My Logos Spending Habits
I thought it would be interesting to see how my Logos spending habits have changed over the years. I'm conscious I'm spending less that I used to. My personal circumstances haven't changed — I think the reason for the difference is that (a) as my library has built up, I need less than I used to; and (b) there are fewer 'unmissable' bargains than there used to be.
Anyway, for what it's worth my spending this year (I extrapolated for December) has dropped to only a quarter of what it once was.
My reason for posting is curiosity — is a reduction in spending typical of forum users? (I've deliberately expressed my spending as relative, not absolute values. I don't want the thread to turn into a competition of who has spent what.)
| Year | Total Yearly Spend | Average Spend per transaction |
| 2002 | 0.6% | $104.95 |
| 2003 | 1.0% | $56.97 |
| 2004 | 2.6% | $58.46 |
| 2005 | 2.1% | $75.56 |
| 2006 | 4.9% | $125.00 |
| 2007 | 12.3% | $145.29 |
| 2008 | 22.2% | $78.40 |
| 2009 | 16.5% | $153.38 |
| 2010 | 38.8% | $146.08 |
| 2011 | 52.9% | $126.49 |
| 2012 | 45.5% | $59.24 |
| 2013 | 87.4% | $83.60 |
| 2014 | 100.0% | $69.12 |
| 2015 | 75.7% | $58.98 |
| 2016 | 26.2% | $26.37 |
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Hi Mark
Interesting analysis - but I'm afraid I don't actually understand what is meant by your value and average columns. Can you clarify please?
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Sorry about that. I've renamed the columns.
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Mark,
My spending has decreased mostly due the fact that after investing for many years, Logos 2 Scholars, I have most of the resources I need and want. Actually I have a lot more than I need. I am not really excited about Mobile Ed.
Lastly, Logos Now allows me to be fully updated on the software without having to purchase any resources.
Just the law of diminishing returns and finding contentment with what I have.
Good post.
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Mark Barnes said:
Sorry about that. I've renamed the columns.
Thanks Mark
You got me interested so I've done a similar analysis
Year Total Yearly Spend Avg Spend per transaction 2009 15.3% 246.08 2010 38.1% 94.52 2011 40.7% 65.62 2012 33.6% 47.16 2013 19.1% 27.46 2014 100.0% 70.14 2015 71.2% 37.37 2016 78.6% 50.24 I clearly started later - late 2009.
I am surprised the % spend in 2015/16 is as high as it is!
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Can you explain the middle column? What's the numerator and denominator in the calculation?
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PL said:
Can you explain the middle column? What's the numerator and denominator in the calculation?
It's just the yearly spend as a percentage of the maximum yearly spend.
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Since coming on board tentatively in 2002 and then feet first with Logos 3 I've been blessed to be able to acquire all I really need and, in fact, most of what I really want. So Logos needs to keep adding new customers because all I'm good for now is a decreasing number of odd titles and each new Full Feature/Cross Grade.
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Similar analysis:
Year Yearly spend
2010 8%
2011 8%
2012 100%
2013 30%
2014 37%
2015 45%
2016 38%Well, looks quite stable now, but the encyclopedia of Hebrew and Greek are haunting in the future
https://www.logos.com/product/55646/encyclopedia-of-ancient-greek-language-and-linguistics
https://www.logos.com/product/55687/encyclopedia-of-hebrew-language-and-linguistics
Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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Mark Barnes said:PL said:
Can you explain the middle column? What's the numerator and denominator in the calculation?
It's just the yearly spend as a percentage of the maximum yearly spend.
I don't understand the middle column either (even after the explanation). Are you saying it is the percentage spent of the total amount you allocate for Logos expenditures in a given year? For example, if I have a budget of $1000 for Logos for 2016 and have spent $600 so far, then the middle column would be 60%?
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No, it's not do with budgets but actuals
The 100% represents the highest spent in any year - the smaller figures are percentages of that
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Here's a picture of the amount spent per year since I bought my first Logos 4 base package in 2011. I first invested in Logos when they had the Christmas sale that offered up to 50% credit if you spent $5k or more. Since that was in December, I just lumped 2011 and 2012 together. The percentages are based on the total I've spent on Logos.
I believe the primary reason my spending has gone down is the maturation of my library. I have a fairly good percentage of everything I really, really want. I certainly have a healthy wish list and there's capacity for me to spend more, but it takes exciting sales to really induce me to spend now. I think it's kind of crazy to think what 2016 might look like if Logos 7 hadn't come out.
I suspect there are many similar stories, so it doesn't surprise me that FL had to restructure and are trying different models like Logos Now/Cloud subscriptions.
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2015 was probably my biggest purchase year with the acquisition of the classic commentaries and studies bundle, collectors, baptist diamond (i think it was... maybe portfolio, whatever the big one was), and reformed portfolio.
This year I've spent under 300$ cumulatively.
As to why, I think there are a few important reasons. Firstly, my salesperson was canned. He and the next three that followed him, kept me up to date on sales that I cared about better than the automatic lists I'm on. Plus that whole situation deeply bothered me. I canceled all my pre-pub and CP orders after that.
Then my financial circumstances changed. For the better, and then for the worse. But they are improving again. So I'm hopeful that with 2017 will come a new salesperson and more and deeper investment into Logos.
Finally, after they fired my salesman an encounter in the forums made me re-evaluate the time spent here. I was basically informed (it was implied) I was a net negative influence any way. So because of that I've spent less time here (almost none really) which resulted in less exposure to things I might want from PP and CP. Less exposure to sales. Less temptation to spend here in general.
With the acquisition of a new church building on the horizon, I may have more room for physical books soon any way.
Things are improving. But I don't expect to be purchasing like I was until maybe q3 next year.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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My figures are:
2009 1.8%
2010 5.0%
2011 100%
2012 47.2%
2013 52.7%
2014 52.0%
2015 37.4%
2016 32.4%2011 was high because the Christmas sale was particularly good - the Christmas credit encouraged me to bring forward purchases.
I've grown more cautious on purchases as, more than once, I purchased high priced items only to find them reduced even more 6 or 12 months later. As to your assertion that there are fewer unmissable bargains, I wonder whether that is simply a side effect of having a larger library? I had to work hard to find value in my Logos 7 upgrade, but the job would have been a lot easier if I hadn't purchased Hermeneia and Continental at what I thought was a killer 50% off last year.
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Graham Criddle said:
No, it's not do with budgets but actuals
The 100% represents the highest spent in any year - the smaller figures are percentages of that
I still don't get it. What is the ratio (i.e., numerator and denominator)?
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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The denominator is the highest total amount you spent in any year.
The numerator is the total amount you spent in the year being calculated.
Think of it as similar to the spark charts where the highest line (1 full unit) is the most occurrences in any book and other books are given as a percentage of that.
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MJ. Smith said:
The denominator is the highest total amount you spent in any year.
The numerator is the total amount you spent in the year being calculated.
Given that, my numbers look thus. So what is this telling me? I bought my biggest base packages the first year (thus the higher average per purchase). 2011 was my biggest year, due to some really good sales that year. (If some of you newbies are wondering why the old-bies are grousing about no more good sales, 2011 gives you the empirical evidence we aren't smoking bad crack.) You can also see where I became disillusioned with FL's direction about 2013. This year wouldn't look any different than 2015 except for the necessary costs of upgrading to L7.
[Looks like FL peaked in 2011, based on others' numbers.]
YEAR AVG PER % OF 2011 2009 $ 122.46 67% 2010 $ 32.88 49% 2011 $ 64.75 100% 2012 $ 36.43 40% 2013 $ 18.27 51% 2014 $ 17.66 34% 2015 $ 9.38 20% 2016 $ 15.97 38%
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Fun! My stats are:
Year % of 2014 AVG Transaction
2011 1.8% $12.58
2012 78.8% $93.34
2013 43.8% $49.76
2014 100.0% $90.80
2015 47.0% $32.01
2016 20.3% $25.112014 was the year I finished my MA, I put reduced spending down to reduced time for study but also significant spending on other platforms which carry resources unavailable in Logos. I've said in an email to Bob that I'm wanting to spend the money here because I find the fragmentation difficult to work with but if a resource isn't available from faithlife then I have to go elsewhere.
John
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On reflection its hard to figure out if these numbers are useful. I think they might want correlating with time spent using the software etc.
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Graham Criddle said:
You got me interested so I've done a similar analysis
Year Total Yearly Spend Avg Spend per transaction 2009 15.3% 246.08 2010 38.1% 94.52 2011 40.7% 65.62 2012 33.6% 47.16 2013 19.1% 27.46 2014 100.0% 70.14 2015 71.2% 37.37 2016 78.6% 50.24 I clearly started later - late 2009.
I am surprised the % spend in 2015/16 is as high as it is!
And now I am ever more surprised as I clearly spoke too soon! 2016 is now my highest spending year with some "unexpected" purchases in the last few weeks. Including prepubs expected to ship by the end of the year my figures are now:
Year Total Yearly Spend Avg Spend per transaction 2009 14.8% 246.08 2010 36.9% 94.52 2011 39.4% 65.62 2012 32.5% 47.16 2013 18.5% 27.46 2014 96.8% 70.14 2015 69.0% 37.37 2016 100.0% 56.48 0 -
I am far too ashamed to post numbers, but there has been a precipitous drop off in my spending over the last two years. Partially because my library has been built up but in large part because my financial situation has changed.
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I did an analysis of my spending, and it's clearly been limited by my variable financial situation. There is still plenty that FL sells--considering even just Live resources--that I would like to acquire and would actively use if I owned, so until that changes, my finances and FL's sales and discounts will continue to determine my spending.
At this point, I already have a library that already serves me well, but I would benefit meaningfully by adding to it carefully, so I plan to continue to do so, according to my means.
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