Proverbs Explorer tagging. Is it complete?

Todd Phillips

I was looking at this verse and wondered if it really supported all the themes listed. Killing, war, prayer, purity, sickness? Am I being obtuse?  Or does the data need some cleaning up?

James Taylor

I only see that verse as being tagged with "Saying; War; Creation"

Rick Brannan (Logos)

I believe the Theme information comes from the Preaching Themes dataset. The pericope in question has a number of topics assigned to it, including "War" and "Creation".

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/845604#Comment_845604

James Taylor said:

I only see that verse as being tagged with "Saying; War; Creation"

All of the others still showing on the sidebar match that verse.  The number next to each one indicates the count of the remaining verses on the screen that match each category/facet.  I just didn't bother clicking on them all.

Here it is after I selected each remaining theme, showing that they are associated with that verse:

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/845609#Comment_845609

Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:

I believe the Theme information comes from the Preaching Themes dataset. The pericope in question has a number of topics assigned to it, including "War" and "Creation".

Ahhh, that explains it. If the themes are per pericope then I can see why they are shown for this verse.  This verse (Deuteronomy 25:4) is part of a large pericope in most translations called Miscellaneous Laws that begins at Deut 24:3 and ends at Deut 25:4 in the ESV (other translations are similar).  It clearly touches on all of those topics.

If the themes are scoped at the pericope level, one would have to assume that each one may or may not actually apply to the Proverb in question.  After playing with it a bit, then themes are generally correct, but some stick out like the Deut 24:3 one.  The similar passage in 1Tim 5:8 has several themes (alcohol, angels, sickness) that don't apply to that proverb either but are discussed elsewhere in the pericope:

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/845668#Comment_845668

Todd Phillips said:

If the themes are scoped at the pericope level, one would have to assume that each one may or may not actually apply to the Proverb in question. 

good catch, Todd, that'll teach us not to abandon the context :-)