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I need to shape a search related to a clause in John 20:21: ἀπέσταλκέν με ὁ πατήρ, κἀγὼ ⸀πέμπω ὑμᾶς. Jesus is first the object of the verb, then Jesus becomes the subject of the verb. I'm interested in finding other places where Jesus is first the object then the subject of the same verbal idea. It would be easy to look for 3rd person verbs then first person verb sharing the same lemma in some proximity, but here two different lemmas are used for the same LN domain (and same sense). How would some of you search gurus go about exploring this?
Thanks for the help.
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Clint Cozier said:
It would be easy to look for 3rd person verbs then first person verb sharing the same lemma in some proximity, but here two different lemmas are used for the same LN domain (and same sense).
Syntax Search has LN agreement rules along with Cascadia having clause structure for proximity:
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That gets me what I was looking for, thank you. One point of clarification: why can't i specify the second verb associated with clause3? It would be helpful to have both verbs highlighted in the search (rather than the clauses), but any attempt to add a verb under clause3 (I've tried Matching Skip Levels both on and off) reduces the matches to zero. If the verb can be specified in clause2, I'm clueless as to why the same thing cannot be done in clause3.
Thanks so much.
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Clint Cozier said:
It would be helpful to have both verbs highlighted in the search (rather than the clauses), but any attempt to add a verb under clause3 (I've tried Matching Skip Levels both on and off) reduces the matches to zero. If the verb can be specified in clause2, I'm clueless as to why the same thing cannot be done in clause3.
+1 Puzzled [:S] since likewise unable to highlight verb function, phrase, OR word under clause 3. Adding anything to right of Clause 3 has nothing found.
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Created Bug thread for Faithlife Developers => Bug: 7.8 SR-1 Syntax Search unexpected 0 results
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Clint Cozier said:
It would be helpful to have both verbs highlighted in the search (rather than the clauses), but any attempt to add a verb under clause3 (I've tried Matching Skip Levels both on and off) reduces the matches to zero. If the verb can be specified in clause2, I'm clueless as to why the same thing cannot be done in clause3.
+1 Puzzled
since likewise unable to highlight verb function, phrase, OR word under clause 3This works and there are other possibilities:
The more you restrict the Clause, the less results you get:
- 88 as shown
- 60 if you add Verb 1p to Clause 3
- 105 if you remove the Verbs from both Clauses
- 84 if you then make Clause 2 a Head node.
- 17 if only Clause 3 is a Head node
However, I get 0 results:
- if both Clause 2 and 3 are a Head node
- if there is any Agreement in Clause 3 (the bug)
If the clause specifies the verbal attributes I think it must then contain a Head node with those attributes. The Head node is marked with an asterisk * and it would be a subordinate clause. So you get fewer results if you require Clause 2 or Clause 3 to be a Head node.
EDIT: I did not specify Singular for the Verb 3p. That done I get 57 results compared to 50 from KS4J
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:Clint Cozier said:
It would be helpful to have both verbs highlighted in the search (rather than the clauses), but any attempt to add a verb under clause3 (I've tried Matching Skip Levels both on and off) reduces the matches to zero. If the verb can be specified in clause2, I'm clueless as to why the same thing cannot be done in clause3.
+1 Puzzled
since likewise unable to highlight verb function, phrase, OR word under clause 3This works and there are other possibilities:
The more you restrict the Clause, the less results you get:
- 88 as shown
- 60 if you add Verb 1p to Clause 3
- 105 if you remove the Verbs from both Clauses
- 84 if you then make Clause 2 a Head node.
- 17 if only Clause 3 is a Head node
However, I get 0 results:
- if both Clause 2 and 3 are a Head node
- if there is any Agreement in Clause 3 (the bug)
If the clause specifies the verbal attributes I think it must then contain a Head node with those attributes. The Head node is marked with an asterisk * and it would be a subordinate clause. So you get fewer results if you require Clause 2 or Clause 3 to be a Head node.
EDIT: I did not specify Singular for the Verb 3p. That done I get 57 results compared to 50 from KS4J
I don't understand how you were able to enter values for LN Domain and Subdomain without it being entered as text in quotes.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.3.2 1TB SSD
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Beloved said:
I don't understand how you were able to enter values for LN Domain and Subdomain without it being entered as text in quotes.
Those are Agreements, and you select all the parameters.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Thanks Dave!
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.3.2 1TB SSD
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I have it setup exactly as shown and return 0 results. Why???
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.3.2 1TB SSD
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Never mind. I checked Matching skip levels for both Word values (although, I don't understand why this is necessary) and I got 88 results just as you have indicated. Thanks, anyway.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.3.2 1TB SSD
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Dave Hooton said:
105 if you remove the Verbs from both Clauses
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Noticed some of the 105 results have various sets of Louw Nida verbal agreement in the same passage.
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This is what I ended up using, a total of 41 hits with several important parallels:
If I could improve anything, it would be filtering out the verbs of speaking (which still dominate my hits). Is there a way to have multiple lemmas listed under the Lemma does not equal value in word 1? I've tried entering a list separated by commas and spaces, and neither seems to work.
Thanks everyone for your help, as far as I know this search could only have been built in Logos; no one else has the tagging to support different lemmas used for the same Sense / Domain. I learned something here.
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Clint Cozier said:
If I could improve anything, it would be filtering out the verbs of speaking (which still dominate my hits).
Specify Root not equal λεγω in both Words.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave,
I don't see a way to enter a root. On a Mac, the values under Text & Lemma are Text, Lemma and Gloss. Here is a screenshot. How would I specify Root?
Thanks!
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Clint Cozier said:
I don't see a way to enter a root. On a Mac, the values under Text & Lemma are Text, Lemma and Gloss.
That is surprising.
What version of Logos?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Mac version, 7.9 b4....which I believe is the latest beta release. Strange indeed!
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Clint Cozier said:
Mac version, 7.9 b4....which I believe is the latest beta release. Strange indeed!
You might raise a bug report in the Desktop Beta forum.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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