Making Logos usable for academic research
Has any thought been given to cleaning up the resources so that references work properly? Many of my resources lack proper page numbers and the Bibliography entries are not properly formatted. There are many of them that miss some of the information. I usually to an online tool and enter the book to get the appropriate Bibliography entry and have to fins a paper copy of the book to find the page number. I love Logos and use it almost every day, but these issues are annoying.
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Periodically Logos will download updated resources and people complain about the downloads. But many times the resource downloads are fixes to precisely these type of meta-data issues.
I agree they should ship that way the first time, but at least Logos is aware and is, as I understand it, still working on it.
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Jeffrey Visser said:
Has any thought been given to cleaning up the resources so that references work properly? Many of my resources lack proper page numbers and the Bibliography entries are not properly formatted. There are many of them that miss some of the information. I usually to an online tool and enter the book to get the appropriate Bibliography entry and have to fins a paper copy of the book to find the page number. I love Logos and use it almost every day, but these issues are annoying.
As someone in college, I find that to be problematic as well. I have no doubt they are working hard at getting the resources' information correct so we can cite properly.
Cynthia
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Jeffrey Visser said:
Has any thought been given to cleaning up the resources so that references work properly? Many of my resources lack proper page numbers and the Bibliography entries are not properly formatted. There are many of them that miss some of the information. I usually to an online tool and enter the book to get the appropriate Bibliography entry and have to fins a paper copy of the book to find the page number. I love Logos and use it almost every day, but these issues are annoying.
This has been on our (over-crowded) development list for some time, and we fully agree we need to improve our bibliographic information in Logos. We've made some progress toward building the infrastructure to support this, so you can expect to see improvements at some point in the future.
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Sean Boisen said:
This has been on our (over-crowded) development list for some time, and we fully agree we need to improve our bibliographic information in Logos. We've made some progress toward building the infrastructure to support this, so you can expect to see improvements at some point in the future.
Thank you, Sean. While I like the new features, fixing the current offering to make it usable without having to find the resource in print or elsewhere online for proper citation would go a long way and be appreciated by anyone that needs to cite their work. Now that Windows 7 is done, I will be looking forward to these quality improvements.
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There is a glimmer of hope that Faithlife will start focusing on the core features - Phil Gons indicated something like this might be coming here. I am just hopeful that we can get highlighted search results in Notes - seems a reasonable request for a software product focused on search and study tools - yet no acknowledgement other than "it's on the list" (behind the empty tomb obviously.)
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I'm sure you know this already but... the empty tomb interactive was handled by a completely different group of programmers. (Actually the programming was minimal, the artwork was handled by non-programmers.)Don Awalt said:no acknowledgement other than "it's on the list" (behind the empty tomb obviously.)
Point taken though.
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TCBlack said:
I'm sure you know this already but... the empty tomb interactive was handled by a completely different group of programmers. (Actually the programming was minimal, the artwork was handled by non-programmers.)Don Awalt said:no acknowledgement other than "it's on the list" (behind the empty tomb obviously.)
Point taken though.
You know this is really a bone of contention with me that FL uses regularly....but they are not being very transparent when they say it. It works like this - FL decides where to invest their money - they staff those initiatives - they plan the projects. To say that the two projects are unrelated is nonsense. FL decides to invest in one type of skill over the other because they want more of the new feature list interactives at the expense of programming staff to fix bugs, optimize, improve existing code, etc. It is their right to decide how to apportion their money, but that's really a very old excuse that carries little weight and is a bit disingenuous. They would be much more open if they just said "it's not a priority, we would rather do these other things" than focus on the customer pain points for now. At least we would know. I fear the days are long gone for those types of candid discussions on the forums though.
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Don, in setting their priorities they need to consider keeping all their staff busy - editorial, artistic, data curation and programming. While there is coordination between the groups and check points when they must be in sync, there is also work that is primarily independent of other groups. As Eli pointed out elsewhere, these interactives required only minimal programming involvement - they were priority to editorial and artistic staff.
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Jeffrey Visser said:
...without having to find the resource in print or elsewhere online for proper citation would go a long way and be appreciated by anyone that needs to cite their work.
I'm just old enough to distrust much of what I see in metadata. So I usually avoid accepting the resource citation offered by Logos. But I rarely have to find a paper copy or a library catalogue. As I would with a paper book, I scroll to the Title and Copyright pages of the Logos edition, which nearly always tell me what I need. [;)]
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Jeffrey Visser said:
I usually to an online tool and enter the book to get the appropriate Bibliography entry and have to fins a paper copy of the book to find the page number.
Which resources are these? Vyrso editions? Most of my "logos edition" resources have page numbers.
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Andrew Malone said:
I'm just old enough to distrust much of what I see in metadata. So I usually avoid accepting the resource citation offered by Logos. But I rarely have to find a paper copy or a library catalogue. As I would with a paper book, I scroll to the Title and Copyright pages of the Logos edition, which nearly always tell me what I need.
For the Bibliography, I agree. But some of the resources don't even contain page numbers. It is very hard to cite a source by saying "about 1/3 of the way through the book." The more things are peer reviewed, the harder it becomes.
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alabama24 said:
Which resources are these? Vyrso editions? Most of my "logos edition" resources have page numbers.
It is a mix of resources. Some are Vyrso and some are Logos. Journals are notoriously bad. If this thread is open next timeI do a research paper, I will add actual resources.
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Jeffrey Visser said:
It is very hard to cite a source by saying "about 1/3 of the way through the book."
Some of the style guides provide the instructions for doing very close to this. [:)]
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Jeffrey Visser said:
It is a mix of resources. Some are Vyrso and some are Logos.
The Vyrso ones are likely to remain without page numbers. The Logos ones...almost without exception really should have them.
Jeffrey Visser said:Journals are notoriously bad. If this thread is open next timeI do a research paper, I will add actual resources.
This could be useful information.
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MJ. Smith said:Jeffrey Visser said:
It is very hard to cite a source by saying "about 1/3 of the way through the book."
Some of the style guides provide the instructions for doing very close to this.
Really? I have not noticed that, but I will believe you.
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In-Text Citations
For in-text citations of paraphrased material, provide the author and date, as for any APA Style reference. To cite a direct quotation, also provide page numbers if the e-book has page numbers. If there are no page numbers, you can include any of the following in the text to cite the quotation (see section 6.05 of the Publication Manual, pp. 171–172):
- a paragraph number, if provided; alternatively, you can count paragraphs down from the beginning of the document;
- an overarching heading plus a paragraph number within that section; or
- an abbreviated heading (or the first few words of the heading) in quotation marks, in cases in which the heading is too unwieldy to cite in full.
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SineNomine said:Jeffrey Visser said:
It is a mix of resources. Some are Vyrso and some are Logos.
The Vyrso ones are likely to remain without page numbers. The Logos ones...almost without exception really should have them.
At the risk of sounding condenscending – and aimed as much to help other readers as Jeffrey – I sometimes encounter resources where page numbers aren't set to display. Is it possible that your resources have the page 'milestones' included but they're just not showing?
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SineNomine said:MJ. Smith said:Jeffrey Visser said:
It is very hard to cite a source by saying "about 1/3 of the way through the book."
Some of the style guides provide the instructions for doing very close to this.
Really? I have not noticed that, but I will believe you.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this. Just last week I came on here and complained of the very same thing because I couldnt find pages on my resources that I needed to cite. In turning on page numbers, even then I was given suggestions on how to find accurate page numbers by going to a print source on google or Amazon. This IS a problem that really needs to be addressed. We should be able to trust that what we are citing is accurate and we should be able to FIND proper citing for our resources. Part of me can't believe this is even a conversation we are having.
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MJ. Smith said:
Don, in setting their priorities they need to consider keeping all their staff busy - editorial, artistic, data curation and programming. While there is coordination between the groups and check points when they must be in sync, there is also work that is primarily independent of other groups. As Eli pointed out elsewhere, these interactives required only minimal programming involvement - they were priority to editorial and artistic staff.
You missed the point, MJ.
I am saying this issue starts earlier - budget planning time - when the funds for staff are decided and people are hired. Certainly if you hire 20 artists your points are well taken. I am saying the decision was made to hire those artists instead of hiring more programmers to fix the problems/issues that have been long mentioned and largely ignored because they were too far down the resultant priority list - and also impacted by the decision(s) to invest and hire people to create other web sites - and other software products - and other initiatives - all of which is funded by the revenue generated by Logos/Verbum. I am not saying none of that should happen, it's the way businesses grow. I am saying it feels to me that the balance is skewed too far away from the successful product and customers that got Faithlife there in the first place. I am also saying that if you think about the decisions made at budget planning time, to say "We have artists not programmers so we can't do more" is a bit disingenuous.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this. Just last week I came on here and complained of the very same thing because I couldnt find pages on my resources that I needed to cite. In turning on page numbers, even then I was given suggestions on how to find accurate page numbers by going to a print source on google or Amazon. This IS a problem that really needs to be addressed. We should be able to trust that what we are citing is accurate and we should be able to FIND proper citing for our resources. Part of me can't believe this is even a conversation we are having.
Can you give some examples of Logos resources that do not have page numbers in the Logos editions but do in print?
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I'm a little bewildered. I just finished my PhD - it was signed off yesterday
I used Logos extensively and never had any issues with page numbers like those some are speaking of here. It's true that the reference details weren't always entirely sufficient (because I decided to cite as if I was working from the physical resource rather than logos research systems) but since I had to do a lot of work with footnotes and the bibliography for everything I cited I didn't think it was too much trouble to do a little checking online. More than that, the search functionality of logos enabled me to make accurate assertions on the basis of a few clicks which I would have had to spend hours of reading physical books to discover.
So my testimony is that not only is logos usable for academic research, it is virtually indispensable!
Colin
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Andrew Malone said:
At the risk of sounding condenscending – and aimed as much to help other readers as Jeffrey – I sometimes encounter resources where page numbers aren't set to display. Is it possible that your resources have the page 'milestones' included but they're just not showing?
This doesn't make sense, in my case, since some resources show page numbers and other's don't. But for the sake of argument, where is the setting that I should be verifying to make sure page numbers always show up? It would be great if this is the case.
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Colin said:
I just finished my PhD - it was signed off yesterday
Congratulations. What was your PhD in?
Colin said: I used Logos extensively and never had any issues with page numbers like those some are speaking of here.
It depends on the resource. Some are great with page numbers and other's are not. This also shows up with assigned readings that we are supposed to do. Without page numbers, it is difficult to ensure I read the correct pages.
Colin said:
More than that, the search functionality of logos enabled me to make accurate assertions on the basis of a few clicks which I would have had to spend hours of reading physical books to discover.
So my testimony is that not only is logos usable for academic research, it is virtually indispensable!
This I agree with 100%. Logos is indispensable when doing research. If it wasn't so useful I wouldn't have spent so much money in Logos over the years. I would rather have no page numbers than lo Logos. But they can improve the product greatly by cleaning up their metadata.
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MJ. Smith said:
For in-text citations of paraphrased material, provide the author and date, as for any APA Style reference.
Most of my work must be done in SBL or Chicago style. While there are similar exceptions for ebooks in SBL, they are looked down upon by the professors.
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Jeffrey Visser said:
This doesn't make sense, in my case, since some resources show page numbers and other's don't. But for the sake of argument, where is the setting that I should be verifying to make sure page numbers always show up? It would be great if this is the case.
Page numbers can be turned on and off under the three-circle "triangle" control for Visual Filters, which is (ironically) right by the box you input the page number or reference for a resource. Under that, there's an option for page numbers, which has an option for turning it on for all resources that have that feature.
But no, you are not mistaken that some works are missing page numbers. A year or two ago I bought Van Til's Christianity and Barthianism and it has none whatsoever. When I inquired as to why, I was told it was because it was an older, poorer quality Logos book. Given it's not a bestseller, it's not likely to ever be updated. But presently there's nothing on a product page to tell you if it's up to expected standards or not. You just have to buy and take your chances. Of course, you can return it if it's a deal-breaker, but it's very poor that the situation is allowed to stand as it is.
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Jeffrey Visser said:Colin said:
I just finished my PhD - it was signed off yesterday
Congratulations. What was your PhD in?
Colin said:
I used Logos extensively and never had any issues with page numbers like those some are speaking of here.
It depends on the resource. Some are great with page numbers and other's are not. This also shows up with assigned readings that we are supposed to do. Without page numbers, it is difficult to ensure I read the correct pages.
Colin said:
More than that, the search functionality of logos enabled me to make accurate assertions on the basis of a few clicks which I would have had to spend hours of reading physical books to discover.
So my testimony is that not only is logos usable for academic research, it is virtually indispensable!
This I agree with 100%. Logos is indispensable when doing research. If it wasn't so useful I wouldn't have spent so much money in Logos over the years. I would rather have no page numbers than lo Logos. But they can improve the product greatly by cleaning up their metadata.
Ditto
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Jeffrey Visser said:
It depends on the resource. Some are great with page numbers and other's are not. This also shows up with assigned readings that we are supposed to do. Without page numbers, it is difficult to ensure I read the correct pages.
I use Verbum all the time for academic work, and have hardly ever had trouble with page numbers.
You can turn them on in all of your resources with one click.
Just open up the Visual Filters in any book, and right click or click on the arrow at the right of the option to "Show page numbers". A submenu will appear that will allow you to "Show in all appropriate resources." If you click on that, it will turn on page numbers in all of your books.
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I think that this is indicative of a larger QA problem that Logos has. I have posted numerous times before with examples of this sloppy work. IF the big claim of Logos is that everything is linked, but some (many?) link are broken or not even there, how well does that work out? I have had brand new books ship with no hyperlink to another resource and Bible tags just left out.
I appreciate the constant updates to resources, although I don't know exactly what is being fixed.
Logos should step up and create a dept (doesn't even have to be huge) of someone to review these problems. The added work would greatly increase the quality and value of what many of us have invested thousands of dollars into.
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Everett Headley said:
Bible tags just left out.
This shouldn't happen in Logos books although it may in Vyrso. Do you have some examples? I ask because when I find this level of error with any frequency in a new book, it gets corrected quickly.
I strongly agree that they need to be more precise as to the level of linkage we can expect in a resource.
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Thanks Jeffrey. My PhD was in Old Testament. My subject was Christ in the OT. I approached that by comparing Calvin's commentary on Zechariah with Luther's and that of the wonderfully named Theodore of Mopsuestia!
I'm far from being a power user but was able to find page numbers in my primary texts and in the journals I referred to. I guess I just happened to be using books which are appropriately paginated. I don't doubt that there are some which are not. I certainly sent through a lot of typos during my research and continue to do so almost every day (3 today I think).
I guess I reacted against the title of the thread which is a little strong I think. Maybe it could have been 'making all resources in logos usable for academic research' or even a 'more' before the usable.
Colin
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Fr Devin Roza said:Jeffrey Visser said:
It depends on the resource. Some are great with page numbers and other's are not. This also shows up with assigned readings that we are supposed to do. Without page numbers, it is difficult to ensure I read the correct pages.
I use Verbum all the time for academic work, and have hardly ever had trouble with page numbers.
You can turn them on in all of your resources with one click.
Just open up the Visual Filters in any book, and right click or click on the arrow at the right of the option to "Show page numbers". A submenu will appear that will allow you to "Show in all appropriate resources." If you click on that, it will turn on page numbers in all of your books.
This is not true for resources that are not paginated. There are several.
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Matt Hamrick said:
This is not true for resources that are not paginated. There are several.
Yes, there are, and hopefully that can be fixed. That being said, I have used the program extensively for academic work, and have practically never had academic resources without page numbers. Maybe I've just been fortunate.
The Bibliographical information for me has been another story, as it has often been unreliable or incomplete. As a result, I rarely look to Verbum for bibliographical information, as I simply don't trust it to be as complete and reliable as other sources.
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Matt Hamrick said:
This is not true for resources that are not paginated. There are several.
I almost never come across resources that aren't paginated (apart from Bibles and Ancient Manuscripts, of course). But when I checked in my library I found over 1,000 resources that aren't paginated, even when I excluded things like MobileEd. To be fair, a number are digital first, but here's a small sample of ones that might matter for academic research:
- The Archaeological Encyclopedia of the Holy Land
- BAR journals and the Christian History Magazine
- The College Press NIV Commentary (NT)
- The IVP NT Commentary Series
- IVP Bible Background Commentary series.
- The Collision of Early Christianity and Judaism in Revelation 11
- Almost everything by van Til.
- Dictionary of Bible Themes
- A Dictionary of Biblical Tradition in English Literature
Interestingly I also saw Schanbel's, Acts: Expanded Digital Edition, which presumably has never been given page numbers, despite having a print equivalent.
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Thanks to those who've shown how to turn on page numbers globally (where available). That's a nice context menu I hadn't met before. [:D]
Mark Barnes said:Interestingly I also saw Schanbel's, Acts: Expanded Digital Edition, which presumably has never been given page numbers, despite having a print equivalent.
Yes, works like this are a whole new category, aren't they. As per various comments above:
- If someone gives you a page number, it makes it pretty impossible to find where you should be. (At least in a commentary you can take a guess on which passage you should be reading!)
- If you want to give someone a page number:
- You'll have to check the print equivalent to find that page number...
- ...and also be unsure as to whether what you're currently reading in the Expanded Digital Edition even has the corresponding text in the print edition!
As a fan of Acts and of Schnabel, I think it's fabulous to have access to his extra insights. But, for some teaching and learning purposes, this version becomes a whole new class of resource, not completely comparable to the printed ZECNT volume.
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Jeffrey Visser said:
Journals are notoriously bad.
Many/most of the older journals were done by Galaxie Software. The bibliographic data in these was/is atrocious, and page numbers were totally lacking. This poor quality was one reason FL took over journal publication. FL has been slowly adding the necessary tagging to these volumes—perhaps not as fast as most of us would prefer, but it is getting done, at least I think it is being done.
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Mark Barnes said:
Interestingly I also saw Schanbel's, Acts: Expanded Digital Edition, which presumably has never been given page numbers, despite having a print equivalent.
The reason for this is because the digital and print are not exactly the same—the digital adds more content that the print version had to exclude.
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Will all resources have page numbers eventually?
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While I hope and believe that they will, the case may not be that easy. First: there are thousands of resources - so time is a factor. Second: There are multiple contracts, and I personally wonder if these contracts allow for ongoing updates. They might, but I simply don't know.Keith Pang said:Will all resources have page numbers eventually?
Short answer: I hope so.
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Keith Pang said:
Will all resources have page numbers eventually?
No, and likely not just because some resources are not produced from print material that is paginated.
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Okay thank you TCBlack and SineNomine for your replies. This makes me a little timid about writing my research papers with Logos resources. Though I have not encountered this issue yet.
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Keith Pang said:
This makes me a little timid about writing my research papers with Logos resources.
I see Logos as an awesome tool for convenience and searching. So I can do the bulk of my research with it. But, as we've been unpacking in this thread, it's not a complete replacement for physical books – or the chance to vet quotes and pages numbers with previews like Google Books and Amazon. ;-)
Mind you, it should be noted that (what I consider to be) core educational works are usually those that are paginated. So it's quite rare, with the resources that I use, to be unable to find page numbers. Commensurately, my institution has happily facilitated Logos for its online students.
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TCBlack said:
While I hope and believe that they will, the case may not be that easy. First: there are thousands of resources - so time is a factor.
I would have hoped they would have done it right the first time and so it wouldn't have required rework. I would rather wait until a product is done right that get it 1/2 done. This doesn't seem to by a problem with any of my Kindle books. They produce them cheaper and correct. If they didn't have such a great tool, I would never buy Logos books. My last textbook was 66% more at Logos that the comparable Kindle version ($50 vs $30). But it is a book that I think I will use in ministry so I bit the bullet and bought it on Logos. But many books that I don't think I will use for research I buy on Kindle. For the premium price, they should be done right. Just my 2 cents...
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Keith Pang said:
This makes me a little timid about writing my research papers with Logos resources.
Use Logos for your research papers. It makes the research much easier - especially if you have a large library. Just know that sometimes you won't get page numbers when you copy text. Depending on the prof, you may be able to note it as a Logos version and use n.p. for no pages. Just make sure you verify the footnote and Bibliography entry. This takes extra work, but it is still less work than researching without Logos.
Enjoy your writing. I can't wait until I can write about what I want to write about, not what the prof wants me to write about.
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Keith Pang said:
Okay thank you TCBlack and SineNomine for your replies. This makes me a little timid about writing my research papers with Logos resources. Though I have not encountered this issue yet.
For most things it's fine. I wouldn't hesitate to use its paginated resources.
In my post-grad studies, I was shocked by how many errors I found when I tried to follow-up citations in printed works. Diligence is required all around, no matter the medium of the resources you consult.
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SineNomine said:
No, and likely not just because some resources are not produced from print material that is paginated.
It is ok if they are not the same as the printed version. As long as they are references correctly, that is ok. At worst case, they should have an indication, like Kindle's "Kindle location", that notes the electronic location of the reference.
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Sean said:
In my post-grad studies, I was shocked by how many errors I found when I tried to follow-up citations in printed works. Diligence is required all around, no matter the medium of the resources you consult
I have lost far too many hours of research because of inaccurate citations in print.
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SineNomine said:
I have lost far too many hours of research because of inaccurate citations in print.
I agree that citations can be wrong in print as well as electronic versions of books. The advantage with electronic is that they can be corrected.
But it is important to distinguish between incorrect references (provided by the author/publisher) and incorrect biographical information (provided by Logos) or missing page numbers/location markers (not included by logos) that make it impossible to reference responsibility. If Logos wants to be the primary tool for researchers, they need to focus on their quality when creating electronic books. New features should come as a second priority to releasing high-quality resources with their existing features.
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Jeffrey Visser said:
It is very hard to cite a source by saying "about 1/3 of the way through the book." The more things are peer reviewed, the harder it becomes.
I completely agree. I tried to use Logos as much as possible while working on my doctoral dissertation. A lot of the books I used in my bibliography were Vyrso books. Most of those did not have page numbers. I hunted and hunted to find page numbers, often going to the Amazon book preview to find page numbers, which I thought was kind of ironic - I didn't buy the books from them, but had to go to them to get page numbers. When I reviewed my final bibliography I probably had 50 to 75 books that did not have page numbers, they only had "n.p." This just did not sit well with me for an academic dissertation, but I didn't have much choice since so many of the Vyrso books deploy without page numbers ( luckily my mentor and readers did not press this issue) . So I can definitely sympathize and empathize with the original poster. I really wish that they would take the time to deploy these resources with page numbers. PLEASE.
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Myke Harbuck said:
I completely agree. I tried to use Logos as much as possible while working on my doctoral dissertation. A lot of the books I used in my bibliography were Vyrso books. Most of those did not have page numbers. I hunted and hunted to find page numbers, often going to the Amazon book preview to find page numbers, which I thought was kind of ironic - I didn't buy the books from them, but had to go to them to get page numbers. When I reviewed my final bibliography I probably had 50 to 75 books that did not have page numbers, they only had "n.p."
wow! That's a lot of vyrso-types books in a dissertation. That's not to knock your dissertation, but rather, that makes me think that your list of books might be better served in Logos, as opposed to vyrso. Then having "better" tagging and potentially page numbers would be more likely to occur (I am aware that having a book in Logos does not guarantee having page numbers. In the resource, though I do imagine it being more likely.)
i see it won't be of direct benefit to you right now, but maybe if you suggest some of the vyrso books you used to be converted to logos, it may be helpful to others in the future.
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