Lexham HDNT reverse interlinear

Kolen Cheung
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edited December 2024 in English Forum

It is suggested to create a reverse interlinear of the HDNT (ESV) with the Discourse Greek New Testament (NA27). i.e. a reverse interlinear with discourse analysis.

Thanks.

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  • Alan Macgregor
    Alan Macgregor Member Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭

    It is suggested to create a reverse interlinear of the HDNT (ESV) with the Discourse Greek New Testament (NA27). i.e. a reverse interlinear with discourse analysis.

    Thanks.

    The Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament is already interlinear. I'm not sure that inserting the Greek text as a reverse interlinear in LHDNT would achieve much more. I must admit that I find Reverse Interlinears pretty unhelpful, but that's perhaps biased because I can read the Greek text without help.

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  • Kolen Cheung
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    but that's perhaps biased because I can read the Greek text without help.

    You are right. As a layman who are not proficient in Greek, reverse interlinear is VERY helpful. And it should still be very helpful for those who know Greek since you cannot (I suppose) to read the Greek only, right? For daily devotional, listening to messages, communicating, etc., you still need to have an English Bible. And reverseinterlinear make it possible to "read" the original thing in daily life. One can know which part the translation ESV is not that accurate that they can study the Greek more on that part. It allows to see how the translation is translated very quickly, and I will say it is the quickest way to see that.

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,173

    I am not sure what you mean. If you want the Greek Text with Discourse Analysis then http://www.logos.com/products/details/3887

    If just the English text based on the Esv http://www.logos.com/products/details/3831

    How is the above resource different from what you want?

    Ted.

     

     

    Support       16 Οὕτως   γὰρ   ἠγάπησεν     θεὸς   τὸν   κόσμον  
    οὕτως γάρ ἀγαπάω θεός κόσμος
    B CLX VAAI3S DNSM NNSM DASM NASM
    61.10 89.23 25.43 92.24 12.1 92.24 9.23
    in this way for loved [-] God the world

    Sub-Point       ὥστε   τὸν   υἱὸν   τὸν   μονογενῆ   ἔδωκεν  
    ὥστε υἱός μονογενής δίδωμι
    CAR DASM NASM DASM JASM VAAI3S
    89.61 92.24 10.42 92.24 58.52 57.71
    so that his Son [-] one and only he gave

    Sub-Point       ἵνα   [ TP   πᾶς     πιστεύων   εἰς  
    ἵνα πᾶς πιστεύω εἰς
    CAP JNSM DNSM VPAP-SNM P
    89.59 59.24 92.24 31.85 84.16
    in order that everyone [-] who believes in
    αὐτὸν   TP ]   ( B   μὴ   ἀπόληται   B )  
    αὐτός μή ἀπόλλυμι
    RP3ASM BN TN VAMS3S
    92.11 69.3 20.31
    him [will] not perish

    Bullet       ἀλλ ̓   ( A   ἔχῃ   ζωὴν   αἰώνιον   A )  
    ἀλλά ἔχω ζωή αἰώνιος
    CLC VPAS3S NASF JASF
    89.125 57.1 23.88 67.96
    but will have life eternal

    Support       17 οὐ   γὰρ   ἀπέστειλεν     θεὸς   τὸν   υἱὸν  
    οὐ γάρ ἀποστέλλω θεός υἱός
    BN TN CLX VAAI3S DNSM NNSM DASM NASM
    69.3 89.23 15.66 92.24 12.1 92.24 12.15
    [did] not for send [-] God his Son
    εἰς   τὸν   κόσμον  
    εἰς κόσμος
    P DASM NASM
    84.22 92.24 9.23
    into the world

    Sub-Point       ( B   ἵνα   κρίνῃ   τὸν   κόσμον   B )  
    ἵνα κρίνω κόσμος
    CAP VPAS3S DASM NASM
    89.59 56.30 92.24 9.23
    in order that he should judge the world

    Sub-Point       ἀλλ ̓   ( A   ἵνα   σωθῇ     κόσμος  
    ἀλλά ἵνα σῴζω κόσμος
    CLC CAP VAPS3S DNSM NNSM
    89.125 89.59 21.27 92.24 9.23
    but in order that should be saved the world
    δι ̓   αὐτοῦ   A )  
    διά αὐτός
    P RP3GSM
    90.8 92.11
    through him



    Runge, S. (2008; 2008). The Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament (Jn 3:15–17). Logos Research Systems, Inc.


     

     

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  • Alan Macgregor
    Alan Macgregor Member Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭

    Actually, I can and do read Greek only. It's the best way to become proficient.

    Using the Greek text in church is brilliant, as you can follow it when the English is being read. It is also an excellent way to learn Hebrew. My Hebrew is not as good as my Greek, but I can follow a reading in a church service. Using the Greek text for daily devotions, especially if you are only reading a few verses is really helpful, particularly if you are using Bible reading notes. Of course, knowing the English text is important also. That's why I read the Bible right through every year, as I have been doing now for twenty years.

    Recently, I've been using the Greek Audio New Testament in Logos 3 which is tied to the NA27 text. (I don't think it is implemented in L4 yet). You can slow down the reading to keep pace with your reading speed. It is a really good way to bring the language alive and give you a sense of its rhythms.

    How ever you do it, interlinears, reverse-interlinears, dictionaries, whatever, keep working at it, brother. Proficiency in Greek is a goal well worth achieving.

    Every blessing,

    Alan

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  • Kolen Cheung
    Kolen Cheung Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭

    Recently, I've been using the Greek Audio New Testament in Logos 3 which is tied to the NA27 text. (I don't think it is implemented in L4 yet).

    It is, I am using it in Logos4. But it cannot be slow down here.

    Proficiency in Greek is a goal well worth achieving.

    Thanks! It is encouraging to see that one can even use the original text for the daily devotion! That's what I want to pursue!

  • Kolen Cheung
    Kolen Cheung Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭

    Ted Hans said:

    I am not sure what you mean.

    I have the one you mentioned, but it is a Greek text interlinear, on GDNT. What I want to ask for is a English text reverse interlinear, on HDNT.

  • Ted Hans
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  • Kolen Cheung
    Kolen Cheung Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭

    But that's still interlinear, but not reverse interlinear. Without "reverse", the English order is weird.

    Anyway, thanks!