New Feature: Courses Tool
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Brent Hoefling said:
So I have to actually start a course and begin again, then quit it, then go to the started plans so that I can import? I was looking for an import button for all my courses., or maybe each of them at worst case, but not have to open the dozens of them and go through this. Did anyone even test this process and think about anyone with more than 5 (a few) courses?
Even if you have 20 courses, I don't expect this will take you more than 30 minutes. It's a lot quicker than manually completing every section...
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Brent Hoefling said:
Did anyone even test this process and think about anyone with more than 5 (a few) courses?
Brent - I implemented and tested the feature. I was not the only one to test it, and not the only one to influence how it ended up, but I will speak on behalf of our intentions. First off, I agree with you that for a user that has gone through a significant number of courses using the Logos Now 6.x version of Courses, this feature does not completely solve the problem of "Let me see the courses I've completed in the Completed section", though it can help get you part of the way there.
Let me take this opportunity (for anyone interested) to elaborate a little on what "Import reading progress" does, and how the feature can be leveraged, along with some of the key differences between the 6.x LN version of Courses, and the 7.0 version.
A 6.x LN course, for the purpose of the Courses tool, was:
- The combined viewing of a text and associated video of a courseware resource.
- Granular viewing of "reading progress" data with some added functionality exposed in the Table of Contents of the Courses panel.
A quick note on "reading progress": This is the data stored when a resource is displayed that allows us to say "You've read 30% of this resource" as shown in both the Library view, and the Resource Info view in a Resource panel. This data was (and is) saved when viewing text or media resources in the Courses tool or in a normal Resource panel. This means that "Import reading progress" can be useful to all users, even if they haven't used the Courses tool before.
A 7.0 course is a specially designed template that includes sections from a number of resources along with other tasks and quizzes. In general, a Mobile Ed course in 7.0 will include supplementary readings, actions (like "Run this guide"), and screens to track exam completion. None of these elements existed in the 6.x Courses tool, and therefore completing a course in Logos 6 doesn't imply that all the material in the Logos 7 version of the course has been completed.
Enter "Import reading progress". Say you've read some (or all) of a courseware resource, or watched the videos (on the Desktop platform) and maybe a few of the supplemental readings in a Course, and don't want to re-read what you've already read. Start the course, and click "Import reading progress" (yes, there is an extra step to go back to viewing "All plans" in order to click the button). Any reading or viewing that has been previously completed at least 90% will show up as a completed section of the course. This can be useful to anyone beginning a new course.
Now, for those who have already worked through Courseware resources / Mobile Ed courses, starting a course that you've already completed and importing progress will help surface alll the readings and tasks we would have liked to include in the 6.x version of Courses. This may be something you find useful.
And, for those who have worked through many Courseware resources (Brent, I'm talking to you
), it might be a tedious process to find, start, import, then finish marking unfinished sections complete. I would suggest using the Library view of "Finished" resources grouped by type, as shown in my screenshot above to list the courses you've completed. Then, use the filter box in the Courses tool to quickly find the template for the Course. (As shown below). Finding, starting, and importing progress should go fairly quickly using this method. If the supplemental readings and tasks left unfinished are not relevant to you, then spending the additional effort to manually complete those sections in order to see the course as completed might still be a hassle, but it might be worth looking at what is there.
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Matt Preucil said:
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And, for those who have worked through many Courseware resources (Brent, I'm talking to you
), it might be a tedious process to find, start, import, then finish marking unfinished sections complete. I would suggest using the Library view of "Finished" resources grouped by type, as shown in my screenshot above to list the courses you've completed. Then, use the filter box in the Courses tool to quickly find the template for the Course. (As shown below). Finding, starting, and importing progress should go fairly quickly using this method. If the supplemental readings and tasks left unfinished are not relevant to you, then spending the additional effort to manually complete those sections in order to see the course as completed might still be a hassle, but it might be worth looking at what is there.thanks for all the work. I will take a deeper look at the procedures when I get some time. I do appreciate that you have taken the time to address my concerns. I have calmed down a bit now, and will heed your advice and instructions.
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I would also like to have the ability to add my own titles to the Courses Tool such as "Studies in Faithful Living Patriarchs Collection".
Titles like these are aimed more at a curriculum study as apposed to just a series of readings like some of the resources that the Courses Tool automatically populates.
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Is there a link I can click on to see all courses, including the ones not available to me in the Courses tool?
I could see courses related to resources I don't yet own influencing my purchasing decisions at some point.
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Matt Preucil said:
A 7.0 course is a specially designed template that includes sections from a number of resources along with other tasks and quizzes
I was not able to open the quizes from the courses tool. Are these not able to be taken within the tool? I then noticed the locked icons on all of the others.
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can't get there either.
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I don't see where anyone responded to SineNomine's question. Is there somewhere we can view a list of all courses and their requirements?
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Ralph Wood said:
I don't see where anyone responded to SineNomine's question.
Well, I did just give it, and it's a Saturday night. I'm sure someone at Faithlife will read it on Monday and someone(else?) will reply no later than Tuesday.
Ralph Wood said:Is there somewhere we can view a list of all courses and their requirements?
I'm glad I'm not the only person who cares about this. [:)]
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SineNomine said:
Is there a link I can click on to see all courses, including the ones not available to me in the Courses tool?
Is this what you are looking for: https://www.logos.com/mobile-ed/courses or in the store https://www.logos.com/products/search?Product+Type=Logos+Mobile+Education
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Ralph Wood said:
Is there somewhere we can view a list of all courses and their requirements?
No course seems to list its requirements on the course page of the website.
As far as I can tell, you would need to follow the appropriate faithlife group, download the excel file of readings, and then manually check them against your library.
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Damian McGrath said:
As far as I can tell, you would need to follow the appropriate faithlife group, download the excel file of readings, and then manually check them against your library.
It's probably quicker to download the notes/highlighting file and open that in Logos, as it will be easier to see what you don't have.
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Mark Barnes said:
It's probably quicker to download the notes/highlighting file and open that in Logos, as it will be easier to see what you don't have.
Did you try this Mark?
All I get is a list of "unavailable resource" links (see below)
I have to click on each one to find our what it is. Some show me the title, a purchasing option, and a preview. Some just give me a resource id and a link to visit Logos.com.
The list is ordered by references and does not indicate whether they are required readings or suggested readings nor the number of times they are referenced.
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Damian McGrath said:
I have to click on each one to find our what it is. Some show me the title, a purchasing option, and a preview. Some just give me a resource id and a link to visit Logos.com.
I usually only have one or two unavailable resources (if any), so for me it's quicker to look for those in a notes document, than to go through forty or sixty rows of a spreadsheet trying to remember what's in my library. If you're missing a lot of resources, I can see how the spreadsheet might work much better.
The link to logos.com is often useful, by the way, and is likely to take you to the correct product page. If there's no preview, it either means its a Vyrso book, or it's only available as part of a bundle.
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Mark Barnes said:
I usually only have one or two unavailable resources (if any)
In other courses, I don't have many unavailable resources. But, considering the size of my library, I am surprised by how many I did not have for that particular course (towards the end of it).
Mark Barnes said:If there's no preview, it either means its a Vyrso book, or it's only available as part of a bundle.
A few of them were, in fact, available individually. I was surprised by this.
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Mark Barnes said:
I have 213 - mostly MobileEd courses that I don't own!
How does this work Mark? Are you able to watch all those courses? I am showing 83 "plans" It appears I own everything......I am just starting to explore this tool.
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Mike Tourangeau said:Mark Barnes said:
I have 213 - mostly MobileEd courses that I don't own!
How does this work Mark? Are you able to watch all those courses? I am showing 83 "plans" It appears I own everything......I am just starting to explore this tool.
Mark, please disregard my question. I should have read through the conversation first.
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Will the new Courses Tool be made available on mobile platforms?
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Noel Bomar said:
I would also like to have the ability to add my own titles to the Courses Tool
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Hi,SineNomine said:Is there a link I can click on to see all courses, including the ones not available to me in the Courses tool?
Damian's links will show you all the Mobile Ed Courses we have available for purchase.
If you are looking for a list of all of the Learning Plans that we developed for the Courses tool (including the ones made for Mobile Ed), there is no such list available. The only plans that are not showing up in your Courses Tool are plans that are highly dependent on a resource that you do not own. For instance, we made a plan on Lewis' Mere Christianity. That plan won't show up unless you own Mere Christianity.We do plan on releasing most, if not all, plans when we are able to give you the ability to filter out plans that include content you don't own. We decided to restrict the ones that were dependent on one resource if you don't own it because we didn't want people to open plan after plan only to find that they were missing all the content necessary for completing the plan.
So, in the near future, you'll be able to see all the plans we've developed.
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Noel Bomar said:
I would also like to have the ability to add my own titles to the Courses Tool
We plan to add this functionality in the future.
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James Milne Smith said:
Will the new Courses Tool be made available on mobile platforms?
Eventually, yes. We don't have any firm timeline at the moment, though.
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Jon Bolin said:
We plan to add this functionality in the future.
Did you see my question above related to the quizzes within the new courses tool?
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James Taylor said:
Did you see my question above related to the quizzes within the new courses tool?
Yes, we are looking into it. Thanks!
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Thanks Jon just wanted to make sure it wasn't overlooked since it was on the previous page
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Damian McGrath said:Mark Barnes said:
It's probably quicker to download the notes/highlighting file and open that in Logos, as it will be easier to see what you don't have.
Did you try this Mark?
All I get is a list of "unavailable resource" links (see below)
I have to click on each one to find our what it is. Some show me the title, a purchasing option, and a preview. Some just give me a resource id and a link to visit Logos.com.
The list is ordered by references and does not indicate whether they are required readings or suggested readings nor the number of times they are referenced.
Hey Damian,
Have you tried changing the note style from "Full" to "Quotes"? It usually will give me the title and cover image of the missing resource, even if it shows blank because I'm missing the license- case in point, The Son Rises: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus (see screenshot).
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Jon Bolin said:
We decided to restrict the ones that were dependent on one resource if you don't own it because we didn't want people to open plan after plan only to find that they were missing all the content necessary for completing the plan.
It's sadly still possible to have that experience with courses that require multiple resources, but I certainly appreciate the thought!
Jon Bolin said:If you are looking for a list of all of the Learning Plans that we developed for the Courses tool (including the ones made for Mobile Ed), there is no such list available.
Thank you for the confirmation.
Jon Bolin said:So, in the near future, you'll be able to see all the plans we've developed.
Great!
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Andrew Zoll said:
Have you tried changing the note style from "Full" to "Quotes"? It usually will give me the title and cover image of the missing resource, even if it shows blank because I'm missing the license
Andrew! Thanks for this tip! I knew of quotes view, but never realized this use of it (for the readings for Mobile Ed courses). This is an excellent way to achieve this as well as a way to catch up on readings all in one place. I feel so stupid that I hadn't thought of this. Props to you ;-)
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Andrew Zoll said:
Have you tried changing the note style from "Full" to "Quotes"? It usually will give me the title and cover image of the missing resource, even if it shows blank because I'm missing the license
Andrew,
Thank you so much for that. It is even ordered in terms of number of quotes.
BUT, the note files that I have tested do not fully populate. I haven't arrived at a resource that i do not own.
Is it possible to re-order the "quotes" view so that it follows the same order as the other views.?
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Damian McGrath said:
Is it possible to re-order the "quotes" view so that it follows the same order as the other views.?
Don't think so
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Damian McGrath said:
Is it possible to re-order the "quotes" view so that it follows the same order as the other views.?
I have a note file with a few dozen quotes, so tried the different sort options, and as near as I can tell, none of the search options has any effect on the order of notes in Quotes view.
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Damian McGrath said:Andrew Zoll said:
Have you tried changing the note style from "Full" to "Quotes"? It usually will give me the title and cover image of the missing resource, even if it shows blank because I'm missing the license
Andrew,
Thank you so much for that. It is even ordered in terms of number of quotes.
BUT, the note files that I have tested do not fully populate. I haven't arrived at a resource that i do not own.
Is it possible to re-order the "quotes" view so that it follows the same order as the other views.?
Sorry! I generally follow these threads via email. Yes, you can change the sort order by clicking on the Resource Panel Menu and selecting one of the sort options (see attached image).
Scratch that. Just realized it doesn't adjust the actual sorting of the quotes view. Sorry about that!
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James Taylor said:Andrew Zoll said:
Have you tried changing the note style from "Full" to "Quotes"? It usually will give me the title and cover image of the missing resource, even if it shows blank because I'm missing the license
Andrew! Thanks for this tip! I knew of quotes view, but never realized this use of it (for the readings for Mobile Ed courses). This is an excellent way to achieve this as well as a way to catch up on readings all in one place. I feel so stupid that I hadn't thought of this. Props to you ;-)
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Glad I found this forum. How would you be able to see those available learning plans? Would they be integrated into the program, perhaps with a lock beside them? Thanks for your responses to the many questions about this helpful tool.
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Why do you need the Gold edition to really utilize and have access to all the courses and even access to books in courses that are available to me?
Also, the Biblical Event Navigator is not the same and should have the same look and functionality.
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KeepOnSavingMe said:
How would you be able to see those available learning plans?
We plan to integrate a way of filtering plans by resources owned. In the faceted browsing to the left of the main tool, you are able to select plans based on topic, theme, session length, etc. Our hope is also to include a section that lets you limit plans by whether you own the resources included in them or not. It will be something like "Plans for which I have all resources," "Plans for which I have some resources," "Plans for which I own no resources."
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kirk miller said:
Why do you need the Gold edition to really utilize and have access to all the courses and even access to books in courses that are available to me?
We built/are building most of the plans using the Logos 7 Gold library. We needed to choose a library so that the greatest amount of people would have access to all the resources. Gold is our most popular library, so we chose it.
I did build some plans using only resources in Starter and we plan to build more.
kirk miller said:Also, the Biblical Event Navigator is not the same and should have the same look and functionality.
I don't understand what you are referring to.
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Could someone tell me from where the # of courses come from! Mine shows "All" 96. It seems to me that everyone has pretty much a # that is over 200 courses available! Thanks in advance for your kindness in responding. God bless you.Mark Barnes said:Lynden Williams said:Mine is showing 132 courses. Even though I do not own most of them.
I have 213 - mostly MobileEd courses that I don't own!
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Richard Labelle said:
Could someone tell me from where the # of courses come from! Mine shows "All" 96. It seems to me that everyone has pretty much a # that is over 200 courses available! Thanks in advance for your kindness in responding. God bless you.
About 24 hours after launch, the Courses tool stopped showing MobileEd courses that we don't own. So my 213 has dropped to 126 (and I own around 40 Mobile Ed modules).
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Richard Labelle said:
Could someone tell me from where the # of courses come from!
We made learning plans that are heavily dependent on one resource (like Mobile Ed courses) unavailable to those who do not own that one resource. Hopefully this saves the frustration from having a bunch of courses in your tool that you can't use.
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Thank you Mark & Jon for clarifying this. Greatly appreciated. God bless you!Jon Bolin said:Richard Labelle said:Could someone tell me from where the # of courses come from!
We made learning plans that are heavily dependent on one resource (like Mobile Ed courses) unavailable to those who do not own that one resource. Hopefully this saves the frustration from having a bunch of courses in your tool that you can't use.
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Question about this tool. In addition to the Mobile Ed courses I'm seeing, I'm seeing a bunch of other "courses" that are listed from different people and a bunch of introductory "courses". What are these and how are they different from the Mobile Ed courses I own?
Thanks!
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They are basically reading plans on one or more books, sometimes traditional reading plans and sometimes created by the author.
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Nathan Parker said:
how are they different from the Mobile Ed courses I own?
For one they are not videos with transcripts. IMO, They are similar to the required reading sections from Mobile Ed classes, being that they are selected readings which are geared to putting some great resources in order which discuss a certain topic in an intentional/systematic work flow.
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I should clarify, I'm referring to the topical courses, not the ones which are essentially readling plans for a single book.
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No need to clarify ... that is what I assumed. Open one and look.
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James Taylor said:Nathan Parker said:
how are they different from the Mobile Ed courses I own?
For one they are not videos with transcripts. IMO, They are similar to the required reading sections from Mobile Ed classes, being that they are selected readings which are geared to putting some great resources in order which discuss a certain topic in an intentional/systematic work flow.
The best analog is probably reading lists from topics.logos.com. In fact, we've discussed converting some reading lists into learning plans in the Courses tool.
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Richard Labelle said:
Thank you Mark & Jon for clarifying this. Greatly appreciated. God bless you!Jon Bolin said:Richard Labelle said:Could someone tell me from where the # of courses come from!
We made learning plans that are heavily dependent on one resource (like Mobile Ed courses) unavailable to those who do not own that one resource. Hopefully this saves the frustration from having a bunch of courses in your tool that you can't use.
In the future, we intend to bring all plans back, not just the ones that correspond to content you own. This will allow you to discover plans you might be interested in even if you don't yet own the content. But we don't want to clutter your experience with the tool. We need to provide a way to see which plans you can take without purchasing anything, and which plans are available and would require an additional purchase. We're working on that. Once it's in place, you'll start seeing all plans.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
We need to provide a way to see which plans you can take without purchasing anything, and which plans are available and would require an additional purchase. We're working on that. Once it's in place, you'll start seeing all plans.
Sounds good. Thanks Phil.
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Thanks for the info! There's some interesting plans in there I'm sure to really benefit from and discover some new insights from my Bible study. Can't wait to try them out!
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