Logos 7 Features vs Logos Now Features

I am a long-time user of Logos and tend to prefer ownership over renting. I am currently a Logos Now subscriber, but am curious about buying the Logos 7 Feature Set vs continuing Logos Now. Is there any current Logos Now feature that is not a part of the Logos 7 feature set?

I know there will be features added to Logos Now later that are not part of the Logos 7 feature set, but are there any as of now. If so, what are they?

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Rick

Is there any current Logos Now feature that is not a part of the Logos 7 feature set?

The Logos 6 Now features, see this thread titled "Did Anything Not Make the Cut"): https://community.logos.com/forums/t/129322.aspx

For the Logos 7 Now features, see below.

From this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/129206/840047.aspx

*Bible Browser (Logos Now Only)
Lemma in Passage (Logos Now only)
Logos web app (Access to the beta of the Logos web app; Logos Now only)

From this post (same thread): https://community.logos.com/forums/p/129206/839946.aspx#839946

Faithlife Animations (subscription only)
deSilva Teaching Materials, vol. 2 (subscription only)
Mars Hill Media Collection (subscription only)
Lexham Bible Dictionary Videos (subscription only)

Tim Farley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/841225#Comment_841225

Thanks Rick. I had seen the first post above before, but did not notice at the time that it highlights the subscription only features.

Rick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/841233#Comment_841233

I'm not 100% sure but I think it may have been edited to reflect the subscription only tools because it wasn't clear when originally posted.

David Petraitis

I am interested in the same thing and hopefully someone can provide a simple straight forward answer to the question.

In general I prefer purchase to renting too. However, given the LOGOS pricing structure, it almost seems better to rent. I also thought that LOGOS now was marketed as have all of the features of the current sale product plus features of future products once added.

So if LOGOS Now has the same features I would prefer to stay renting due to Logos pricing

Bill Moore

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843069#Comment_843069

I am interested in the same thing and hopefully someone can provide a simple straight forward answer to the question.

In general I prefer purchase to renting too. However, given the LOGOS pricing structure, it almost seems better to rent. I also thought that LOGOS now was marketed as have all of the features of the current sale product plus features of future products once added.

So if LOGOS Now has the same features I would prefer to stay renting due to Logos pricing

You do get more with Logos Now, David, but should you stop subscribing, you also lose more. For instance, I own Logos 6. Were I to start subscribing to Logos Now and do that for a few iterations, I would still own only the feature and data sets of Logos 6. Logos 7, 8, 9, and 10 may have rolled around, and the Logos Now membership would have kept me up to date with all feature and data sets.

However, should my income become restricted and I can no longer may the annual membership, my Logos feature and data sets would revert to Logos 6, though I would still be able to run Logos because the Logos 10 or 11 or whatever core engine is free.

As I understand, this is the way things stand now. I hope that Logos comes up with a solution to the scenario I described. It's the thing that keeps me from joining Logos Now.

Still, if you are new to Logos, Logos Now may be the best way to get started because the initial cost of the full feature set is high.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843069#Comment_843069

So if LOGOS Now has the same features I would prefer to stay renting due to Logos pricing

Logos Now has all the features in the Full Features Set, plus a few more that were excluded from the FFS because they require ongoing access to Logos' servers.

Mark Nolette

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843079#Comment_843079

Logos Now has all the features in the Full Features Set, plus a few more that were excluded from the FFS because they require ongoing access to Logos' servers.

I hope that FaithLife keeps such online-only features to a minimum. It means that if you are occasionally in a place with unreliable WiFi (or none), you can't access those features. I was debating whether to upgrade to the 7 FFS or Now. This clinched it. I went with FFS. My dynamic price was $137. Not bad. And I can use all the features, online or off. Granted that I don't get the latest features as they roll out. But I won't use all the features in 7 as it is. I'm just learning the potential of such features as Concordance and Multiview Resources, to name only two.

Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind if Now becomes even more attractive! But, for now, I'll stick with FFS. My two cents.

Bud Brown

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843069#Comment_843069

Simple, straightforward answers in these Fora are like Unobtanium.

Extremely rare.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843500#Comment_843500

I hope that FaithLife keeps such online-only features to a minimum. It means that if you are occasionally in a place with unreliable WiFi (or none), you can't access those features.

On the other hand, having online-only features means that if you're in a place with good WiFi, you have features that you can use that you otherwise could not use. FL doesn't make features online-only arbitrarily: it does so because they authentically need to be online only.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843505#Comment_843505

Simple, straightforward answers in these Fora are like Unobtanium.

Extremely rare.

What thread-relevant question(s) would you like a simple and straightforward answer to?

Michel Pauw

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843505#Comment_843505

If you intend to keep being subscribed to Logos 7 Now at least until the release of Logos 8, would it make sense to also buy the Logos 7 Full Set of Features?

Bill Moore

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843627#Comment_843627

If you intend to keep being subscribed to Logos 7 Now at least until the release of Logos 8, would it make sense to also buy the Logos 7 Full Set of Features?

Not to me, Michel. It seems an unnecessary expense to purchase the Full Feature Set along with paying the Logos Now annual fee unless you do not intend to continue subscribing to Logos Now when Logos 8 is released in a couple of years.

I would either plan to continue in Logos Now alone after L8 is released or purchase the Full Feature Set now and not renew Logos Now when the membership needs to be renewed..

I hope that makes sense. My brain is starting to hurt. [:)]

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843079#Comment_843079

So if LOGOS Now has the same features I would prefer to stay renting due to Logos pricing

Logos Now has all the features in the Full Features Set, plus a few more that were excluded from the FFS because they require ongoing access to Logos' servers.

Logos Wiki has => Online Only in the Logos 7 section that has "new" for Logos 7 new online features (along with online only from Logos 6).

Keep Smiling [:)]

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843500#Comment_843500

Mark, you say your "dynamic price" was 137.00 for FFS. How did you manage to pull that off? I'm being told by Sales it would cost 211.00 US price which makes it about 275 Canadian price.

That being said, I just looked at the Logos 7 site and now that exciting price has suddenly gone to a simple 404.79 for the FFS. It just keeps getting better!

https://www.logos.com/product/81150/silver

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843694#Comment_843694

you say your "dynamic price" was 137.00 for FFS.

Did he specify currency? He is in the UK.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843694#Comment_843694

Mark, you say your "dynamic price" was 137.00 for FFS. How did you manage to pull that off? I'm being told by Sales it would cost 211.00 US price which makes it about 275 Canadian price.

I don't know where Mark said that but, as a Logos Now member, he would get discount for the FFS. It shows in my cart for $126

That being said, I just looked at the Logos 7 site and now that exciting price has suddenly gone to a simple 404.79 for the FFS

I see that price for FFS when not logged into the site - are you sure you are logged in with your Logos credentials?

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843711#Comment_843711

I don't know where Mark said that but, as a Logos Now member, he would get discount for the FFS. It shows in my cart for $126

You must own a few additional features that the rest of us don't have. My FFS dynamic sale price with LN discount is $150.

Still not happy about having to fork out an additional $150 to own what appeared to be included with my Logos 7 base package.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/843727#Comment_843727

MJSmith, I hadn't noticed Mark was in the UK and that must be why he stated the said amount. Thanks for pointing that out.

Graham, it was Mark Nolette who stated that, e.g "This clinched it. I went with FFS. My dynamic price was $137."

As to the 400.00 price, it must be as you say, I wasn't logged in with my credentials. Something else then, a discount for FFS? If one becomes a LN member, is FFS not included in the yearly subscription? What am I missing?

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/844346#Comment_844346

Graham, it was Mark Nolette who stated that, e.g "This clinched it. I went with FFS. My dynamic price was $137."

Thank you, I missed that

. Something else then, a discount for FFS? If one becomes a LN member, is FFS not included in the yearly subscription? What am I missing?

You are quite right that FFS is included with the subscription, But some people want to purchase it anyway so they will retain the features if they stop subscribing. So it is an option one can purchase.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/844348#Comment_844348

Thank you for your usual good help (and clarification) Graham. Permit me to ask you here since I've received no response on the other thread concerning this.

Have you heard of any still getting the "not responding" issue in Logos 7 that has been around at least since Logos 5 & 6?

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/844496#Comment_844496

Have you heard of any still getting the "not responding" issue in Logos 7 that has been around at least since Logos 5 & 6?

I don't recall seeing any reports of this in Logos 7.

But I doubt if there have been significant changes in the underlying software that would affect this. As discussed in your other posts on this the reasons for this may vary and so it is necessary to analyse each instance independently.

In other words, I don't think there is a generic issue but I know that some people do see this under some circumstances.

Sorry - that's probably not much help!

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/844496#Comment_844496

Have you heard of any still getting the "not responding" issue in Logos 7 that has been around at least since Logos 5 & 6?

That message still comes up, especially when opening complex layouts. I just opening a layout with 47 tabs and the message appeared.

As Graham said that is largely dependent on the computer and what the software was asked to do.

Hard drive speed, processor, memory, how many app are running in the background, all affect whether or not that message is displayed.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/844496#Comment_844496

Have you heard of any still getting the "not responding" issue in Logos 7 that has been around at least since Logos 5 & 6?

I get it quite frequently but I always can tell why ... I have overloaded my machine either with other programs I have up, with indexing in the background added, or with complex layouts with wide ranging visual filters. Depending on why I have overloaded my machine I either wait or correct the issue. I suspect most people aren't letting Logos update while they use Verbum on the same machine so I see it more than most.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/844578#Comment_844578

Thank you for the helpful replies. Much appreciated!

Thinking

I am a long-time user of Logos and tend to prefer ownership over renting.

Though I like LN, I have the same preference. I finally subscribed to LN only because it saved me money. Since LN provides a 15% discount + $10.00 for a limited time on a library and there is a 25% discount on the datasets, I calculated that if I spent more than $683.33 US on a library collection or more than $449.95 for a dataset (or some combination of the two), LN for a year saves me money.

I purchased the standard Portfolio, a platinum library for my denomination, and the datasets. LN saved me a little over $200.00. If I decide to let it expire at the end of the year, I will still retain my up-to-date library and dataset.