Sermon Outlines in Sermon Starter Guide

Armin
Armin Member Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I am not sure if I am missing here something. I have numerous resources that do not contain full sermons but sermon outlines (e.g., the resources that are part of the Sermon Outline Series). However, none of these resources show up when I run the Sermon Starter Guide. It would be great if they were included in this guide.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,207

    Some of them are internally tagged by Logos and I have tagged them as below

    They will appear in the Sermons section e.g. for Psalms, under their Author (Al Bryant for Psalms)

    Select an appropriate "Sermon on the mount" to get resource #8 e.g. Mt 5:1-2

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Kyle G. Anderson
    Kyle G. Anderson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,242

    We treat Sermons Proper as something distinct from Sermon Outlines.

    However, we have begun to add Sermon Outline labels to sermons. This will make these resources searchable via label search. I'm not able to check at the moment but if I recall, the titles you highlight were just updated (or about to be updated) so that they would be searchable by running a label search.

  • Armin
    Armin Member Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭

    We treat Sermons Proper as something distinct from Sermon Outlines.

    However, we have begun to add Sermon Outline labels to sermons. This will make these resources searchable via label search. I'm not able to check at the moment but if I recall, the titles you highlight were just updated (or about to be updated) so that they would be searchable by running a label search.

    Thanks, Kyle. Yes, these Sermon Outline resources were just updated.

    It looks like some of the tagging is still not perfect. I tried Dave's example and it worked. However, when I ran the Sermon Starter Guide for John 15:1-17, the sermon outline from "Outlines on the Parables of Jesus" did not show up in the Sermon Starter Guide, even though this resource has a sermon outline on this passage.

    If I use the tags to create a collection with Sermon Outlines, which I then include in the Sermon Starte Guide, I get 396 research results. That's a bit overwhelming, especially as I have to click about 20 times the "more" button to get a few more results.

    My suggestion is for Logos to modify the Sermon Starter Guide to contain a section not only on Sermons but also on Sermon Outlines. 

  • Kyle G. Anderson
    Kyle G. Anderson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,242

    Armin said:

    We treat Sermons Proper as something distinct from Sermon Outlines.

    However, we have begun to add Sermon Outline labels to sermons. This will make these resources searchable via label search. I'm not able to check at the moment but if I recall, the titles you highlight were just updated (or about to be updated) so that they would be searchable by running a label search.

    Thanks, Kyle. Yes, these Sermon Outline resources were just updated.

    It looks like some of the tagging is still not perfect. I tried Dave's example and it worked. However, when I ran the Sermon Starter Guide for John 15:1-17, the sermon outline from "Outlines on the Parables of Jesus" did not show up in the Sermon Starter Guide, even though this resource has a sermon outline on this passage.

    If I use the tags to create a collection with Sermon Outlines, which I then include in the Sermon Starte Guide, I get 396 research results. That's a bit overwhelming, especially as I have to click about 20 times the "more" button to get a few more results.

    My suggestion is for Logos to modify the Sermon Starter Guide to contain a section not only on Sermons but also on Sermon Outlines. 

    Right. The sermon starter guide isn't set up to pull in sermon outline labels into the sermons section. Our plan (hope?) is to add a separate Sermon Outline section in the Guide.

    Right now we're priming the pump by adding the necessary sermon outline labels to older resources. That way when (if?) the sermon outline section goes live, users will have plenty of resources already ready to go. This is a reverse to our process with the sermon and journals section where we built the guide and then updated resources.

    I have a few hundred titles that I'd like to get marked up so that until the section goes live you will at least be able to use Dave's example.

  • Armin
    Armin Member Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭

    Hi Kyle,

    Excellent. And I agree with your approach: first adding labels, then updating the guide.

    Armin

  • Jason A. Smith
    Jason A. Smith Member Posts: 4 ✭✭

    Is there an update on this yet? There was an email sent out today (subject line "How to Import a Pre-Made Outline into Your Sermon from the Logos Bible Software Blog") that shows that Logos Now users are able to get their sermon outlines from their resources in the Sermon Starter Guide. But in my Mac Version of Logos, I still don't have any outlines showing in the 'sermon outlines' section of the guide for any of my Baker Sermon Outline resources.

  • Kyle G. Anderson
    Kyle G. Anderson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,242

    Is there an update on this yet? There was an email sent out today (subject line "How to Import a Pre-Made Outline into Your Sermon from the Logos Bible Software Blog") that shows that Logos Now users are able to get their sermon outlines from their resources in the Sermon Starter Guide. But in my Mac Version of Logos, I still don't have any outlines showing in the 'sermon outlines' section of the guide for any of my Baker Sermon Outline resources.

    The entire Baker Sermon Outline collection has been tagged with the necessary mark-up to feed the Sermon Starter Guide.

    Could you open your version of Expository Outlines from the Pentateuch and tell me what version of the resource you have. You can find it by opening the information panel for the resource and scrolling to the bottom.

    You should have a resource version of 

    LLS:EXPOUTLINES01GE

    2016-12-15T18:53:25Z

    EXPOUTLINES01GE.logos4

  • Jason A. Smith
    Jason A. Smith Member Posts: 4 ✭✭

    Hi Kyle. I have the version that you refer to

    LLS:EXPOUTLINES01GE


    2016-12-15T18:53:25Z


    EXPOUTLINES01GE.logos4

    I received an email today which included a response to my review of the Baker Sermon Outline collection telling me that only those who are Logos Now members and Logos Cloud subscribers have the ability to populate sermon outlines in the sermon starter guide. I was told that it will be more broadly available in Logos 8 for everyone else. The tagging is now there, but the outlines will not show in my guides until I pony up more money when Logos 8 comes out (whenever that is)...