How do I block the 'marketing' review resources?
Another month ... another 130+ resources of doubtful use ... how can I stop them being added to my library?
A preferable situation would be links on the logos now members page that would allow us to subscribe to them for free ... for the month ... where we could select that which we are curious about.
As it is, I am hiding them in my Library ... slowly ... alt-click etc. is not slow ... slowly because of the indexer :-(
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Martin Folley said:
Another month ... another 130+ resources of doubtful use ... how can I stop them being added to my library?
A preferable situation would be links on the logos now members page that would allow us to subscribe to them for free ... for the month ... where we could select that which we are curious about.
As it is, I am hiding them in my Library ... slowly ... alt-click etc. is not slow ... slowly because of the indexer :-(
What are they this time? I haven't downloaded yet & have not been getting any emails about Now.
I normally enjoy these resources but if they're sending so many two months in a row this could get annoying.
The obvious solution to this, of course, would be to allow selective downloading of resources like they did with Libronix. FaithLife today, however, doesn't seem to care about the problems removing that option has created, despite years of complaints.
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Are you sure that the 130+ were not also updates from resources that you already own? I see only 10 resources that show a temporary license, that are new to me today.
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Kenneth Neighoff said:
Are you sure that the 130+ were not also updates from resources that you already own? I see only 10 resources that show a temporary license, that are new to me today.
I also got 130 temporary resources yesterday, mostly consisting of the Princeton Theology Journal, along with a handful of books. I assume they are part of October's LN Preview resources.
I don't think there's any way to opt out of the monthly preview resources, and considering that FL doesn't tend to tell us in advance, it seems like it would be more trouble to opt in or out after the update happened, depending on whether you found a particular month's book/course useful or not.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Martin Folley said:
Another month ... another 130+ resources of doubtful use ... how can I stop them being added to my library?
I feel your angst. I started a complaint thread about that this morning but decided not to post. Faithlife should reconsider the number of monthly previews - 135 is overkill [:(]
Did you hide them one by one? I hid them in two batches (monographs and journals) and the indexing wasn't bad.
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PetahChristian said:Kenneth Neighoff said:
Are you sure that the 130+ were not also updates from resources that you already own? I see only 10 resources that show a temporary license, that are new to me today.
I also got 130 temporary resources yesterday, mostly consisting of the Princeton Theology Journal, along with a handful of books. I assume they are part of October's LN Preview resources.
I don't think there's any way to opt out of the monthly preview resources, and considering that FL doesn't tend to tell us in advance, it seems like it would be more trouble to opt in or out after the update happened, depending on whether you found a particular month's book/course useful or not.
the master journal 2.1 brought me the Princeton Theological Journals.
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Create a collection with the rule license:permanent and call it "Regular Resources." You might also add language:English. This will cut out the temporary and Perseus books. Set your library collection to Regular Resources and do your searches there instead of all resources. This will automatically leave them out. They will still index and download, but they will not bug you otherwise.
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Justin Gatlin said:
Create a collection with the rule license:permanent and call it "Regular Resources." You might also add language:English. This will cut out the temporary and Perseus books. Set your library collection to Regular Resources and do your searches there instead of all resources. This will automatically leave them out. They will still index and download, but they will not bug you otherwise.
Be aware that all Logos Now resources, not just the monthly previews, are Temporary licenses. This includes interactives, courses, media, manuals, glossaries, etc. I don't think there's an way to automatically identify only the preview resources using a rule. I wish there was.
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Todd Phillips said:
Be aware that all Logos Now resources, not just the monthly previews, are Temporary licenses. This includes interactives, courses, media, manuals, glossaries, etc. I don't think there's an way to automatically identify only the preview resources using a rule. I wish there was.
It sure would be useful to distinguish between different types of temporary resources, and I've seen others including MJ bring this up.
Off the top of my head, there are Now subscriptions, LN monthly preview offerings, Cloud subscriptions, monthly rentals of specific sets of resources, and Mobile Ed subscriptions. Are there any others I've missed?
Has anyone from FL ever mentioned whether this was a simply a low priority that they hadn't gotten around to implementing, or whether there were technical issues which prevent them from further categorizing the type of temporary resources?
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Todd Phillips said:
I don't think there's an way to automatically identify only the preview resources using a rule. I wish there was.
The rule: license:Temporary ANDNOT type:(courseware,manual,glossary) should help to identify all the temporary resources. You could build a Collection using that rule and then hide everything in that collection once a month.
If you've got Logos Cloud they're all temporary resources, so it won't work for Cloud customers.
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GregW said:
The rule: license:Temporary ANDNOT type:(courseware,manual,glossary) should help to identify all the temporary resources.
Not necessarily. I have 31 temporary resources through my LN membership and these include the following types: Bible (2), Bible Harmony (1), Clause Visualization (1), Glossary (3), Grammar (1), Interactive (8), Lectionary (2), Manual (11) and Monograph (2)
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GregW said:Todd Phillips said:
I don't think there's an way to automatically identify only the preview resources using a rule. I wish there was.
The rule: license:Temporary ANDNOT type:(courseware,manual,glossary) should help to identify all the temporary resources. You could build a Collection using that rule and then hide everything in that collection once a month.
It helps, but I wouldn't use it to hide resources. There are monographs included with Logos Now that aren't previews. I have now Logos Now and Verbum Now, so I'm not sure which "Now" these come from. Most are Verbum, but not all:
I'm surprised Modern Christian Theology is still there. It was a preview resource from last month. Actually now that I look at it, most of these may be preview resources that haven't been deactivated yet.
But the last two probably aren't.
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Then after the temporary time, to keep your hard drive clean, shouldn't you do this:
delete unlicensed resources or delete locked resources
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Liam said:
I actually rather enjoy many preview resources each month. I don't really see why they would be a problem. Do people just not like to look at them in their libraries? There's always a chance I might use them each month. Bring em on Logos!
I like them too, the problem is with sending so many across at once that they force a long index. Plus like with last month they were of a sort that there wasn't much practical value in previewing them--they were the sort of thing that either you would know you wanted them for long term research or they were useless.
Meanwhile, the other volumes sent across got lost in the long list of the series volumes. This month, I see a large download waiting for me, but two days in there is no information from FL about what the resources are, not even the titles.
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Sean said:
Meanwhile, the other volumes sent across got lost in the long list of the series volumes. This month, I see a large download waiting for me, but two days in there is no information from FL about what the resources are, not even the titles.
It would be really useful for the upcoming month's preview resources to be published before the end of the current month, so we could plan what we want to read over the next 30 days.
If we have to ask each month for the web site to be updated, perhaps a better system could be put in place that automatically keeps the Now Members pages up to date?
That would also eliminate any oversight on content not fully being updated, such as:
- "Logos Now members save 15–40% on the products below" when the current greatest savings is 58%
- "Lexham discounts valid through September 9" but the discount is still in effect
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Looks like alabama24 just created a suggestion for this: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/16462621-ln-preview-items-preference-toggle
For those who don't like the preview resources: do you not want the preview resources at all, or is this more about the downloading and indexing? For example, if they showed up in your Library each month but didn't automatically download and reindex, would that remove the need to opt out of the previews?
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As the OP ... I would not want anything in my library ... full stop ... unless I explicitly asked for it. There is a logos members page that can have product page links and codes that will allow purchase of sets for $0, with a one month subscription license. The mechanisms are already there ... why would we need to have different coding on the desktop?... Library clutter is part of the problem. Stop the marketing ... solve the problem ... simple!
I must also admit to having concerns over the frequent promotion of UserVoice as a solution. Apart from the historical failure to respond to the issues except on sporadic fits ... as a system it does not work. 10 votes among the myriad of ideas. There are issues in the design of notes / highlighting / labels / tagging / cited by / library management / layouts / layout specific resource setting etc.... all pretty basic stuff. They have been around on the forums for a while.
The cynic in me, unfortunately strong today, would say that it is difficult to market a 'highlighting' feature (or pick any feature from above) ... no fancy videos, no L8 list of features, no marketing hype etc. to simply say that we have finally developed it so that it works beyond the initial attempt. So instead time is spent on 'interactives', 'explorers', and a myriad of 'data types'. rather than the basic features that should be core to the application.
When was the last time that any of the above features materially changed? L4? L5? I would certainly be disquieted if my post resulted in any development time being re-prioritised away from development of the core features!
Having said all that (apologies!) I am also very aware that you and many others from Faithlife are here in the Forums, regularly sorting issues ... and I cannot think of any company, or any size, that is as responsive.
Regards
Martin.
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Looks like alabama24 just created a suggestion for this: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/16462621-ln-preview-items-preference-toggle
For those who don't like the preview resources: do you not want the preview resources at all, or is this more about the downloading and indexing? For example, if they showed up in your Library each month but didn't automatically download and reindex, would that remove the need to opt out of the previews?
I don't think most subscribers will mind or dislike the free previews. I don't think that, given the limited resources FL has to devote to other user requests that are much more urgent, changing something like this should be much of a priority.
You're getting pushback now because this is the second month in a row poor choices have been made in which resources to preview. People don't want large, PD (?) series that they're not going to be able to do much with that just clutter up their libraries.
Meanwhile, I'm starting the third full day of this download pending and STILL no one has been able to inform what exactly all the resources are.
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For those who don't like the preview resources: do you not want the preview resources at all, or is this more about the downloading and indexing?
For me:
- I don't like the downloading and indexing of items I don't own and won't have access to in a month
- I don't want search results to appear for things I don't own and won't have access to in a month
- My time is limited and I don't really have time to review materials... especially not within a month window.
I would perhaps be more interested in "web only" previews. If something came along I had interest in I could view it online.
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And, after downloading the resources (during which time Logos froze and had to be killed twice), I can see why no one has listed them all out.
It's mostly old, 19th century Princeton Journals plus quite a number of books that look primarily to be about the history of Old Testament studies. Way, way too many to be manageable.
FAITHLIFE: Please don't take the NOW preview resources in this direction. Up until last month you did quite a good job selecting them, 2-6 newer works from a wide range of disciplines and interests. Please don't start dumping a ton of public domain resources every month. For many people, they're just clutter. For others--we can get full previews of most PD resources any time we want and for however long we want. We will either use them for free off the internet, or if we really want them in Logos, go ahead and buy them from you. I doubt that the practice these two months is going to lead to all that many sales--probably fewer than the number of people you are annoying with the download dump.
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Martin Folley said:
As the OP ... I would not want anything in my library ... full stop ... unless I explicitly asked for it. There is a logos members page that can have product page links and codes that will allow purchase of sets for $0, with a one month subscription license. The mechanisms are already there
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Martin Folley said:
As the OP ... I would not want anything in my library ... full stop ... unless I explicitly asked for it. There is a logos members page that can have product page links and codes that will allow purchase of sets for $0, with a one month subscription license. The mechanisms are already there ... why would we need to have different coding on the desktop?... Library clutter is part of the problem. Stop the marketing ... solve the problem ... simple!
That would 'simply' solve the problem for you, but it would create a problem for people who enjoy the preview resources, and don't want to have to visit a website every month to download them.
If the preview resources were made 'optional', the minimum that would be required IMO would be an email and/or in-app message that allowed you to 'purchase' a limited licence for those resources, in one-click.
In other words, until the notification problem is solved, nothing else will work.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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alabama24 said:
For me:
- I don't like the downloading and indexing of items I don't own and won't have access to in a month
- I don't want search results to appear for things I don't own and won't have access to in a month
- My time is limited and I don't really have time to review materials... especially not within a month window.
I would perhaps be more interested in "web only" previews. If something came along I had interest in I could view it online.
Couldn't haver said it better myself. This is the second month in a row that my library is cluttered with these preview resources that I will never look at because most of them have no interest for me, because I am already busy with other projects, and because I do not like the heavy-handed marketing. I am beginning to view these previews with the same feeling that I get from a telemarketing call.
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Mark Barnes said:
it would create a problem for people who enjoy the preview resources
agreed, love the preview resources!
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James Taylor said:Mark Barnes said:
it would create a problem for people who enjoy the preview resources
agreed, love the preview resources!
Agreed I have not problem with the concept of preview resources and would not like to have to go to a webpage to opti in every month. I am not even sure what this month's resources are that are causing some such concern. I must already own the resources.
I don't think the concept of preview resources is the issues, it's more a case of what has been offered as a preview recently has not been well thought out and so I wouldn't want to see the baby thrown out with the bath water.
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While some customers don't care what temporary resources are added and removed from their library every month, some do care. Why can't Logos allow customers who care to customize what temporary resources they allow Logos to add to their library every month? It's their library after all.
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
I don't think the concept of preview resources is the issues, it's more a case of what has been offered as a preview recently has not been well thought out and so I wouldn't want to see the baby thrown out with the bath water.
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GregW said:Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
I don't think the concept of preview resources is the issues, it's more a case of what has been offered as a preview recently has not been well thought out and so I wouldn't want to see the baby thrown out with the bath water.
Agreed. I like preview resources, but I really don't think collections should be preview items unless they only consist of a few closely related items (2-5? maybe). Otherwise they become unwanted clutter, IMO.
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Todd Phillips said:
Otherwise they become unwanted clutter, IMO.
That is what the last two months have offered. Most people—including me—do not want to expend the time necessary to sort through dozens of preview resources to see if there is a jewel hidden in the clutter.
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This is true. I have a lot of resources under "License:temporary" that are these types of resources.
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Jack Caviness said:Todd Phillips said:
Otherwise they become unwanted clutter, IMO.
That is what the last two months have offered. Most people—including me—do not want to expend the time necessary to sort through dozens of preview resources to see if there is a jewel hidden in the clutter.
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For those who don't like the preview resources: do you not want the preview resources at all, or is this more about the downloading and indexing? For example, if they showed up in your Library each month but didn't automatically download and reindex, would that remove the need to opt out of the previews?
For me it's a couple of issues. I don't currently have an SSD so there is a significant performance hit, especially with such a large preview. I also tag all my resources and keep my library view sorted by 'my tags' which makes finding newly purchased and downloaded resources effortless. With big downloads like the preview this month, I have to resort to changing my view, searching or waste time tagging temporary resources for resources I am too busy this month to even look at to find my new owned resources. I like the previews as a basic concept, I just want to be able to choose to download or not download each of them each month.
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I wouldn't mind the email or notice on my Logos home page towards the end of the month or at the beginning of the month mentioning what the new month's Logos Now preview products are, allowing me to simply click the link and choose which of them I want to "purchase for one month" and download them to my library to preview. The option for a discounted permanent purchase afterwards is great, however, the unsolicited download and then slow indexing due a large resource that has a very small window of users (Sacred Books of the East, Princeton Theological Review, etc), not so much.
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I got so tired of the endless indexing with preview resources that I opted out of the Logos Now subscription. In balance, this is what tipped me over the edge to opt out!
David
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Benmtzgr said:
The option for a discounted permanent purchase afterwards is great, however, the unsolicited download and then slow indexing due a large resource that has a very small window of users (Sacred Books of the East, Princeton Theological Review, etc), not so much.
The slow indexing is frustrating, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that the Princeton Theological Review contained several articles related to a Mobile Ed course I'm taking.
In retrospect, it was beneficial for that large collection to download and index, as it contained some insight about a specific doctrine that hadn't turned up in any other resource I'd read.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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For those who don't like the preview resources: do you not want the preview resources at all, or is this more about the downloading and indexing? For example, if they showed up in your Library each month but didn't automatically download and reindex, would that remove the need to opt out of the previews?
Thankful for preview resources while would appreciate option to avoid download and indexing. Awesome would be resource Metadata download to Library so could filter by temporary license followed by opening Metadata with option to download resource and index. Ideally Metadata would include resource size.
Logos Web App and Verbum Web App libraries should show temporary resource immediately so Web App could be used for temporary resource access.
For permanent license resources, dreaming of device "Include Resources" Program Setting (default is yes with time to download controlled by "Automatically Download Updates" Program Setting). On devices with smallish storage, being able to open Metadata so can choose to download for this device would be appreciated. Conversely would like Metadata option to remove downloaded resource from this device so can free up space for other resource(s). Awesome would be Library grouping of resources so could quickly remove many from a device.
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For me it would be great to seperate the Monthly LN Resources from the "other" LN temp Resources
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Since we just have 7 Resources this Month here is a Collection that Works
1. tag all temp Resources with Logos Now, than delete the 7 Commentaries for this Month.
2. Built a Collection with License:temp ANDNOT mytag:LogosNow
If I got it right than in this Collection will only show up what is a Monthly Resource.
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Sascha John said:
If I got it right than in this Collection will only show up what is a Monthly Resource.
These are monthly ones.
Dave
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Yes...but it will also show Resources in the future that will come new from Logos Now. These have to be tagged as LogosNow.
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I live in Texas and (tipping the cowboy hat) I'd never want *any* resources on my computer that I didn't examine first-hand First, outside of my computer, and approve before they downloaded. That's even for temporary resources.
I'm ornery enough to not want to be told what is possibly a good resource, and what isn't, and have it force fed to my computer. I want to control my own machine and its contents.
When I was a boy, my Dad was very much against salespeople appearing at our doorstep. They gave us a wide berth.
So having the option to say "no" to automatic preview downloads would be a must for me if I were to ever consider Logos Now. For those who want them, having the option to say "yes" would, of course, be to their liking.
Salute! And another tip of the cowboy hat.
Paul L. White
Satisfied Logos User since 1.6
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What is the current status of this issue? I just finally decided last week to give LN a try and thought it would be a good idea to take a look at the LN Forum. After reading through this thread, I guess I should have checked the forum before joining, because I definitely don't want to deal with the automatic downloading and indexing of large volumes of resources without having any user control options available. Bad enough if done on just one fairly new computer, but I work from three computers and two have standard hard drives. Lack of download and indexing control is not an option I want to deal with.
I still have most of the 30 day period left to cancel my subscription so I'm not overly concerned at the moment, but would like to know where this stands.
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Bump.Rick Ausdahl said:What is the current status of this issue? I just finally decided last week to give LN a try and thought it would be a good idea to take a look at the LN Forum. After reading through this thread, I guess I should have checked the forum before joining, because I definitely don't want to deal with the automatic downloading and indexing of large volumes of resources without having any user control options available. Bad enough if done on just one fairly new computer, but I work from three computers and two have standard hard drives. Lack of download and indexing control is not an option I want to deal with.
I still have most of the 30 day period left to cancel my subscription so I'm not overly concerned at the moment, but would like to know where this stands.
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This is something about which I've been unaware, Rick, and I've subscribed to LN since L7 was released. It hasn't created any adverse issues for me.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Having said that, however, I would prefer not to have temporary items in my library for which I've not asked. Maybe the Logos indexer wouldn't work so much.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Rick Ausdahl said:
I still have most of the 30 day period left to cancel my subscription so I'm not overly concerned at the moment, but would like to know where this stands.
Nothing has changed.
The best you can do for now is to go into settings, and change the "Download between" times to happen when you are not using your computers, or completely turn off automatic downloads.
Some resources might not seem practical or useful, but I have actually benefitted from unexpectedly finding very useful search results in preview resources!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Thanks for the feedback, Bill. It's encouraging, but leaves me a bit puzzled. The OP's first post was in October (after L7 was released), and when Bradley (from Faithlife) responded, he didn't deny it was happening--only asked how people would like to see it handled. I don't see any decision/resolution ever posted after Bradley's response though, so it left me wondering about the status.Bill Moore said:This is something about which I've been unaware, Rick, and I've subscribed to LN since L7 was released. It hasn't created any adverse issues for me.
Just out of curiosity--are you using largish SSDs on fairly new computers? I ask because while that won't address the complaint some people have with library clutter, it would reduce the performance issue caused by indexing as well as any concern about disk space. In my case, the SSD in my newest laptop is only 256GB, so while I'm not too affected by indexing performance, I do have to watch disk space. And while I have plenty of disk space on my other laptop (now 6 yrs old) and my desktop (4 yrs old), those machines are obviously slower due to their older/slower CPUs, but the bigger performance issue is that they are running HDDs which take much longer for indexing.
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That's a good point about disk drives, Rick. I have a 2012 MacBook Pro with a 256GB SSD plus a Transcend 128GB JetDrive Lite storage expansion card for photos and music. For HDD's, the indexing is even more of an annoyance.
The Logos indexer goes at it a lot, it seems, on my computer--too much, in my opinion.
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Thanks, Petah. So I take it you still see large numbers of these resources. I do have automatic downloads turned off on my computer so I do have some control. Unfortunately (at least as far as I'm aware), when notified that downloads are available, there's no way to tell what will be included in the download (nor the size of it), and there's no way to say "yes" to updates for resources I own, but say "no" to the other stuff.PetahChristian said:Rick Ausdahl said:I still have most of the 30 day period left to cancel my subscription so I'm not overly concerned at the moment, but would like to know where this stands.
Nothing has changed.
The best you can do for now is to go into settings, and change the "Download between" times to happen when you are not using your computers, or completely turn off automatic downloads.
Some resources might not seem practical or useful, but I have actually benefitted from unexpectedly finding very useful search results in preview resources!
In any case, thank you for the input.
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Thanks again, Bill! Many times when I open Logos, I may only have 30 minutes or so available and really don't want performance affected by indexing. Maybe it wouldn't feel like such a hit if I could leave Logos up and running on the older laptop and desktop and just schedule the downloads to run when I'm not using them, but to my knowledge, I can't (or at least shouldn't) have Logos up and running on three machines at the same time. That might get me some attention from Faithlife I don't want. [;)]Bill Moore said:That's a good point about disk drives, Rick. I have a 2012 MacBook Pro with a 256GB SSD plus a Transcend 128GB JetDrive Lite storage expansion card for photos and music. For HDD's, the indexing is even more of an annoyance.
The Logos indexer goes at it a lot, it seems, on my computer--too much, in my opinion.
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