How about the "do you want to save this search? dialogue box?

Robert Pavich

I have so many new syntax searches, new visual filters and new everything built up I cannot image how a newbie will cope with it.

Usually the default behavior is "do you want to save what you just did?" on new files and new things....

is this something that could be incorporated in V4?

 

 

Melissa Snyder

Hi Robert,

Having auto save for documents saves the user from getting the prompts to Name, Leave, or Delete the document, as in LDLS 3, which can be annoying.  Renaming a new document right away will be part of the learning curve with Logos 4, but I don't think it will be difficult to learn, and we will have tutorial videos available. The new documents a user does not want to keep can be deleted from the File | Open list.  

I would be interested in additional feedback on this, though.

Thanks,

Melissa

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11261#Comment_11261

As the old saying goes, "its six of one, a half-dozen of the other."

Each method requires someone to change their natural work habit so no system will eliminate the need to manage the files. It is just a matter of adapting and adjusting.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11270#Comment_11270

Melissa,

I understand, however how about the default then be to NOT save the search UNLESS it's named before hand?

TCBlack

Agreed. 

I first thought it was nice that Logos saved it for you, but it's going to become ridiculous soon.

(Hey, why do I have 5000 saved searches?)

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11279#Comment_11279

TCB,
and they are ALL NAMED "new syntax search" [:O]

Melissa Snyder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11279#Comment_11279

tcblack said:

Agreed. 

I first thought it was nice that Logos saved it for you, but it's going to become ridiculous soon.

(Hey, why do I have 5000 saved searches?)

That's a lot of searches!  There is an option to delete searches from the history list--when you hover over a search the X on the right becomes visible. A 'clear search history' option has been suggested, though.

Thanks, Melissa

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11296#Comment_11296

I have major reservations about the auto-save everything.  Especially since it's different from any other app I use.  I find I'm doing a lot of deletion-type maintenance which I think I find more annoying than being asked if I want to save.  Plus it's very easy to mess up something accidentally.  Some things like notes should be like autosave, but I don't think everything should.  Especially when it's not apparent that it's being saved in the first place.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11261#Comment_11261

Melissa Snyder said:

Hi Robert,

Having auto save for documents saves the user from getting the prompts to Name, Leave, or Delete the document, as in LDLS 3, which can be annoying.  Renaming a new document right away will be part of the learning curve with Logos 4, but I don't think it will be difficult to learn, and we will have tutorial videos available. The new documents a user does not want to keep can be deleted from the File | Open list.  

I would be interested in additional feedback on this, though.

Thanks,

Melissa

It sounds like a good idea.  Ever since we all first learnt about a computer we have been taught save your documents every 10 minutes... for those in the days before Word and Excel brought in auto-save this was particular drummed into us... but even with auto-save in Word and Excel we still must initally save the document - the user is still in control of the process... hence for a lot of us let going of this process and leaving it totally up to the computer is not natural - the opposite has been ingrained into us - don't trust the computer - take control of it.

For the person starting learning the computer today they will like the fact the computer does this for them... and this sort of person is going to be one of the people  Logos is trying to reach with L4.

That said I think the document managment interface in 4 does not seem to support a user having a large amount of documents autosaved... there does not seem to be anyway to categorize them into folders the simple one folder holds them all approach may work for the entry level user but beyond that it does not work.... we are yet to get things like verse lists and sentence diagrams back....the list of documents showing up is only going to grow.

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11359#Comment_11359

AndrewMckenzie said:

 

For the person starting learning the computer today they will like the fact the computer does this for them... and this sort of person is going to be one of the people  Logos is trying to reach with L4.

That said I think the document managment interface in 4 does not seem to support a user having a large amount of documents autosaved... there does not seem to be anyway to categorize them into folders the simple one folder holds them all approach may work for the entry level user but beyond that it does not work.... we are yet to get things like verse lists and sentence diagrams back....the list of documents showing up is only going to grow.

I think Andrew makes a convincing case for valuing organization over an automatic save option, when in some cases auto save would be great and in other cases, the user could be reminded to save.  I have an auto save function on a Journaling program I use,  but it only saves the same thing every time.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11261#Comment_11261

Melissa Snyder said:

Having auto save for documents saves the user from getting the prompts to Name, Leave, or Delete the document, as in LDLS 3, which can be annoying.  Renaming a new document right away will be part of the learning curve with Logos 4, but I don't think it will be difficult to learn, and we will have tutorial videos available. The new documents a user does not want to keep can be deleted from the File | Open list.

I was thoroughly confused about the Syntax search and ending up with duplicate names, even when I changed the default name. Finally thought about (thru experience of v3) the File menu and a right click Delete to restore order!  In Syntax Search there is a Query | Recent list and that has an X to delete. It does not have the same effect as File | Open's Delete, but I wish there was more consistency eg. Have the X for Delete, and the Open option that appears with Delete is redundant, as we would naturally click to open!

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With duplicate names, displaying a time stamp would provide a strong hint about its creation!

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/11482#Comment_11482

Dave Hooton said:

the Open option that appears with Delete is redundant, as we would naturally click to open!

I think that the could remove this from quite a few context menus due to redundancy.