Logos, Fast Food, Mandarin, Coffee, and Merc - Why It Matters

My intention is not to be a broken record or create another troll, but share some important perspectives:

I live in the 10/40 window. Having Logos in my life meant sacrifice that is equivalent to a house, car, comforts in the family, holidays. Everymonth I still invest what would be equivalent to a nice laptop and did not have room for a hardware upgrade to run Logos 7. I invest in Logos with great suffering, for the value I think it will bring for the community I live in and the generations that follow. This also meant today that my wife was buying her favorite fast food just for kids and forgoing it for herself. When Faithlife releases new software even in future, I expect it to consider me, but it need not be only me nor by forgoing its business interests. I expect the software to run without the bloat i do not need. That means, like Starbucks thinking of every cup of coffee, Faithlife thinking of every instance of Logos and the machines that runs them to the extent possible!

Faithlife is localizing Logos UI in languages like Mandarin. It means users are increasingly in cultures that may not as easily be able to afford a Merc or change it every few years. To us, someone arguing that 'people change Merc every few years', or 'even Merc gets outdated' is bit arrogant or comtemptuous. Faithlife has to ettempt to localize not just the UI, but the business (end to end value chain) and the entire support system. I do not mean attempting the impossible of being everything to everybody.

After paying so much, the Logos 7 shopping experience, and the subsequent painful effort to get it running made me feel like Faithlife does not care (I acknowledge they have stepped in to affirm otherwise in these forums). I know I cannot stop them from saying one day 'we have reached our limit'. I write because I do not think Faithlife has reached there yet; I still trust them a lot!

For the background I come from, Logos meant equivalent of a seminary I could never have, fulfillment of an eagerly sought after life vision of decades to understand scriptures better, the experiences of seeing others impacted and transformed in ways that otherwise may not have happened.

I am incredibly thankful to Bob and Faithlife for making all this uniquely possible, even through Logos 7; to the employees staying awake to make this happen, to the MVPS who step in to help without knowing me.

I WRITE AGAIN FOR LOGOS TO KEEP UP THIS GREAT AND UNIQUE WORK!!!! THANKS!!!!

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MJ. Smith

I expect the software to run without the bloat i do not need.

The problem is that "bloat" is a very personal definition. I think a better way to think of it is that Logos needs to insure that the computer requirements are minimal for features that I do not have the resources or datasets to use. As the upgraded engine is always eventually free, would that meet the need?

DMB

I agree Logos is definitely bloatiferous (combining unwanted air with bits of iron-age metal).

I think bloatiferousness showed up the day Logos4 arrived. Downloading all or nothing. Users dazedly wondering why they need a new PC to run some Bible software. Or SSDs that many never heard of. Then came the Cadallac logic ... want it cheap?, buy a Nova. Oh, by the way, you WILL index or else. You DO want 14,234 mysteriously ranked search results, right?

This year, just the 'features' (all vs starter) cost twice what I paid for my original languages package. And almost what I paid for Hermeneia. Guess which I use more.

Now, you can actually pay Logos annually to load in even more bloatiferous features. I only say that due to the curious lack of forum knowledge about most features ... gotta wait for Dave.

But the refrain is always ... you DO want the best don't you? (MJ's elsewhere, so I won't get in big trouble.)

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/842662#Comment_842662

I've got you surrounded Denise[;)]

Benjamin Varghese

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/842644#Comment_842644

MJ, very grateful that you listened to this post.

As the upgraded engine is always eventually free, would that meet the need?

At this stage Logos 7 is running just fine.

The problem is that "bloat" is a very personal definition.

Agree much of it could be relative to each individual. Remember Logos 4? Faithlife released it with far less features than Logos 3. The argument: that is all what most users need and use. I understand they need to give more and more reasons to get money from customers to stay in business. But that can be attempted without unnecessarily forcing them to spend more money on hardware. I upgraded too as I needed few of L7 features.

Many a times the attempts to make products 'new and improved' could do the opposite experience. As an example, I have a smpartphone. In the name of making it better, the OS gets upgraded and is slow. New versions of the OS and apps are not support on the phone. Old apps stop working acceptabily. My essential usage of the phone did not change much after original purchase. I end up having to discard it.

I understand I may be speaking to lot of people who might consider even the mention of these petty. I live in a culture where the value of money is different. It is not just having a Laptop or Logos an ultra luxury, but being able to read, hear about Jesus once before dying, or having a a decent print bible is. Last week I travelled in small vehicle whose passenger compartment was rusted. That was what the owner could afford. When customer's pay Faithlife to help better expound the parable of the good samaritan, i assume it is not too much to ask for little bit more of mercy. Actually they have shown that in adbundance to me over the years and I am very thankful. They have not said "our software is not for people like you"!