NASB in Paragraph Format
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Perhaps by Thursday he meant "Friday".
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Those who are running the Logos Beta version will see an update addressing the visual filter today. I've started another thread with feedback about that update to keep it from cluttering up this thread.
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Thanks Mark, I am not running the beta at the moment. I look foward to seeing your feedback on the changes to the FL team.
Mark Smith said:Those who are running the Logos Beta version will see an update addressing the visual filter today. I've started another thread with feedback about that update to keep it from cluttering up this thread.
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Mark Smith said:
Those who are running the Logos Beta version will see an update addressing the visual filter today. I've started another thread with feedback about that update to keep it from cluttering up this thread.
Thanks. I had to rush out yesterday before I could respond. This is what I was referencing when I said there would be news on Thursday.
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Mark Smith said:
Those who are running the Logos Beta version will see an update addressing the visual filter today. I've started another thread with feedback about that update to keep it from cluttering up this thread.
Thanks Mark.
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
This is what I was referencing when I said there would be news on Thursday.
Kyle,
Viewing Mark’s screenshot of the beta visual filter reinforces my belief that relying on a visual filter alone will not adequately address the problems created by the removal of the original NASB verse format. The beta visual filter only reflects one change (the removal of extra spacing between verses). All other differences between the original verse formatting and the visual filter remain. There was also no mention in the release notes of the restoration of “fully formatted” verse styles to the Copy Bible Verses tool.
Please in addition to your efforts to improve the visual filter, provide NASB owners with two separate resources at no additional charge (one verse formatted and one paragraph formatted).
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Mark Smith said:
I am not so impressed by what has happened to the old verse at a time view.
Extraneous space between verses if one retains non-Bible text (which I want to do).
Here is an example with non-Bible text enabled:
There are blank lines dividing verses that cover a single sentence. Not good.
Here is the same text with non-Bible text not enabled:
What I want (and I imagine almost everyone else would want) is for the text to look like the lower example when non-Bible text is enabled. That will come pretty close to what we had before paragraph formatting was added in.
This should be improved in 7.7.
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Philana R. Crouch said:Mark Smith said:
What I want (and I imagine almost everyone else would want) is for the text to look like the lower example when non-Bible text is enabled. That will come pretty close to what we had before paragraph formatting was added in.
This should be improved in 7.7.
Philana: I am excited about these fixes, because they extend to the KJV as well the NASB. Are these same fixes going to be applied to the mobile apps?
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Thanks Philana!
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I have been ignoring this thread since I first posted to it back in April, residing in my blissfully ignorant usage of L3 and my line-per-verse version of 95. I clicked on this thread just now and was horrified to hear what had happened to my preferred Bible in L7! Plain and simple, this is
!!!! FREAKING OUTRAGEOUS !!!!
and totally unacceptable! AS IT WAS, PLEASE.
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David Paul said:
I have been ignoring this thread since I first posted to it back in April, residing in my blissfully ignorant usage of L3 and my line-per-verse version of 95. I clicked on this thread just now and was horrified to hear what had happened to my preferred Bible in L7! Plain and simple, this is
!!!! FREAKING OUTRAGEOUS !!!!
and totally unacceptable! AS IT WAS, PLEASE.
Well gee Paul - that's just too bad isn't it?!! Long term users like you and I have already invested heavily in this outfit so what we want is no longer important. Only those who want the paragraph format are important now. Do you want the verse numbers to outline the paragraph breaks instead of all being in bold? Too bad - only those who want the paragraph format count now. Do you want the chapter numbers at the head of the chapter breaks? Too bad - you're not important to FaithLife now. Do you want the poetical passages to stand out like they used to? Too bad for you, That's not what the paragraph users want. You want to highlight a verse number? Too bad...
I am so fed up with this organization that if I didn't have 10s of thousands of dollars tied up in it I'd be gone in a shot.
All I can suggest is that we continue to complain about it. After all, that's what got to paragraph lovers what they wanted isn't it?!!!
Just be aware that when the 'My FL/Logos can do no wrong" lovers see our concerns they'll be out in force telling us what bad people we are for not toeing the line.
Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.
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As one humble Logos User to another, could I request that my brothers extend a little grace as a reflection of the grace that is offered by our God?
You are not being ignored! Your voice has been heard! Logos is working to fix the situation
Three different Faithlife Employees have reported in the last 2 weeks that changes are being made, and more changes are already in the pipeline.
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The problem is Dav that nothing was broken and overnight without thought of the consequences or regards to the needs of all users FL reacted to the advice of a couple of people who wanted paragraph format.
These unique features of the NASB95 format, as described by Alex above are what set this translation's format apart from the rest of the translations format's. Back in the day we purchased the NASB library package for both the translation and the format of the translation. FL's actions and fixes so far show they don't get why they have some very upset customers on their hands.
Real people paid for the format that the NASB95 used to display. The fix is nowhere near what the original format offered. I think they have a right to voice their unhappiness with FL.
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I've used the NASB as my primary translation since it first came out, and I think that the "unique" features you speak of are really of minor importance. Most if not all users of the NASB95 use it for the quality of the translation more than anything else. In fact the original NASB was in paragraph format.
Most sermons I've heard usually start with a verse, which is usually in the middle of a paragraph. I for one enjoy the new format that encourages me to notice this, instead of looking for a bold verse number. Reading in context is always better.
But each to his own
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Disciple of Christ,
Why can't you follow 1 Cor 13:4-7 instead of being the accuser without any facts to back them up. The church already has one accuser we don't need another.
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Bobby Terhune said:
I've used the NASB as my primary translation since it first came out, and I think that the "unique" features you speak of are really of minor importance. Most if not all users of the NASB95 use it for the quality of the translation more than anything else.
Yes, Bobby!! I also used the NASB95 as my primary translation since 2004 until about 2 years ago (and it is still in all of my saved layouts). I get the differences. I (with you) preferred the NASB because of the translation philosophy more than the layout. I really liked the verse by verse layout when creating my own Hebrew/English Interlinear for study. So I get why some REALLY preferred the old verse by verse layout.
I am just fatigued by the hyperbole of "Faithlife doesn't care about customers" or "Faithlife isn't listening to me"
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Bobby Terhune said:
The church already has one accuser we don't need another.
First of all, DOC is not accusing the church of anything at all. He is airing his grievances to a business that he thinks made a poor decision.
Secondly, comparing him to Satan for airing his complaints is just sad. So sad that it is beyond my comprehension.
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Bobby
1) the facts are out in the open plain to see for everyone in a number of threads on this issue and I am not speaking alone. Do you research before acting out in the manner you have here.
2) It is other customers who have called out the loss of the unique features of the NASB95 formatting in this and other threads. So why are you taking me to task for articulating the concerns of other fellow users?
3) Why do you think you think using scripture out of context in order to accuse someone of being like Satan an appropriate way to show you disagree with them?
FL is a business they take money from customers for profit. Customers have the right to give feedback on these forums about disatisfacation with FL's decisions. Every customer has a right to their view and a right to express it.
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David Thomas said:
I am just fatigued by the hyperbole of "Faithlife doesn't care about customers" or "Faithlife isn't listening to me"
David if you are fatigued then think about the customers over the years who are fatigued by all the negative response from fellow users who tell them as customers they shouldn't express their dissatisfaction. Its no wonder they feel no one is listening. Everyone is free to express their views, needs and concerns.
No one has a right to tear down a fellow user because they disagree with them.
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I for one am absolutely delighted with the paragraph version- but I also understand the desire to have it in verse format- FL just needs to supply both- why they don't- I don't know.
Oh- he's on third [:O]
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
The problem is Dav that nothing was broken and overnight without thought of the consequences or regards to the needs of all users FL reacted to the advice of a couple of people who wanted paragraph format.
These unique features of the NASB95 format, as described by Alex above are what set this translation's format apart from the rest of the translations format's. Back in the day we purchased the NASB library package for both the translation and the format of the translation. FL's actions and fixes so far show they don't get why they have some very upset customers on their hands.
Real people paid for the format that the NASB95 used to display. The fix is nowhere near what the original format offered. I think they have a right to voice their unhappiness with FL.
DOC,
Thank you for so clearly articulating the concerns of many of us. The information you present reflects logical conclusions based on information available to date (actions and several brief statements from Faithlife).
The NASB’s accuracy is of course important but its unique verse format with its distinctive features is something no other Bible translation is able to offer. It was this format which originally caused me to chose the NASB as my preferred Bible from a small group of other well respected translations.
Faithlife’s insistence on trying to resolve this issue through tweaks to a visual filter which are bound to disappoint have been puzzling and seem to support your conclusion that they either do not realize or have not taken the time to consider why many of us chose the verse formatted NASB in the first place and why we consider it to be such a special resource.
Based on Faithlife’s preference for standardization, I suspect any further changes to the existing visual filter will be limited to those which can also be applied to the visual filter of other Bibles. This will cause several unique characteristics of the NASB verse format to be omitted such its distinct verse numbering system (all verse numbers unbolded except for those which begin a paragraph). Furthermore, this will do nothing to restore the other program functions that were lost which I’ve mentioned in previous posts.
Solution: Faithlife, please provide anyone who owns an NASB with two separate NASB resources at no additional charge (one default verse formatted and one default paragraph formatted).
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Bobby Terhune said:
..., and I think that the "unique" features you speak of are really of minor importance.
Bobby,
If I’m understanding you correctly in the comment above, you are simply stating that for your own personal needs the unique features of the publisher’s verse format are not that important. If that is correct then I totally respect your opinion and preference.
However, for myself and apparently many others who have posted to this thread, these unique features are a very big deal. The translation quality is obviously important but so is the format. When I was originally deciding on a preferred Bible, I carefully considered several of the more literal highly regarded translations (each of them having their strong points), but I decided on the NASB precisely because of the unique features found within the publisher’s verse format.
Bobby Terhune said:Reading in context is always better.
I read in context just fine with the publisher’s original verse format. For me personally, the verse format (not the visual filter but the publisher’s verse format) perfectly reflects all levels of context (verse, paragraph, pericope, and chapter).
Bobby Terhune said:But each to his own
On that we can definitely agree! [:)]
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Personally, I would be glad to pay for the NASB95 resource in the original format.
Is there any chance that might be offered?
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I would pay for the former format too. I'm disappointed the version I already paid for is no longer in its original format. But if paying for a copy will stop the argument, I'd do it. It would be interesting to see how many of each they sell. :-)
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Mike Henry Sr. said:
I would pay for the former format too. I'm disappointed the version I already paid for is no longer in its original format. But if paying for a copy will stop the argument, I'd do it. It would be interesting to see how many of each they sell. :-)
I for one will not pay for another version, I would like the version I did pay for.
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Matt Hamrick said:
I for one will not pay for another version, I would like the version I did pay for.
i agree. I don't believe I should have to pay a second time for this resource to get back what I had already paid for in the first place.
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Thomas Sterbens said:
I would be glad to pay for the NASB95 resource in the original format.
That shouldn't be an issue. Either they will make it available (for free) to those who own the NASB or not. This isn't a money grab by FL or the publishers.
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Thomas Sterbens said:
I would be glad to pay for the NASB95 resource in the original format.
That shouldn't be an issue. Either they will make it available (for free) to those who own the NASB or not. This isn't a money grab by FL or the publishers.
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How do we do this? And how do I change the copy bible verses format to have line-alignment so that the verse is outstanding from the word-wrap like it was before?
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Hi Nathan - and welcome to the forums
Nathan Ownbey said:How do we do this?
Specifically what is it you are trying to do? There are a lot of things discussed on this thread.
If you are referring to having one line per verse you currently do this using the "Bible Text Only" filter available from the Resource menu. As discussed earlier in this thread this isn't equivalent to the original format but it is what we have at the moment
Nathan Ownbey said:And how do I change the copy bible verses format to have line-alignment so that the verse is outstanding from the word-wrap like it was before?
I don't know how it appeared before but using the "One verse per line" layout gives you something like this
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