Logos on eInk/eReader Device
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Bill Anderson said:
Mark, thanks for posting the pics. Is the load time for the Logos app comparable to the Icarus Faithlife demonstrated in the video on page 1 of this thread? Also, once the Logos app is loaded, about how long does it take to pull up the library and open a resource? Finally, is this device easy to root?
Hi, Bill,
Yes, this device is easy to root. As far as load times go, let me preface my comments by saying that my device is rooted and I am using Link2SD to maximize my user app partition space. So, my Logos is working under a slight handicap. Still, load time for the app itself and for pulling up the library or opening a resource is similar. I've had this C67 for about ten days now so I'm still experimenting a bit with it. I'm also using FolderMount to move Logos data to my external SD card - so I can have more of my resources on this device and still have plenty of room on internal storage for ebooks. (Depending on how someone else uses a device like this, rooting may not be needed.)
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Hey Mark... Have unwrapped the CG7. Nice! But I think I just did something I shouldn't have. With no apps installed I ran Google play, downloaded the Logos Bible App, but it wouldn't install... insufficient space. So I tried to clear up appication space. The hefty files in the 350mb app space was Google Play db files. I deleted them. Bad idea. Now no Google Play... just a blank screen. Great. I have a marooned C67L! I suppose you or anyone else wouldn't know how to get Google Play running again. And then... getting Logos to install. Looks a sweet device... but I'm dead in the water!
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OK... Google Play healed itself! Any ideas what to delete from from the Application space? I have Google Play services (118Mb) and Google Play Store (27Mb) + ??? = 201 mb used and 138mb free. I'll keep looking. Thanks much for any thoughts. It appears to be an excellent device for reading Logos books.
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Hi, Steve,
Sorry for your problems. I thought that Google Play would reinstall itself, and it did. I'm now having a similar problem. I was able to install 5.6.2, but I can't upgrade to 5.7.2, no matter what I do. I can't clear enough space to allow Verbum to upgrade from Google Play. I tried installing the Amazon Appstore and upgrading to 5.7.2 that way. It said I was successful, but I still have 5.6.2 on my C67!
Without rooting and a lot of fooling around, I see two possible solutions. One, install the Amazon Appstore and see if you can install Logos that way. If that doesn't work, then perhaps someone at Faithlife or on this forum will be kind enough to post a link to allow you (us) to directly download the apk and install it.
In the meantime, here is a link to Verbum 5.6.2 from my Dropbox. You can download it from there. Under Settings/Extension/Application setting on the C67, be sure to check "Allow installation from unknown sources". Touch the apk in Downloads or Storage and select "install to SD Card". That will work.
Because of this issue, I'll need to change my recommendation for this device. If you're willing to do some extra work to sideload the app, then Logos/Verbum will work on this device. If you want something easier, go for the Boyue T62+ (or similar devices). It has a much larger user app partition.
Again, sorry for your trouble. I feel responsible as I recommended this device. Once you get Logos installed, it runs fine. Getting it installed/upgraded is the challenge!!!
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I don't want to get in trouble for something that is out of place, but if anyone is interested, I am selling my Boyue t62+ on Amazon for a pretty reasonable price. If you're interested in trying it out.
I've lost too much vision for it to work for me, but it might work for someone else. It's in excellent condition due to the fact that I barely used it.
It's easy enough to root it, put custom roms on, install Google Play, etc and run the Logos app. I just don't need it.
If this is out of place, I apologize.
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No prob Mark. My guess is 5.7.2 is trying to install from Google Play. The C67 was inexpensive and still a fine e-book tablet.
FL... maybe a link to an apk? [H]
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Steve Farson said:
No prob Mark. My guess is 5.7.2 is trying to install from Google Play. The C67 was inexpensive and still a fine e-book tablet.
FL... maybe a link to an apk?
In the meantime, I hope you can install Logos by one of the methods I suggested. Verbum is pretty much like Logos, except for a couple of additional free resources (the Catholic Lectionary and the Douay-Rheims English translation of the Bible).
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Daniel Di Bartolo said:
Let us know what you think!
I would buy an eInk reader that ran Logos. I really miss the send to Kindle feature because I prefer to read Logos documents on an eInk reader. iPads, phones and computers are too hard on the eyes to read for any length of time.
Thanks for looking into this!
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Hey Mark,
How is Logos currently doing on your Onyx Boox C67ML Carta 2? Did the issues get fixed?
I'm thinking about buying that one or the inkbook obisidian.
Thanks
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Ryan Lanning said:
Hey Mark,
How is Logos currently doing on your Onyx Boox C67ML Carta 2? Did the issues get fixed?
I'm thinking about buying that one or the inkbook obisidian.
Thanks
Logos runs fine on my C67. The problem is getting it installed, because Play Store will tell you that you don't have enough room to install it. I needed to install it by sideloading it. The other option is to install Amazon App Store and install Logos/Verbum from there. Again, the trick is to install it! Once installed, it runs well. It will run a bit more slowly than on higher-end Android tablets, but it works fine.
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Mark... Do want to mention a word of "thank-you" for staying on top of the e-book scene, also for the 5.6.2 link. Installed it to the external SD card on the C67 and reading a Logos book right now on it. Thanks again.
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I agree! Thanks!
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You are both very welcome. I also have an iPad, which is less hassle to set up, but e-ink is easier on my eyes for any extended reading. I also enjoy diving into any area I am interested in and learning what I can about it. The e-ink devices (and tablets in general) have become a special interest of mine - one of several! I also enjoy sharing what I have learned if anyone can benefit from it.
It's almost embarrassing to say that I have four tablets: the C67ML Carta 2, the iPad, a Samsung Galaxy Tab S2, and a Dell Venue 8 Pro 5855. It's one hobby that I let myself spend money on, besides books and music. I guess that makes me multi-lingual with various OS options!
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Here is a Dropbox link to Verbum 5.8.3, for anyone who is interested.
By the way, I've found a way to set up my C67ML Carta 2 so that I can download, install and upgrade Logos/Verbum. To do that, I needed to root my device, then create a second partition on my microSD card, and then use Link2SD Plus to move my apps to that second partition, leaving only links in the userdata partition. As a result, although I have over a dozen apps installed (as well as Play Store and Play Services), I have about 260MB free in the 339MB userdata partition. If anyone is interested in that, I can put together a guide, or show you where to find the info.
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Thank you for this information. Do you have a video of it running the Logos app? Is the app smooth or jerky? Just curious.
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Mark Groen said:
Thank you for this information. Do you have a video of it running the Logos app? Is the app smooth or jerky? Just curious.
I don't have a video now, but I'll try to do a little one when I get the chance. If you saw the video linked in the first post on this thread, the speed of my C67 is similar to that. Setting up the Link2SD stuff has slowed my apps down a little, but it's worth it for the extra user app space. Transitions from Home to Passage Guide or Library are fairly smooth, but slow, like that video. Reading, using the scrolling option, is a bit jerky, but not enough to be an issue. Using the tap-to-turn-page option is slightly better. Text is very readable, even though the Logos app isn't designed with e-ink in mind. My device has a 300 dpi screen, which also improves the reading experience. The slowness isn't a problem for me. A few seconds here or there won't make or break my day. The main reason to opt for an e-ink device is if you find that e-ink is easier on your eyes than conventional tablet or smartphone displays. If e-ink is better for you, then the slowness and the work in setting up the device will pay off.
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Definitly interested !
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I've decided I'm going to take the plunge with this. I'm doing an extra service tonight. A church 35 miles from us has a pastor out of town for vacation and so I'm doing their Thanksgiving Eve service and communion tonight.
Pulpit supply fee and mileage going into the fund for one of these. Very thankful for all the input and help in this thread!!!
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I have an Onyx N96ML running Android 4.04, but neither Verbum(5.8.3) nor Logos (5.7.2) would work --- installation was OK, but the screen turned BLACK when I open a book to read
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Andley Chang said:
I have an Onyx N96ML running Android 4.04, but neither Verbum(5.8.3) nor Logos (5.7.2) would work --- installation was OK, but the screen turned BLACK when I open a book to read
Same thing happened to the Onyx T68 that I once had. I was told then that some e-ink devices lack a certain hardware acceleration setting that Logos/Verbum needs to work properly. The other factor is that the minimum Android requirement for Logos/Verbum is 4.1. Not good news for you, I know. Sorry about that.
I know that Logos/Verbum works on the Onyx C67 series and the Boyue T61-T62 series. However, I don't know of any way to tell ahead of time if Logos/Verbum will work properly on any other e-ink device, except for trial-and-error, or (better) by checking with other users before you buy.
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Faithlife had once posted an older version of the app(Logos 4.3.9apk) which did not require the hardware acceleration, you may find it there
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/97266/690350.aspx#690350
Nit
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Dear Nit, thanks for the info. I will give it a try when I have time ... thanks again !!
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Nit said:
Faithlife had once posted an older version of the app(Logos 4.3.9apk) which did not require the hardware acceleration, you may find it there
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/97266/690350.aspx#690350
Nit
Thanks from me as well! I had the 4.3.9 apk once, and I was trying to find it - but to no avail. It will work fine on that Onyx N96. There may be an occasional problem with a resource that will only work with the newer apk, but I suspect that this glitch will be rare.
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Hey Mark that would be great if you could put that guide together when you can.
I am enjoying the Carta 2 but some space is needed because Logos keeps on crashing.
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Ryan Lanning said:
Hey Mark that would be great if you could put that guide together when you can.
I am enjoying the Carta 2 but some space is needed because Logos keeps on crashing.
Hi, Ryan. I had almost forgotten that I had mentioned that. Thanks for the reminder! With any luck, I should be able to put together a guide during the upcoming week. My Carta 2 is working well, with over eighteen user apps (including Logos) installed, as well as Play Store, and still over 270MB of available space in the user app partition (which is 339MB).
You'll need Link2SD Pro and a microSD card to do this project. If you want to have a lot of resources on the Carta 2, with FolderMount, you can move them all to the microSD card as well. I'll include that in the guide, in case anyone is interested. As always with such things, I can't guarantee anything. Moreover, FL can't offer support to such an arrangement. (Their reasoning makes sense to me.) But, from my experience, it should work well for you.
Edit: Here is a link to the guide I used to do this project. If it seems confusing to you, let me know and I'll do one! The only thing I'd correct in the guide is to recommend that you not try to move every apk file to the microSD card. Anything that requires root should stay where it is. Trust me! However, you can move Play Store and Play Services to the sd card without trouble now.
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Thanks Mark! All of that would be great. I have mine rooted and link2sd going but I am having trouble with foldermount to take care of my data. I suppose I am not choosing the right source or destination folder.
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Ryan Lanning said:
Thanks Mark! All of that would be great. I have mine rooted and link2sd going but I am having trouble with foldermount to take care of my data. I suppose I am not choosing the right source or destination folder.
For foldermount, my source is: sdcard/Android/data/com.logos.androidverbum (as I have Verbum). Whatever the corresponding one for Logos is, choose that! Once you get source, foldermount should offer you a destination option. Should be something like external_sd/Android/data/com.logos.androidverbum (or whatever it is for Logos and not Verbum!).
Once you have source and destination, you need to wait a while as foldermount moves the resources to the sd card. Then, you need to find Logos under "list of Pairs" (in foldermount) and make sure that the slider to the right of "Logos" is moved to the right. That will mount your foldermount setup. Then, reboot and you should be good to go.
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Daniel, thank you for posting this. I'm definitely interested.
Is this the same device: https://smile.amazon.com/ICARUS-Illumina-e-reader-screen-Android/dp/B00LN4XJ28/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481502055&sr=8-1&keywords=icarus+ereader
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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I just bought it. Anybody have any experience or feedback on highlights with this?
id love logos to make a simple version of reader for slow eink devices
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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is it possible to root the c67ml carta 2 with a mac?
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does it accept 128gb sd card? If not, what is the maximum capacity?
thanks
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Me too!
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Paulo Bechara said:
does it accept 128gb sd card? If not, what is the maximum capacity?
thanks
The manual says that the C67 can accept a 32 GB sd card. I have tried a 64 GB card and it worked with no problems. I don't know about a 128 GB card.
As far as rooting with a Mac goes, I don't know. I have a Mac, but also run Windows in VMWare Fusion on my Mac - so I use Windows for stuff like this because most rooting procedures are (unfortunately) designed for Windows or Linux. There are apk files like Root Master or Kingo Root that you can install on the C67 and see if they will root the device. Sometimes they work, sometimes not. But going that route comes with a slight risk of getting malware or some other app installed as well. I actually used Root Master to root my C67 and it worked fine. The copy I had didn't have malware in it. I'll see if I still have it. You can also check with the Onyx Boox forum at mobileread.com. People there can give you some helpful tips.
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Mark, thanks very much for your help. I will wait for you reply on the file you might still have.
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Paulo Bechara said:
Mark, thanks very much for your help. I will wait for you reply on the file you might still have.
In case you don't know this already - rooting may void your warranty for your device. If you are okay with that, read on. If not, stop right here.
Here is the Root Master apk. The one I had, I could not find. I believe this is the same one. It's partly in Indonesian and partly in English. Install the apk. Then open the app. Once it's ready, click the middle button "mulai root". A few things will happen and then you'll be presented with two buttons to choose from. Click the right button (it should say "root" amid the other non-English words). It may offer you the same choice one more time. Then, if all goes well, you should see "Root!" among other words. You can then close the app.
Once you have root, you should install superuser or SuperSU next. You can get either free from Google Play Store. Then you should be good to go.
Once you know you have root, and superuser or SuperSU is working properly, uninstall the Root Master app.
If Root Master does not work for you, I'll see what other options I can think of.
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I would purchase a Logos e-reader or purchase one manufactured by a different company if it had access to my library and was easy on the eyes like the kindle.
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Mark said:
Faithlife is not a hardware company and as far as I know there are no plans for it to enter the E-Ink business.
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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) said:
Faithlife is not a hardware company and as far as know there are no plans for it to enter the E-Ink business.
Blessings,
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Speaking of hardware...
Another e-ink option has found its way into my hands (with some help from my gadget budget, now depleted for the year). It's the Boyue T63. It has a 6 inch display, 300 dpi, and a microSD card slot. No headphone jack or audio capability. It has physical page turn buttons (they don't work with Logos, sorry). It runs Android 4.2.2. It has 8GB of internal storage. Similar in a lot of ways to the Onyx C67, but has a more refined look and feel. One big advantage: it has a 1 GB partition for user-installed apps. You won't need Link2SD with this one. One disadvantage: it does not have Google Play Store pre-installed. You'd have to root the device to do that (easy) or just install the Amazon App Store without needing to root. It runs Verbum very well. Very good battery life. Overall, I like it more than the Onyx C67, though the Onyx is very good. It can be bought through Banggood (from Hong Kong). Takes about two weeks for shipping. If the T63 continues to work well, I may decide to sell the Onyx C67. We'll see.
I know that Logos/Verbum will no longer support anything < Android 4.3 after February 1, but Logos/Verbum should continue to work on these E-Ink devices for some time to come. A few resources may not work so well as they are upgraded, though. But the T63 is still a great way for me to read eBooks in general, and will be regardless of what happens with Logos/Verbum.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating. Not every Android e-ink device can run Logos/Verbum. Besides the one featured at the beginning of this thread, only the Onyx C67 and the Boyue T61, T62 & T63 (and their rebranded clones on Icarus, etc.) can run Logos well (as far as I know, based on comments from various people). There are other Android e-ink devices out there, but you'd be taking a risk in buying one before finding out if someone else has been able to install and run Logos on it.
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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) said:
Faithlife is not a hardware company and as far as I know there are no plans for it to enter the E-Ink business.
I know that Kevin. But Microsoft was not a hardware company either...and they made a business decision...
It is something to keep in the back of the mind. I am not for FL becoming a hardware company. But if they felt there was a market (and I realize the market would be too small), then I would be interested. I am not holding my breath. I highly doubt it would be profitable at this point.
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That's what outsourcing is good for. Onyx has produced branded deviced for other non hardware companies before.
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Mark said:Kevin Byford (Faithlife) said:
Faithlife is not a hardware company and as far as I know there are no plans for it to enter the E-Ink business.
I know that Kevin. But Microsoft was not a hardware company either...and they made a business decision...
It is something to keep in the back of the mind. I am not for FL becoming a hardware company. But if they felt there was a market (and I realize the market would be too small), then I would be interested. I am not holding my breath. I highly doubt it would be profitable at this point.
Mark,
I understand your point, but (in my opinion) Microsoft made one of the worst business decisions in the history of computing by thinking they could be a hardware company, which resulted in many billions of dollars of losses year over year. The only reason the company survived at all was their Windows vendor lock-in operating system licensing stranglehold.
That said, I understand what you meant (MS is just a bad example).
In short, I'm simply stating how things currently are as far as I know, with the goal of sharing the information I have. Currently, I don't believe it's in the back of anyone's mind here at Faithlife to become a hardware company or supplier of E-Ink devices. If something changes I'm sure you'll be among the first to know, but longing and hoping in vain can lead to great disappointment.
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Mark said:
Perhaps dream could be partnership of Faithlife (FL) with hardware vendor(s) for "co-branded" device (or one with FL apps preloaded) so FL buys a number of devices for internal use (e.g. development) while partner handles manufacturing along with hardware inventory (so FL avoids risk of unsold hardware).
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Mark said:
Perhaps dream could be partnership of Faithlife (FL) with hardware vendor(s) for "co-branded" device (or one with FL apps preloaded) so FL buys a number of devices for internal use (e.g. development) while partner handles manufacturing along with hardware inventory (so FL avoids risk of unsold hardware).
Keep Smiling
KS4J,
Please see my previous post. False dreams can become nightmares when reality kicks in.
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If you have very big pockets, the massive 13.3" Android e-reader from Good e-Reader will be offering a firmware upgrade to Android 5.0 shortly after release (probably in the next few months).
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Thanks Kevin
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Mark Barnes said:
If you have very big pockets, the massive 13.3" Android e-reader from Good e-Reader will be offering a firmware upgrade to Android 5.0 shortly after release (probably in the next few months).
But can it run Logos? There are several large E-Ink devices that, if you install Logos on them, all you get is a black screen when you open a resource. I'd want to know if it can run Logos before spending that much money on it. Besides, the 4 GB of internal storage is a bit cramped. Otherwise, it has potential. 5.0 would be nice.
I wish there was a way to tell if a device could run Logos without trial-and-error!
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Yes Mark, it can run Logos. That's the point of it, to run the Android ecosystem with an e-ink screen.
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TCBlack said:
Yes Mark, it can run Logos. That's the point of it, to run the Android ecosystem with an e-ink screen.
Not all e-Ink Android devices can run Logos (even though in theory they should). We think it's something to do with hardware acceleration, but no-one is really sure.
I'm sure if someone was interested, the developers would be willing to install the Logos app for you, before you purchased.
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