Citation reference for JFB - problems since 4.0b

I'm almost positive that this started with 4.0b because I have earlier notes that I copied and pasted from JFB that didn't exhibit this problem:

5. I … come near … to judgment—I whom ye challenged, saying, “Where is the God of judgment?” (Mal 2:17). I whom ye think far off, and to be slow in judgment, am “near,” and will come as a “swift witness”; not only a judge, but also an eye-witness against sorcerers; for Mine eyes see every sin, though ye think I take no heed. Earthly judges need witnesses to enable them to decide aright: I alone need none (Ps 10:11; 73:11; 94:7, &c.).
Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., Fausset, A. R., Brown, D., & Brown, D. (1997). A commentary, critical and explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments (Mal 3:5). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Notice that Fausset and Brown are listed twice in the citation reference. Any idea why? Everything I copied and pasted from JFB in 4.0a didn't do this.

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Ron

Can someone else do a copy and paste from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown into Word, OneNote, the Forum, wherever and see if you see the same thing? It is not a huge problem, but strange and a small nuisance to have to edit the citation reference when I happen to use a JFB clip in my class handout.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/105665#Comment_105665

1. judgments—rules for regulating the procedure of judges and magistrates in the decision of cases and the trial of criminals. The government of the Israelites being a theocracy, those public authorities were the servants of the Divine Sovereign, and subject to His direction. Most of these laws here noticed were primitive usages, founded on principles of natural equity, and incorporated, with modifications and improvements, in the Mosaic code.
Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, A. R. Fausset et al., A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), Ex 21:1.

Mine didn't, but my citation style is set on Turabian. I think yours is set differently.

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/105671#Comment_105671

Mine didn't, but my citation style is set on Turabian. I think yours is set differently.

Well, while yours didn't do the same thing as mine, it did list Fausset twice and Brown not at all...very strange.

Mine is set to whatever the default is. Does it pull this info from Metadata? Or from somewhere else?

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/105688#Comment_105688

I'm bumping this one last time...is there somewhere else I should be reporting this problem? I tried both here and in the Beta Forum. Here, I just got the one reply from Todd...in Beta, it didn't get any attention (although my post happened to coincide with the 4.0cB1 release, so that didn't help).

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/106262#Comment_106262

I'm bumping this one last time...is there somewhere else I should be reporting this problem? I tried both here and in the Beta Forum. Here, I just got the one reply from Todd...in Beta, it didn't get any attention (although my post happened to coincide with the 4.0cB1 release, so that didn't help).

Ronald, I created a bug report - http://wiki.logos.com/Bug$3a_Citation_incorrect_for_JFB_Commentary

This will get some attention!

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/106577#Comment_106577

Ronald, I created a bug report

Thanks Dave!

Melissa Snyder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/106702#Comment_106702

This has been submitted.

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/114833#Comment_114833

This has been submitted.

Thanks Melissa

Melissa Snyder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/114899#Comment_114899

This has been fixed and the citation in the resource should display correctly now.

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/115771#Comment_115771

This has been fixed and the citation in the resource should display correctly now.

[Y] Thanks! I'll give it a try when I get home this evening.

Chuck P.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/115818#Comment_115818

And how do you get the update? Tried Update Now and have no updates, Mine is still showing "



Jamieson,
R., Fausset, A. R., Fausset, A. R., Brown, D., & Brown, D. (1997).".

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/115771#Comment_115771

This has been fixed and the citation in the resource should display correctly now.

I still have the problem in 4.0c beta2. BTW, it's the footnote citation that's wrong, not the bibliographic citation. The footnote format doesn't show in the resource--you have to copy text from the resource and paste it in an editor to see the footnote form.

Melissa Snyder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/115864#Comment_115864

I still have the problem in 4.0c beta2. BTW, it's the footnote citation that's wrong, not the bibliographic citation. The footnote format doesn't show in the resource--you have to copy text from the resource and paste it in an editor to see the footnote form.

His post was about the duplicate names in the bibliographic citation that is copied with text. This is the same citation that you'll find in the Resource Information panel of a resource. The Library Manager was corrected and changes released to users, just as metadata changes are. It is corrected in the JFB on my system now. (See citation below in Turabian format.) Sometimes it is necessary to restart Logos 4 twice to see the changes.

Jamieson, Robert, A. R. Fausset and David Brown. A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/116477#Comment_116477

I still have the problem in 4.0c beta2. BTW, it's the footnote citation that's wrong, not the bibliographic citation. The footnote format doesn't show in the resource--you have to copy text from the resource and paste it in an editor to see the footnote form.

His post was about the duplicate names in the bibliographic citation that is copied with text. This is the same citation that you'll find in the Resource Information panel of a resource. The Library Manager was corrected and changes released to users, just as metadata changes are. It is corrected in the JFB on my system now. (See citation below in Turabian format.) Sometimes it is necessary to restart Logos 4 twice to see the changes.

Jamieson, Robert, A. R. Fausset and David Brown. A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.

The footnote citation format is different from the bibliographic citation format (This page shows the differences for the Turabian style).

The bibliographic citation is what is shown in the Resource Information panel, which is fine:

Jamieson, Robert, A. R. Fausset and David Brown. A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.

But here are quotes (pasted directly from Logos) with footnote citations that show the problem (i.e., both Fausset's and Brown's names are doubled) in a variety of styles:

Turabian:

It is a fundamental requisite of all true religion that it tend to humble the sinner and exalt God;
Robert
Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, A. R. Fausset et al., A Commentary, Critical
and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos
Research Systems, Inc., 1997), Ro 3:31.

Chicago manual of style:

It is a fundamental requisite of all true religion that it tend to humble the sinner and exalt God;
Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, A. R. Fausset et al., A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments, Ro 3:31 (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997).

APA:

It is a fundamental requisite of all true religion that it tend to humble the sinner and exalt God;
Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., Fausset, A. R., Brown, D., & Brown, D. (1997). A commentary, critical and explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments (Ro 3:31). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Harvard:

It is a fundamental requisite of all true religion that it tend to humble the sinner and exalt God;
Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, A. R. Fausset, David Brown and David Brown, A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997). Ro 3:31.

RIS:

It is a fundamental requisite of all true religion that it tend to humble the sinner and exalt God;

TY - BOOK

T1 - A commentary, critical and explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments

A1 - Jamieson, Robert

A1 - Fausset, A. R.

A1 - Fausset, A. R.

A1 - Brown, David

A1 - Brown, David

Y1 - 1997///1997

SP - Ro 3:31

CY - Oak Harbor, WA

PB - Logos Research Systems, Inc.

ER -

FYI, I've restarted Logos many times.

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/116477#Comment_116477

His post was about the duplicate names in the bibliographic citation that is copied with text. This is the same citation that you'll find in the Resource Information panel of a resource. The Library Manager was corrected and changes released to users, just as metadata changes are. It is corrected in the JFB on my system now. (See citation below in Turabian format.) Sometimes it is necessary to restart Logos 4 twice to see the changes.

Sorry Melissa, I forgot to check this yesterday when I got home. But Todd is correct, the problem still exists. It is the footnote citation that is incorrect:

22. but if thou canst do anything, have compassion on us, and help us—“us,” says the father; for it was a sore family affliction. Compare the language of the Syrophoenician woman regarding her daughter, “Lord, help me.” Still nothing is done: the man is but struggling into faith: it must come a step farther. But he had to do with Him who breaks not the bruised reed, and who knew how to inspire what He demanded. The man had said to Him, “If Thou canst do.”

Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., Fausset, A. R., Brown, D., & Brown, D. (1997). A commentary, critical and explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments (Mk 9:22). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Fausset and Brown are both there twice.

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/116596#Comment_116596

On a semi-related note, I did notice a change to the title and the short title of JFB. They used to be "Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown" and JFB. They are now "A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments" and CCEONT. I know that is the actual title of the commentary, but I'm fairly confident that everybody knows them better as JFB. Every time I see one of my tabs that says CCEONT, I think "what in the heck is that?" I know that I can change the Title and Short Title myself, but I'm curious why that decision was made? I think it was better before. JMHO