Making Logos usable for academic research

Has any thought been given to cleaning up the resources so that references work properly? Many of my resources lack proper page numbers and the Bibliography entries are not properly formatted. There are many of them that miss some of the information. I usually to an online tool and enter the book to get the appropriate Bibliography entry and have to fins a paper copy of the book to find the page number. I love Logos and use it almost every day, but these issues are annoying.

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TCBlack

Periodically Logos will download updated resources and people complain about the downloads. But many times the resource downloads are fixes to precisely these type of meta-data issues.

I agree they should ship that way the first time, but at least Logos is aware and is, as I understand it, still working on it.

Cynthia in Florida

Has any thought been given to cleaning up the resources so that references work properly? Many of my resources lack proper page numbers and the Bibliography entries are not properly formatted. There are many of them that miss some of the information. I usually to an online tool and enter the book to get the appropriate Bibliography entry and have to fins a paper copy of the book to find the page number. I love Logos and use it almost every day, but these issues are annoying.

As someone in college, I find that to be problematic as well. I have no doubt they are working hard at getting the resources' information correct so we can cite properly.

Sean Boisen

Has any thought been given to cleaning up the resources so that references work properly? Many of my resources lack proper page numbers and the Bibliography entries are not properly formatted. There are many of them that miss some of the information. I usually to an online tool and enter the book to get the appropriate Bibliography entry and have to fins a paper copy of the book to find the page number. I love Logos and use it almost every day, but these issues are annoying.

This has been on our (over-crowded) development list for some time, and we fully agree we need to improve our bibliographic information in Logos. We've made some progress toward building the infrastructure to support this, so you can expect to see improvements at some point in the future.

Jeffrey Visser

This has been on our (over-crowded) development list for some time, and we fully agree we need to improve our bibliographic information in Logos. We've made some progress toward building the infrastructure to support this, so you can expect to see improvements at some point in the future.

Thank you, Sean. While I like the new features, fixing the current offering to make it usable without having to find the resource in print or elsewhere online for proper citation would go a long way and be appreciated by anyone that needs to cite their work. Now that Windows 7 is done, I will be looking forward to these quality improvements.

Don Awalt

There is a glimmer of hope that Faithlife will start focusing on the core features - Phil Gons indicated something like this might be coming here. I am just hopeful that we can get highlighted search results in Notes - seems a reasonable request for a software product focused on search and study tools - yet no acknowledgement other than "it's on the list" (behind the empty tomb obviously.)

TCBlack

no acknowledgement other than "it's on the list" (behind the empty tomb obviously.)

I'm sure you know this already but... the empty tomb interactive was handled by a completely different group of programmers. (Actually the programming was minimal, the artwork was handled by non-programmers.)

Point taken though.

Andrew Malone

...without having to find the resource in print or elsewhere online for proper citation would go a long way and be appreciated by anyone that needs to cite their work.

I'm just old enough to distrust much of what I see in metadata. So I usually avoid accepting the resource citation offered by Logos. But I rarely have to find a paper copy or a library catalogue. As I would with a paper book, I scroll to the Title and Copyright pages of the Logos edition, which nearly always tell me what I need. [;)]

JT (alabama24)

I usually to an online tool and enter the book to get the appropriate Bibliography entry and have to fins a paper copy of the book to find the page number.

Which resources are these? Vyrso editions? Most of my "logos edition" resources have page numbers.

Jeffrey Visser

I'm just old enough to distrust much of what I see in metadata. So I usually avoid accepting the resource citation offered by Logos. But I rarely have to find a paper copy or a library catalogue. As I would with a paper book, I scroll to the Title and Copyright pages of the Logos edition, which nearly always tell me what I need.

For the Bibliography, I agree. But some of the resources don't even contain page numbers. It is very hard to cite a source by saying "about 1/3 of the way through the book." The more things are peer reviewed, the harder it becomes.

Jeffrey Visser

Which resources are these? Vyrso editions? Most of my "logos edition" resources have page numbers.

It is a mix of resources. Some are Vyrso and some are Logos. Journals are notoriously bad. If this thread is open next timeI do a research paper, I will add actual resources.

SineNomine

It is a mix of resources. Some are Vyrso and some are Logos.

The Vyrso ones are likely to remain without page numbers. The Logos ones...almost without exception really should have them.

Journals are notoriously bad. If this thread is open next timeI do a research paper, I will add actual resources.

This could be useful information.

Andrew Malone

It is a mix of resources. Some are Vyrso and some are Logos.

The Vyrso ones are likely to remain without page numbers. The Logos ones...almost without exception really should have them.

At the risk of sounding condenscending – and aimed as much to help other readers as Jeffrey – I sometimes encounter resources where page numbers aren't set to display. Is it possible that your resources have the page 'milestones' included but they're just not showing?

Jack Caviness

Journals are notoriously bad.

Many/most of the older journals were done by Galaxie Software. The bibliographic data in these was/is atrocious, and page numbers were totally lacking. This poor quality was one reason FL took over journal publication. FL has been slowly adding the necessary tagging to these volumes—perhaps not as fast as most of us would prefer, but it is getting done, at least I think it is being done.