this individual resource. You'll want to open your "Program Settings".
Click "Tools" at the top of your home page and then "Program Settings"
Wonderful! I went in and fixed the program settings now. Thanks so very much! I'm so appreciative of all the time you and the others took to help me figure this out. This is really going to help me a lot with my papers!
Cynthia
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Also, it is usually advisable to indicate that you are using an electronic edition of published work. I found when using several resources in Logos the page numbers were a bit different than the physical book when writing my dissertation. Indicating that you are using Logos Bible Software edition is a good way to head off any potential troubles. (The Turabian Handbook gives good guidance on how to do this properly. Check out 17.1.10 Online and Other Electronic Books.)
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Aaron Baldridge said:
Also, it is usually advisable to indicate that you are using an electronic edition of published work. I found when using several resources in Logos the page numbers were a bit different than the physical book when writing my dissertation. Indicating that you are using Logos Bible Software edition is a good way to head off any potential troubles. (The Turabian Handbook gives good guidance on how to do this properly. Check out 17.1.10 Online and Other Electronic Books.)
Aaron: Great advise! Thanks!
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