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Floyd Johnson

I am trying to find all the scripture references where "God" is referred to as "Father". I tried

"Father <person God>"

But come up with too many human fathers connected with God. I also tried

but this is apparently not a valid search. Any other hints would be appreciated.

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MJ. Smith

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839561#Comment_839561

Thanks, M J.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

I am trying to find all the scripture references where "God" is referred to as "Father". I tried

"Father <person God>"

<Person God> ANDEQUALS Father

Keep Smiling [:)]

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839577#Comment_839577

Thanks KS4J

This does seem to give a great many false positives, for example:

Fr Devin Roza

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839577#Comment_839577

<Person God> ANDEQUALS Father

Keep Smiling

That search is good, but not quite there. For example, it misses Matthew 6:1, which the Factbook correctly hits.

I think I devised a search that gets everything, and even improves a bit on the Factbook "Referred to as" list:

<Lemma = lbs/el/πατήρ> ANDEQUALS Father WITHIN 0 WORDS <Person God>

This gets all the Factbook passages, and it also returns a good number of passages that should be in the Factbook with God referred to as Father, but aren't:

Mt 6:14, 26; 12:50; 15:13; 16:17; 18:14, 19, 35; 23:9; Mk 14:36; Lk 11:13; 22:29; 24:49; Jn 5:37; 6:44; 8:16, 18, 41, 42; 12:49; 17:11, 25; Ro 1:7; 8:15; 1 Co 1:3; 2 Co 1:2; Ga 1:1, 3, 4; 4:6; Php 2:11

Note that "Match all word forms" is off, to avoid a couple of hits that have "fathers" or something like that with incorrect tagging of <Person God>.

BTW - Notice how this search reflects recommended practice for using ANDEQUALS and WITHIN 0 WORDS. ANDEQUALS is good for finding how a word is translated, but practically for nothing else. So, here I use it to limit Father to the Greek pater. Then, WITHIN 0 WORDS is used for finding other data that overlays words, like Factbook entries.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839591#Comment_839591

I think I devised a search that gets everything, and even improves a bit on the Factbook "Referred to as" list:

Thanks for this Fr Roza.

This does a decent job of finding NT passages - are there no OT passages?

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839594#Comment_839594

This does a decent job of finding NT passages - are there no OT passages?

The search is based on a Greek lemma so won't match anything in the Hebrew Bible.

Fr Devin Roza

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839594#Comment_839594

I think I devised a search that gets everything, and even improves a bit on the Factbook "Referred to as" list:

Thanks for this Fr Roza.

This does a decent job of finding NT passages - are there no OT passages?

Here's a good one for the OT:

Interestingly it doesn't work for the NT.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839595#Comment_839595

The search is based on a Greek lemma so won't match anything in the Hebrew Bible.

This I understand, my original question was not meant to be limited to the NT. Are there any OT passages where Father is used to refer to God?

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839598#Comment_839598

Thanks Fr Roza - saw your reply after posting my reply to Graham

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839591#Comment_839591

<Lemma = lbs/el/πατήρ> ANDEQUALS Father WITHIN 0 WORDS <Person God>

Note that "Match all word forms" is off, to avoid a couple of hits that have "fathers" or something like that with incorrect tagging of <Person God>.

If I understand things correctly, Acts 22:14 is not an incorrect tagging of <Person God>. Rather, the entire phrase "God of our fathers" is tagged as <Person God>, and therefore will return a hit if you have "Match all word forms" turned on.

In addition, I didn't check all the results listed above, but for at least the first few, Factbook does list those verse, but they are under "heavenly father" not "father" since that's the complete phrase that is used.

Andrew Batishko

Here's another possible search for consideration:

{Section <Culture God as father>}

Fr Devin Roza

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839600#Comment_839600

<Lemma = lbs/el/πατήρ> ANDEQUALS Father WITHIN 0 WORDS <Person God>

Note that "Match all word forms" is off, to avoid a couple of hits that have "fathers" or something like that with incorrect tagging of <Person God>.

If I understand things correctly, Acts 22:14 is not an incorrect tagging of <Person God>. Rather, the entire phrase "God of our fathers" is tagged as <Person God>, and therefore will return a hit if you have "Match all word forms" turned on.

In addition, I didn't check all the results listed above, but for at least the first few, Factbook does list those verse, but they are under "heavenly father" not "father" since that's the complete phrase that is used.

Good to know, thanks Andrew.

Now that you point that out, I noticed that even in the list of "Referred to as" of God in the Factbook, is included "God of your fathers", as well as "God of our fathers", and "Father in heaven", "Father who is in heaven", "God the Father", "my Father", and others. So, that would certainly explain those "missing" verses, and definitely something for us to keep in mind about how the Factbook works.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839585#Comment_839585

Thanks KS4J

This does seem to give a great many false positives

[:$] Living and Learning plus Thankful for friendly forum discussion.

Father WITHIN 0 WORDS <Person God>

Here's another possible search for consideration:

{Section <Culture God as father>}

WITHIN refinement for some words within Cultural section:

(Adonai,Father,"Holy One") WITHIN {Section <Culture God as father>}

Keep Smiling [:)]

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/839605#Comment_839605

Living and Learning plus Thankful for friendly forum discussion.

My feelings exactly - the discussion has helped me to better understand LOGOS as well as to answer my specific question. Thank you everyone for taking part - and feel free to say more if other ideas come to mind.